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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:32 PM
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315s or 335s?

Are 335s just plain...TOO BIG?

Keep in mind, while my GTA has decent power, it isn't a "race car"...YET! It lives on the street, not the track.

Basically, should I go for the 335s or just stick with the 315s?

BTW...275s up front & MIGHT go for 285s next, if they'll fit. My 275s are ALMOST touching the tie rod ends as it is!
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:54 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

you just like big tires man, so id say go ***** out.
what wheels and offsets are you running by the way to get that massive rubber to fit?
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:57 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

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what wheels and offsets are you running by the way to get that massive rubber to fit?
My 17" Snypers. Backspacing (this is AMERICA, I don't do that Euro-offset stuff ) TBD.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:30 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

See, I usually say backspace, but I always get b!tched at when people don't understand what I mean.
So let me rephrase, what BACKSPACING are you using
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:54 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

17"x.....

11", 5.5" backspacing
or
12", 6.5" backspacing

Depending how much work I need to do to the inner fenderwell to fit.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

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17"x.....

11", 5.5" backspacing
or
12", 6.5" backspacing

Depending how much work I need to do to the inner fenderwell to fit.
those dimensions will put the wheel over an inch outside the wheel well, unless thats the idea. In that case, no fenderwell mods needed!

for a 335, you need 8.5" of back spacing to have the wheel sit in the wheel well on a 12" rim and a 3rd gen width rear, and 7.5 on an 11" rim. ( Keep in mind a 12" rim actually measures about 13" in overall width ) Lots of work needed to run a 12" rim and a 335 tucked in the wheel well. I had to do a mini-tub, coil-overs, and one-off offset control arms to get a 12" rim and a 335 to fit my car. The huge tire looks great, bit it is a LOT of work to do it right.

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:05 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

price should be a factor, 315's are more popular and cheaper then 335's i run 305's but 19's and $300 a tire isn't cheap
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:08 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

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price should be a factor, 315's are more popular and cheaper then 335's i run 305's but 19's and $300 a tire isn't cheap
that is very true, my rear tires were almost 400 bux each
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:36 PM
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those dimensions will put the wheel over an inch outside the wheel well, unless thats the idea. In that case, no fenderwell mods needed!

for a 335, you need 8.5" of back spacing to have the wheel sit in the wheel well on a 12" rim and a 3rd gen width rear, and 7.5 on an 11" rim. Lots of work needed to run a 12" rim and a 335 tucked in the wheel well. I had to do a mini-tub, coil-overs, and one-off offset control arms to get a 12" rim and a 335 to fit my car. The huge tire looks great, bit it is a LOT of work to do it right.
Ummm...No.....They wouldn't be sticking out.

My 285s on the 9", 4.5" bs, are flush, not sticking out. Add 2" of bs and that changes nothing about them sticking out any.

Adding 2" to the bs wouldn't sit them out any further, only inwards deeper. I'm at 4.5" right now and getting them widened by Weldcraft (when the wallet allows).

I think YOUR definition of tucked and MY definition of tucked, don't compare. I'm fine with flush with the very most outer point. Not tucked so far, that it goes up IN TO the wheel well.

Tape measure shows me, on my car, 13.5", inner panel to the outermost point. Section width on the 335 shows to be.....drum roll please......13.5"! Might be a SLIGHT sidewall bulge sticking out, with 335s, but I'm OK with that. I'm even fine with 1/2" or so.

Then I could get a 4th gen rear later & those IMSA-style rear quarters.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

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Ummm...No.....They wouldn't be sticking out.

My 285s on the 9", 4.5" bs, are flush, not sticking out. Add 2" of bs and that changes nothing about them sticking out any.

Adding 2" to the bs wouldn't sit them out any further, only inwards deeper. I'm at 4.5" right now and getting them widened by Weldcraft (when the wallet allows).

I think YOUR definition of tucked and MY definition of tucked, don't compare. I'm fine with flush with the very most outer point. Not tucked so far, that it goes up IN TO the wheel well.

Tape measure shows me, on my car, 13.5", inner panel to the outermost point. Section width on the 335 shows to be.....drum roll please......13.5"! Might be a SLIGHT sidewall bulge sticking out, with 335s, but I'm OK with that. I'm even fine with 1/2" or so.

Then I could get a 4th gen rear later & those IMSA-style rear quarters.
ummm...yes... with 6.5" of bs a 12" will stick out, and if you add 2" to the back side of your 9" wheels, you get a 11" rim with 6.5" of bs, you stated you wanted 5.5".
wider quarters would help for some massive rubber, i would probably fit a 355 on a 14" rim.

adding 2" to the inside of the 9" rim would give you 11, and 17x11's are quite common and "fit" with just some hammering. The tire sits flush with the outer fender. add another inch to that, and your into a world of hurts, you into or touching the coil spring, you into the control arm, and into the frame. Them you need to allow for some movement side to side, i have 3/4" clearance from the inside of my tire to my inside fender well and that's just enough, if i loose a 1/4", i will start to rub a bit when the suspension is working. Its a really tight fit, dont think you will fit a 12" rim in there with just some hammering.

its kind of a crummy old pic, but it shows where my tire sits, its about 3/8" in from the outside of the fender
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the outside fo the tire is sitting right where it was when the rims were still 18x8 with 4.5" of bs.

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 10:22 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

Wow...Your tire sticks out! (to MY definition)

Mine is almost FLUSH with the top edge. Your pic looks deeper than just 3/8" in. Looks like probably a full inch past yours looks like. Which is what I love.

More bs & it won't change ANYTHING about how far out they fit. Only how far inwards a wheels is.

The specs call for a 11"-13" rim on the 335, so 12" is ideal. 14" would be out of manufacturer specs.....

The specs call for a 10"-12" for the 315.

I'm considering getting the wheels widened to 12" regardless, so that I can go bigger later, if I go if the 315.

I'm gonna pull a wheel off, them put a spare one on (I have 6 Snypers) wheel on without a tire, and measure exactly what I have with NO inner well mod. Hopefully I'll do that this Sunday. This way I can get the wheels widened & new tires, without ever having to take a wheel off before the change happens.

I have poly bushing tubular LCAs to go on & and adjustable UMI rod ended Panhard Bar, so there will be no side-to-side deflection. I might sell my tubular LCAs& get the offset tubular ones from UMI too, for that other 3/8" clearance they'll give me.

I want them, but my wallet says NO, right now.
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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 07:41 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

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Wow...Your tire sticks out! (to MY definition)

Mine is almost FLUSH with the top edge. Your pic looks deeper than just 3/8" in. Looks like probably a full inch past yours looks like. Which is what I love.

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mine stick out? or am i missing sarcasm? and it is only 3/8", the pic may be at a slight angle, i though it was straight on.

as for side to side deflection, i have a UMI rod ended panhard, and poly/rod ended offset control arms, and i still have side to side movement, its going to happen irregardless of what you do, its just the way the panhard bar works. I think though, it might have more to do with the body roll when turning, causing things to rub and not as much the actual side to side movement of the rear.

6 rims huh? i guess its good to have spares, i could use a real spare, but at 500 bux a pop, ill have to make due without for a good long while.
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I'm gonna pull a wheel off, them put a spare one on (I have 6 Snypers) wheel on without a tire, and measure exactly what I have with NO inner well mod. Hopefully I'll do that this Sunday. This way I can get the wheels widened & new tires, without ever having to take a wheel off before the change happens.

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thats a good idea! and that way you can send the 2 spares to be widened and still be able to drive the car.

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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 07:48 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

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mine stick out? or am i missing sarcasm? and it is only 3/8", the pic may be at a slight angle, i though it was straight on.

as for side to side deflection, i have a UMI rod ended panhard and i still have side to side movement, its going to happen irregardless of what you do, its just the way the panhard bar works. I think though, it might have more to do with the body roll when turning, causing things to rub and not as much the actual side to side movement of the rear.

6 rims huh? i guess its good to have spares, i could use a real spare, but at 500 bux a pop, ill have to make due without for a good long while.
Not OUT, as in "past the body", but do look farther out than mine.

I'm sending 2 off to be widened, I'll be keeping one of my 9" as a spare, & (probably) selling off the last one. I lucked across the correct 3rd gen offset ones, so I snagged them. I don't like those spacer adapters. I think rims should be built & fit CORRECTLY.

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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

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Not OUT, as in "past the body", but do look farther out than mine.

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really!!?? you must need glasses . If that is your car in the pic you posted, you tires are flush with the outside of the car, mine are in from the outside lip about 3/8". Maybe i have a better pic somewhere.....

nah, no pics, i have to grab another. From what im seeing of where you wheel sits, you should have no issues running an 11" rim with a 315, maybe with just the usual hammering in the front of the wheel well.

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Old Jan 22, 2009 | 07:57 PM
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Re: 315s or 335s?

Lemme reword that......

They look farther IN than just 3/8", MINE look farther out than yours....
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Lemme reword that......

They look farther IN than just 3/8", MINE look farther out than yours....
ahh ok,

I'll measure, but Im quite sure they are in 3/8",
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