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Old Jan 14, 2020 | 04:59 PM
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

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I think you'll find the braided line comes in -4 and -6. Which is 1/4" and 3/8" respectively. I exited the transmission with a -6 (fittings readily available although I don't have the PN's handy) and landed on the frame rail. From there a -6 to 5/16th" tube nut adapter and steel line to the cooler.
Whether or not you go to the frame or the more conventional route, the adapter is what you're after if you want hard lines at some point.
The only thing close I can find is

Brake Line Adapter for 5/16" Tube, (Female) Inverted Flare, 1/2-20 to (Male) 1/8"


I may just run all braided

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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

https://www.summitracing.com/int/sea...=an%20adapters

There are a few choices to take you from a -6AN line that you've prepped and put a suitable fitting on and one of these adapters.
Typically, I'll put a female end on the -6AN line and connect it to a -6AN male adapter. The adapter then fits on your 5/16" hard line.


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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Took the engine & tranny back out car, and after the three chunks, it's still doing the same thing... its seizing up while rotating..

I can turn the small shaft on the transmission by hand... and I tried 2 different torque converters...any suggestions.??

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Does engine turn 2 full revolutions by hand without the trans bolted up?

Sorry, I didn't read everything. What engine, heads, cam, oil pan, and other mods to the engine?
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Does engine turn 2 full revolutions by hand without the trans bolted up?

Sorry, I didn't read everything. What engine, heads, cam, oil pan, and other mods to the engine?
Yes the engine rotates as it should. Stock ls gen 3 4.8 engine

We separated the trans from the engine
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Are you sure the trans is in neutral gear?
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Are you sure the trans is in neutral gear?
Yea, we went through all the gears also. It's doing the same thing.. I don't know if it normal but when I rotate the converter back and forth the tail shaft only moves clockwise
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

With the trans removed and torque converter in place (on trans) it turns freely?

Odd problem.
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With the trans removed and torque converter in place (on trans) it turns freely?

Odd problem.
It turns and gets stuck or seized...
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Ok I was thinking it turned as long as it wasn’t connected to engine.

Sounds like Ike you need to take things apart or replace trans if that’s the case. Hard to say
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Ok I was thinking it turned as long as it wasn’t connected to engine.

Sounds like Ike you need to take things apart or replace trans if that’s the case. Hard to say
Yea, not good news
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Does anyone know what size bellhousing torx bit I need to get the bellhousing off? We can see metal peices in the pump shaft.. I'm trying to take this thing off
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I believe it's T50. Maybe T55.
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I believe it's T50. Maybe T55.
I found it was T50 , but they say not to use a regular T50, you suppose to use some kinda Torque plus T50 . Is this correct??

Also, do I have to take the bellhousing off to remove the pump?
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Make sure whether it is Torx or Torx Plus. I can't tell in that photo. Look it up in Wiki for an explanation.

Autozone has a nice bit set for 1/4 and 3/8 drive ratchets. It's the only (affordable) torx and torx plus sets I've had that didn't twist up and fail.
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I found it was T50 , but they say not to use a regular T50, you suppose to use some kinda Torque plus T50 . Is this correct??
haha, you were thinking same thing as me.
Torx Plus is used with higher tightening torques, wouldn't surprise me at all if it was torx plus.
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Those bastards are tight. I broke a bit a while back trying to pull off a bellhousing. I’m betting it’s the torqueplus or whatever.
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

We got the pump off without taking bellhousing off.. and the pump is trashed.. I received it like this.

My father said he would just replace the pump and go with it.. He did some other test with the gears and things without tearing transmission down and feel comfortable just replacing pump. No signs of wear on drum, and no metal in oil pan..

He was concerned about the color of the drum but we saw no grinding of metal or signs of wear



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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

It’s definitely worth a shot but i wouldn’t be shocked if that trans ends up needing rebuilt/replaced. Might just work out though
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It’s definitely worth a shot but i wouldn’t be shocked if that trans ends up needing rebuilt/replaced. Might just work out though
Yea, I wouldn't neither.. Ima roll the dice probably
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So I replaced the transmission pump and put everything back together... torque converter spins now..

Should the transmission tail output shaft spin when the torque converter is seated in transmission when I spin the torque converter around?

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The input shaft does not turn by hand but I can turn it with a pair of pliers in both directions.

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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

I would think you’d need real engine speed to turn everything but I’m not up on transmissions.
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I don't know anything about auto transmissions but it seems that maybe the output shaft cannot rotate unless the clutch packs are engaged by the hydraulics.

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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

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So I replaced the transmission pump and put everything back together... torque converter spins now..

Should the transmission tail output shaft spin when the torque converter is seated in transmission when I spin the torque converter around?

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The input shaft does not turn by hand but I can turn it with a pair of pliers in both directions.
On an automatic, the output shaft will only turn if there is hydraulic pressure in the clutch pack.
Just spinning the torque converter by hand on the bench won't do it.

This is one of MANY things that I don't like about rebuilding automatics: You don't know if something is wrong until it's already installed in the car.
Believe me, I've found this out the hard way before.
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

As pointed out above, there has to hydraulic pressure so as to engage the clutches/bands. Bench builders will use compressed air to test for proper sealing of the various hydraulic circuits. This ensures reliability with the final assembled product. Back in my tech school college days we had a transmission dyno for spinning up our rebuilt transmissions.
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

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As pointed out above, there has to hydraulic pressure so as to engage the clutches/bands. Bench builders will use compressed air to test for proper sealing of the various hydraulic circuits. This ensures reliability with the final assembled product. Back in my tech school college days we had a transmission dyno for spinning up our rebuilt transmissions.
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On an automatic, the output shaft will only turn if there is hydraulic pressure in the clutch pack.
Just spinning the torque converter by hand on the bench won't do it.

This is one of MANY things that I don't like about rebuilding automatics: You don't know if something is wrong until it's already installed in the car.
Believe me, I've found this out the hard way before.
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I don't know anything about auto transmissions but it seems that maybe the output shaft cannot rotate unless the clutch packs are engaged by the hydraulics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_y1S8C0Hmc
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I would think you’d need real engine speed to turn everything but I’m not up on transmissions.
Ok, thanks everyone for the input... I guess we'll see at showtime....
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Installed the braided transmission lines, header wrap,installed new trans pump, bolted torque converter to flywheel, and we put her back in
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Working on the trans crossmember
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I'm sorry if you mentioned this before, but what kind of torque arm mounting are you going to use?
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I'm sorry if you mentioned this before, but what kind of torque arm mounting are you going to use?
It's cool. The standard way with trans crossmember and torque arm mount I'm trying to find a fbody tail to mount torque arm too
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

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I like the trans lines fittings. Same as mine. The adapter to the threads in the trans case makes it confusing when trying to gather parts though. The case threads are unique and some miss that.
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I like the trans lines fittings. Same as mine. The adapter to the threads in the trans case makes it confusing when trying to gather parts though. The case threads are unique and some miss that.
Yea it looks better to me. Yea gathering parts can be confusing... I think the ones that screw into the transfer case are 1/4 nms threads or something like that
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Just a little update...

Only can get to the car on weekends but small progress is better than no progress I guess...

Found a v6 00 fbody camaro in the junkyard and pulled the tailshaft out.. this takes care of my torque arm mount problem...

The trans mount hole is off so I'll just have to deal with that...

Also started putting the front end back together...





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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

So the v6 tailhousing fit?

You may not have to but I had had take the top part of the trans crossmember off and use the bottom only. It had the trans too high.
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So the v6 tailhousing fit?

You may not have to but I had had take the top part of the trans crossmember off and use the bottom only. It had the trans too high.
Yea v6 tailhousing is a direct fit.. I did some research before I went got it and sure enough..

Yea I remember you talking about that.. I will double check but it seems not to be hitting the tunnel.. but I'll double check
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Does anyone know what the name of this rubber

gasket is that slips on the brake dust shield?? I'm trying to locate and buy this piece
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I don't think those are really that important; lots of cars never had them.

At any rate, I tried finding them, with no luck.

For the record, I got rid of those when I did the LS1 brake upgrade on my car, and I drove it like that for years with no problems.
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Are these them?


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Getting there
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What rotor is that?
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What rotor is that?
https://www.1aauto.com/chevy-gmc-bui...t/i/1apbs00613
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Fellow swappers..

How did you guys run your fuel lines??

I will go quick connect fitting to -6an fittings on the rail stainless steel braided lines all the way to the sending unit metal lines with a fuel filter in between..

When I get to the hard lines for the fuel sender.. I was thinking about making a flare there like someone her stated.. I know the 3/8 hard line would accept -6an but what about the 5/16 accepting -6an.. According to the chart it should be a -6an fitting for 5/16... I've never seen a -5an fitting...
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Did you keep your stock tank or did you swap in the 99-02 plastic tank?
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What tank are you running again?

I'm using the factory V6 lines under the car.

I'm going to use hard nylon fuel lines from the frame to the engine, and from the tank to the fuel filter (I'm using a Corvette fuel filter.).
I think the nylon lines will provide a safe, clean, factory look (I don't like the way that AN lines look; sue me.). I'm using some Dorman fittings to adapt to the factory flare fittings, and some plastic push-lock fittings to connect to the fuel rail and filter.
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Originally Posted by cmiller2014
Did you keep your stock tank or did you swap in the 99-02 plastic tank?
Stock tank
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 04:34 PM
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Originally Posted by cmiller2014
Did you keep your stock tank or did you swap in the 99-02 plastic tank?
Originally Posted by dixiebandit69
What tank are you running again?

I'm using the factory V6 lines under the car.

I'm going to use hard nylon fuel lines from the frame to the engine, and from the tank to the fuel filter (I'm using a Corvette fuel filter.).
I think the nylon lines will provide a safe, clean, factory look (I don't like the way that AN lines look; sue me.). I'm using some Dorman fittings to adapt to the factory flare fittings, and some plastic push-lock fittings to connect to the fuel rail and filter.
I'm running the stock tank.

My factory hard fuel lines under the car has a lil rust on it.. I dont want to take a chance

Oh ok kool. Just asking I wouldn't be able to just hose clamp to the hard fuel sending lines would I?
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 07:28 PM
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

I guess you could; I've used hose clamps on higher PSI systems with success, but I don't think it's the best way to do things.

If your factory lines only have "a lil rust*," and aren't leaking, I'd try running with them.

Worst case scenario: It starts up in your garage and you find a leak.
Then you have to replace the line, which you were about to do anyway.

*Exactly how much is "a lil rust?"
I'm not giving you sh*t, I'm from Texas, and I use "lil" all the time.
Is it just surface rust, or did the car come from some place where they salt the roads?
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 09:26 PM
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Originally Posted by dixiebandit69
I guess you could; I've used hose clamps on higher PSI systems with success, but I don't think it's the best way to do things.

If your factory lines only have "a lil rust*," and aren't leaking, I'd try running with them.

Worst case scenario: It starts up in your garage and you find a leak.
Then you have to replace the line, which you were about to do anyway.

*Exactly how much is "a lil rust?"
I'm not giving you sh*t, I'm from Texas, and I use "lil" all the time.
Is it just surface rust, or did the car come from some place where they salt the roads?
Cars been sitting outside central Louisiana for like 12 years.. not as bad as one would think though...it may be surface rust... I just wanted to do this one time
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Old Mar 21, 2020 | 10:27 PM
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

I'd also encourage you to run stock lines. Even if they have a little surface rust it's still your best bet. At the end of the day, braided steel line is still rubber house wrapped in shiny stuff. I used my stock line up to engine bay and ran braided line off an adapter. You can unscrew the hose in the engine bay and use Russel part number 644123. Super easy that way to run a short braided line from stock hose to LS fuel rail without having to cut anything.
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Old Apr 4, 2020 | 04:42 PM
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Re: 1986 Camaro LS Swap build

Is the brake line too close to the header? Or would it be fine?
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