Interior Discussion about interior restoration, repairs, and modifications.

hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 14, 2013 | 01:26 PM
  #1  
Bobby Goff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
From: O'Fallon, MO
Car: 86 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: TH 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

it looks like i need a relay switch but i cannot figure out where the rest of the wires go... any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
Attached Thumbnails hatch power pull down... what am i missing?-imag0219.jpg  
Reply
Old May 15, 2013 | 02:36 PM
  #2  
Bobby Goff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
From: O'Fallon, MO
Car: 86 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: TH 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

bump... please it would help greatly
Reply
Old May 15, 2013 | 02:41 PM
  #3  
Seanphelps321's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
From: Florida
Car: 1992 Firebird
Engine: 3.1L(swapping in 385)
Transmission: Looking for T56
Axle/Gears: Looking for 3.73 posi
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

I can't really tell what I'm looking at, but I just ordered a new pull down Monday as mine was missing essential parts. I should get it soon. If it helps I'll take some pictures and post them on this thread if you don't get an answer.
Reply
Old May 15, 2013 | 02:44 PM
  #4  
Bobby Goff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
From: O'Fallon, MO
Car: 86 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: TH 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Originally Posted by Seanphelps321
I can't really tell what I'm looking at, but I just ordered a new pull down Monday as mine was missing essential parts. I should get it soon. If it helps I'll take some pictures and post them on this thread if you don't get an answer.
that would be great thank you
Reply
Old May 16, 2013 | 07:52 PM
  #5  
Seanphelps321's Avatar
Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 214
Likes: 0
From: Florida
Car: 1992 Firebird
Engine: 3.1L(swapping in 385)
Transmission: Looking for T56
Axle/Gears: Looking for 3.73 posi
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

I just put in my hatch pull down. I can't really relate what I see in your pictures but maybe these pictures will help.


I had some wires branch in two directions. One bunch into a harness that plugged into the plastic housing of the pull down and another couple leading to my light. The bottom right was a relay on the same set of wires that I replaced. I don't know what it was to though.


Those wires in the middle of my pull down were just part of the whole thing by itself. They ran from the plastic housing into the locking mechanism if I remember correctly.


The harness on the right plugged into the spot right above the silver motor. The one on the left was the one that went to my light. The single black wire behind all of that was just the ground.


You can see better where they split here. You can also see the relay. I'm not sure what that as for because my motor ran even with it out.

This is for a 1992 firebird. They aren't all the same but hopefully this might help.
Reply
Old May 16, 2013 | 08:47 PM
  #6  
Bobby Goff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
From: O'Fallon, MO
Car: 86 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: TH 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

ya, unfortunately the 92's are much different from what i understand. thank you though very much.
Reply
Old May 16, 2013 | 09:29 PM
  #7  
lonsal's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 5,964
Likes: 37
From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Originally Posted by Bobby Goff
ya, unfortunately the 92's are much different from what i understand. thank you though very much.
What the OP needs is a striker-sensing switch. It contains all the wiring for the 1986-87 or 88-91 pull-down unit. In his case the blue wire would plug into the large white connector on the red/white stripe wire. Connect the ground to the body ground location below the pull-down unit's frame, then plug the white 4-wire plug into the reversing switch and attach the switch portion to the striker with a hex-head screw. Plug in a hatch pull-down relay into the socket. I normally stock both the 87-88 and 88-91 versions, but I am out of stock at the moment.

http://www.top-downsolutions.com/hat...h-pull-down-un

Lon
Reply
Old May 16, 2013 | 09:47 PM
  #8  
Bobby Goff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
From: O'Fallon, MO
Car: 86 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: TH 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Originally Posted by lonsal
What the OP needs is a striker-sensing switch. It contains all the wiring for the 1986-87 or 88-91 pull-down unit. In his case the blue wire would plug into the large white connector on the red/white stripe wire. Connect the ground to the body ground location below the pull-down unit's frame, then plug the white 4-wire plug into the reversing switch and attach the switch portion to the striker with a hex-head screw. Plug in a hatch pull-down relay into the socket. I normally stock both the 87-88 and 88-91 versions, but I am out of stock at the moment.

http://www.top-downsolutions.com/hat...h-pull-down-un

Lon
^ now thats who i was praying would chime in... from what i read you are the absolute guru on the power hatches for these cars... from what i see of that sensing switch i actually have some of that harness, think you could give me a couple good links showing and describing what it should look like in an 86?... thank you btw man!... and i was already eyeballing the relay switch from top-down i'd love to support TGO members businesses... and question, what does that relay switch do and why does the one member above not have one and it still work?
Reply
Old May 16, 2013 | 09:55 PM
  #9  
lonsal's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 5,964
Likes: 37
From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Originally Posted by Bobby Goff
^ now thats who i was praying would chime in... from what i read you are the absolute guru on the power hatches for these cars... from what i see of that sensing switch i actually have some of that harness, think you could give me a couple good links showing and describing what it should look like in an 86?... thank you btw man!... and i was already eyeballing the relay switch from top-down i'd love to support TGO members businesses... and question, what does that relay switch do and why does the one member above not have one and it still work?
The posts of a 91.5-92 pull-down unit are of no help for your application. They pull-down units are COMPLETLY different. You can use a 1988-91 version also by cutting off the small black connector on the blue wire and swapping it for the larger white connector yours needs. They are otherwise identical. I'll dig around and see if I can find any striker-sensing switches I can refurbish and put in stock. I've been too busy lately to visit the pick-a-part yards for old switches to refurbish.

Also click on the picture in the link I provided for a larger picture of the switch and wiring.

Lon
Reply
Old May 16, 2013 | 10:14 PM
  #10  
Bobby Goff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
From: O'Fallon, MO
Car: 86 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: TH 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Originally Posted by lonsal
The posts of a 91.5-92 pull-down unit are of no help for your application. They pull-down units are COMPLETLY different. You can use a 1988-91 version also by cutting off the small black connector on the blue wire and swapping it for the larger white connector yours needs. They are otherwise identical. I'll dig around and see if I can find any striker-sensing switches I can refurbish and put in stock. I've been too busy lately to visit the pick-a-part yards for old switches to refurbish.

Also click on the picture in the link I provided for a larger picture of the switch and wiring.

Lon
ya, i had seen a post of yours about them being different (thats how i know that).. i had seen the picture associated with the link, so does that connect back behind my latch between it and the body?.. i have a set of wires running up there.
Reply
Old May 17, 2013 | 11:35 PM
  #11  
lonsal's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 5,964
Likes: 37
From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Originally Posted by Bobby Goff
ya, i had seen a post of yours about them being different (thats how i know that).. i had seen the picture associated with the link, so does that connect back behind my latch between it and the body?.. i have a set of wires running up there.
I spent this morning refurbishing several striker-sensing switches and put 5 into stock. Two 86-87 and three of the 88-91 style.

Lon
Reply
Old May 20, 2013 | 08:04 PM
  #12  
Viking's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 206
Likes: 14
From: Budd Lake NJ, USA
Car: / 89 IROC /
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

hi guys, my pull down unit is stuck in the down position even though the hatch is open. This has happned to me several times in years past, but I forgot how I tricked it into coming back up again. Anyone?
Reply
Old May 20, 2013 | 10:41 PM
  #13  
Bobby Goff's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 81
Likes: 0
From: O'Fallon, MO
Car: 86 Camaro Z28
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: TH 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

i think you just trip the switch where it latches and it should cycle back up.
Reply
Old May 20, 2013 | 11:01 PM
  #14  
lonsal's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Dec 1999
Posts: 5,964
Likes: 37
From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Originally Posted by Bobby Goff
i think you just trip the switch where it latches and it should cycle back up.
Agreed. Your striker-sensing switch is either wearing out or has some corrosion. Look at the switch and spray it with WD40, then cycle the switch several times. This should free up the corrosion and the pull-down unit will cycle up. If you can't get it to work, I have some in stock now.

Lon Salgren
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 08:08 AM
  #15  
IMissMy86TA's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 2,166
Likes: 14
From: Dallas
Car: 1991 Trans Am Vert
Engine: 5.0 TPI
Transmission: T-5 baby
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

thanks for the great pics...as people always cant find the striker switch if things get screwed up and the units in the down position with it unlatched (lost power etc) now we can point them to this pic and even circle it!
gawsh that would have helped me 2 years ago.
Reply
Old May 21, 2013 | 09:35 AM
  #16  
Viking's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 206
Likes: 14
From: Budd Lake NJ, USA
Car: / 89 IROC /
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Re: hatch power pull down... what am i missing?

Lonsal, you are 100% correct, sprayed it w WD40 and let it sit overnight. When I came out in the AM it worked.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Vintageracer
Camaros for Sale
12
Jan 10, 2020 05:33 PM
AmorgetRS
Convertibles
8
Aug 31, 2015 11:55 AM
madsv1000
Interior Parts for Sale
1
Aug 20, 2015 06:45 AM
86White_T/A305
LTX and LSX
0
Aug 17, 2015 12:16 AM
stalkier
Electronics
0
Aug 13, 2015 12:59 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:12 AM.