7 years of work may be going down the drain
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7 years of work may be going down the drain
Hello all, i have a very big problem and i need advice, ill start at the beginning. 7 years ago i bought a 87 5 speed camaro with a blown up 2.8, found a v8 for head bought so headers then life got in the way but the car slowly came together over the years...
Now the car is ready for the road but heres the hitch seemly i never tltled the car in my name... i know i know but it get worse i have misplaced dam title what worse the car was a random buy from some guy could as well be dead for all i know, BMV was zero help im at a loss guys.st
I want to do this the right way but i have a last resort as it were... a vin tag and title from a 92, i do not want to do this as all but unless i find a way to do this legit ill be forced to...
I live in ohio does anyone know of anything i can do? anyway i could find to current owner with the vin#.
Thank you for any advice given.
Now the car is ready for the road but heres the hitch seemly i never tltled the car in my name... i know i know but it get worse i have misplaced dam title what worse the car was a random buy from some guy could as well be dead for all i know, BMV was zero help im at a loss guys.st
I want to do this the right way but i have a last resort as it were... a vin tag and title from a 92, i do not want to do this as all but unless i find a way to do this legit ill be forced to...
I live in ohio does anyone know of anything i can do? anyway i could find to current owner with the vin#.
Thank you for any advice given.
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
What if you paid for a car fax ? I'm not sure if they still show that information but they may.
You can't apply for a lost title ?
You can't apply for a lost title ?
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
Well as i remember from my visit to the BMV i cant apply for a lost title ownly the current registered owner can, other anway to do it is to send a letter to said owners house requesting a title, if its returned to sender becasue that person is no longer at the address it can be usedd to apply from a title, but as i dont know who i got the car from i cant very well do that, and they would tell me who the person is so yeah.
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
i dont need the title for that.
as for getting the DMV to help this says it all..
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4221600AAFrL1j
as for getting the DMV to help this says it all..
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...4221600AAFrL1j
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
I don't know how it works in Ohio, but here in VA I was able to apply for an abandoned vehicle title. They send a letter to the last titled owner informing them that they need to come and pick up the car and pay any charges due for towing, storage, and repairs. The only requirement is that it has to be on your property for more than 30 days. If the owner fails to respond within 15 days, you may then apply for a title to the car in your own name.
I bought my 88GTA with no title... and six weeks later, I was the titled owner. Cost me all of $35, and that included the titling fee.
I bought my 88GTA with no title... and six weeks later, I was the titled owner. Cost me all of $35, and that included the titling fee.
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
A trip to the Courthouse would appear to be in order.
If you talk nice to the Clerk at the window of the Clerk's office, they might provide you with the case number of an actual case where title of a car was re-issued to a towing lot or some such other "place of storage." If you review that file, you can inspect all the various documents that somebody else similarly-situated filed in such a case, and that actually worked to accomplish what they wanted.
If the Clerk gives you a dumb look when you ask for help, you can probably still figure out who is the usual instigator if you use the computer at the courthouse to look up all cases filed by "such-and-such" towing company. I guarantee there is some impound lot in your area that does this sort of thing ALL THE TIME. A canvass of cramped parking lots of commercial buildings should provide the name of local towing companies.
Towing companies often operate under a "fictitious name." That is, they are actually operating under ACME Solutions (and their cases filed under that name) even though all their trucks are marked "Achmed's Recovery." You might have to review the fictitious-name listings at the Clerk's office and/or the State Corporation Commission to figure out who is the main instigator of this sort of thing in your locale.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4505.101
If you talk nice to the Clerk at the window of the Clerk's office, they might provide you with the case number of an actual case where title of a car was re-issued to a towing lot or some such other "place of storage." If you review that file, you can inspect all the various documents that somebody else similarly-situated filed in such a case, and that actually worked to accomplish what they wanted.
If the Clerk gives you a dumb look when you ask for help, you can probably still figure out who is the usual instigator if you use the computer at the courthouse to look up all cases filed by "such-and-such" towing company. I guarantee there is some impound lot in your area that does this sort of thing ALL THE TIME. A canvass of cramped parking lots of commercial buildings should provide the name of local towing companies.
Towing companies often operate under a "fictitious name." That is, they are actually operating under ACME Solutions (and their cases filed under that name) even though all their trucks are marked "Achmed's Recovery." You might have to review the fictitious-name listings at the Clerk's office and/or the State Corporation Commission to figure out who is the main instigator of this sort of thing in your locale.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4505.101
4505.101 Certificate of title to unclaimed motor vehicle.
(A) The owner of any repair garage or place of storage in which a motor vehicle with a value of less than two thousand five hundred dollars has been left unclaimed for fifteen days or more following completion of the requested repair or the agreed term of storage may send by certified mail, return receipt requested, to the last known address of the owner a notice to remove the motor vehicle. If the motor vehicle remains unclaimed by the owner for fifteen days after the mailing of the notice, and the person on whose property the vehicle has been abandoned has received the signed receipt from the certified mail or has been notified that the delivery was not possible, the person shall obtain a certificate of title to the motor vehicle in the person’s name in the manner provided in this section.
The owner of the repair garage or place of storage that mailed the notice shall execute an affidavit that all of the requirements of this section necessary to authorize the issuance of a certificate of title for the motor vehicle have been met. The affidavit shall set forth the value of the motor vehicle when unclaimed as determined in accordance with standards fixed by the registrar of motor vehicles; the length of time that the motor vehicle has remained unclaimed; the expenses incurred with the motor vehicle; that a notice to remove the vehicle has been mailed to the titled owner, if known, by certified mail, return receipt requested; and that a search of the records of the bureau of motor vehicles has been made for outstanding liens on the motor vehicle.
No affidavit shall be executed or filed under this section until after a search of the records of the bureau of motor vehicles has been made. If the research reveals any outstanding lien on the motor vehicle, the owner of the repair garage or place of storage of the motor vehicle shall notify the mortgagee or lienholder by certified mail, return receipt requested, stating where the motor vehicle is located and the value of the vehicle. Unless the mortgagee or lienholder claims the motor vehicle within fifteen days from the mailing of the notice, the mortgagee’s mortgage or the lienholder’s lien shall be invalid.
Upon presentation by the owner of the repair garage or place of storage of the affidavit, showing compliance with all requirements of this section to the clerk of courts of the county in which the repair garage or place of storage is located, the clerk of courts shall issue a certificate of title, free and clear of all liens and encumbrances, to the owner of the place of storage.
The value of the motor vehicle, as determined in accordance with standards fixed by the registrar of motor vehicles, less expenses incurred by the owner of such repair garage or place of storage, shall be paid to the clerk of courts for deposit into the county general fund upon receipt of the certificate of title.
(B) Whoever violates this section shall be fined not more than two hundred dollars, imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.
Effective Date: 01-01-2004
(A) The owner of any repair garage or place of storage in which a motor vehicle with a value of less than two thousand five hundred dollars has been left unclaimed for fifteen days or more following completion of the requested repair or the agreed term of storage may send by certified mail, return receipt requested, to the last known address of the owner a notice to remove the motor vehicle. If the motor vehicle remains unclaimed by the owner for fifteen days after the mailing of the notice, and the person on whose property the vehicle has been abandoned has received the signed receipt from the certified mail or has been notified that the delivery was not possible, the person shall obtain a certificate of title to the motor vehicle in the person’s name in the manner provided in this section.
The owner of the repair garage or place of storage that mailed the notice shall execute an affidavit that all of the requirements of this section necessary to authorize the issuance of a certificate of title for the motor vehicle have been met. The affidavit shall set forth the value of the motor vehicle when unclaimed as determined in accordance with standards fixed by the registrar of motor vehicles; the length of time that the motor vehicle has remained unclaimed; the expenses incurred with the motor vehicle; that a notice to remove the vehicle has been mailed to the titled owner, if known, by certified mail, return receipt requested; and that a search of the records of the bureau of motor vehicles has been made for outstanding liens on the motor vehicle.
No affidavit shall be executed or filed under this section until after a search of the records of the bureau of motor vehicles has been made. If the research reveals any outstanding lien on the motor vehicle, the owner of the repair garage or place of storage of the motor vehicle shall notify the mortgagee or lienholder by certified mail, return receipt requested, stating where the motor vehicle is located and the value of the vehicle. Unless the mortgagee or lienholder claims the motor vehicle within fifteen days from the mailing of the notice, the mortgagee’s mortgage or the lienholder’s lien shall be invalid.
Upon presentation by the owner of the repair garage or place of storage of the affidavit, showing compliance with all requirements of this section to the clerk of courts of the county in which the repair garage or place of storage is located, the clerk of courts shall issue a certificate of title, free and clear of all liens and encumbrances, to the owner of the place of storage.
The value of the motor vehicle, as determined in accordance with standards fixed by the registrar of motor vehicles, less expenses incurred by the owner of such repair garage or place of storage, shall be paid to the clerk of courts for deposit into the county general fund upon receipt of the certificate of title.
(B) Whoever violates this section shall be fined not more than two hundred dollars, imprisoned not more than ninety days, or both.
Effective Date: 01-01-2004
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Digging a little more, could be a problem with the "abandoned vehicle" theory in Ohio:
http://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/BMV4202.pdf
http://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/BMV4202.pdf
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
This form looks like where you will need to start:
http://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/bmv3753.pdf
Then when the BMV sends you back a sharp stick in the eye, you'll be moving on to something like this:
http://www.lakecountyohio.gov/Portal...0title%202.pdf
Now, don't you dare not let us know how this all ends!
http://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/bmv3753.pdf
Then when the BMV sends you back a sharp stick in the eye, you'll be moving on to something like this:
http://www.lakecountyohio.gov/Portal...0title%202.pdf
Now, don't you dare not let us know how this all ends!
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
from caefax:
Bonded Title — A title is bonded when the owner has no proof of ownership during the titling process. The bond remains in effect for three years or until the vehicle is no longer registered in the state. After the period specified by the local jurisdiction to challenge a bonded title has passed, it is possible to convert the provisional title into a standard car note or title. Generally, this time period is deemed sufficient for anyone with a legitimate claim to the vehicle to come forward and take legal action to establish that claim. If the claimant is successful, the bonded title usually is declared null and void and the owner recognized by the court can proceed with registering the vehicle in his or her name.
Going to go to the BMV and talk to them about it.
Bonded Title — A title is bonded when the owner has no proof of ownership during the titling process. The bond remains in effect for three years or until the vehicle is no longer registered in the state. After the period specified by the local jurisdiction to challenge a bonded title has passed, it is possible to convert the provisional title into a standard car note or title. Generally, this time period is deemed sufficient for anyone with a legitimate claim to the vehicle to come forward and take legal action to establish that claim. If the claimant is successful, the bonded title usually is declared null and void and the owner recognized by the court can proceed with registering the vehicle in his or her name.
Going to go to the BMV and talk to them about it.
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
Bonded title in Ohio?
Good luck with that.
Consider reading Chapter 4505 of the Ohio Code to get an idea of how vehicle titling outside of the courts is handled in Ohio.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4505
If you see anything in the Ohio Revised Code, or the Ohio Administrative Code, about "bonded titles" in Ohio, let us know.
After your adventure at the BMV, take another look at the PDF documents linked in the posts above.
Good luck with that.
Consider reading Chapter 4505 of the Ohio Code to get an idea of how vehicle titling outside of the courts is handled in Ohio.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/4505
If you see anything in the Ohio Revised Code, or the Ohio Administrative Code, about "bonded titles" in Ohio, let us know.
After your adventure at the BMV, take another look at the PDF documents linked in the posts above.
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
This is why I always put a car in my name as soon as I can. I was looking at a car that a the seller had for 3 years and never put in his name NO NO NO, but at least he could still do it. I mean do you have a place you keep your paper work like I do? Look all over the car? I guess 7 years is a long time ago.
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
years ago i had a friend that bought a 1982 camaro here in nj but it had no title. he went thru some process where a company in the state of Georgia bought the car for $1 or something he got Georgia plates for a month then they title it in georgia where the title laws are less strict and sell it back with an out of state title. now we are talking about 12 years ago or so. but id look into it. im sure you can google it
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
Friday ill be running around to the dmv's in ohio and Michigan to see what i can turn up wish me luck.
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
My title experience was that I bought a car in Texas in Oct of last year and drove it home to Alabama on the 30 day temporary tag. The dealership gave me the title as I was going to register it in AL as that is where I live. On the way there,the title was stolen out of the glovebox during a food break. When I came back to Texas; as I had copies of all the paper work; I tracked down the previous owner to see about him applying for a lost title. It was a good conversation where I assured him that I would cover all costs and pay him to do it. Evidently after our call he got it into his head that I was trying to scam him and he refused to return my calls and texts. I then went online and learned that the only option I had was to get a bonded title. After jumping through some hoops, having to pay for a bond based on the value of the car, and pay all the fees and taxes, I received Texas license plates and a few weeks later in the mail, a Texas title. When I get back to Alabama,(I'm working a contract job in Dallas) I can register it under my name in Alabama with no issues.
I'd first check to find out if Ohio has some kind of Bonded title. If not, check in connecting states where you may have a friend or relative to see if they have something like it. If so, they may be able to title it and then "sell" it to you. Anyway you go it's going to cost you some money, but you should be able to get a title. Good luck!
I'd first check to find out if Ohio has some kind of Bonded title. If not, check in connecting states where you may have a friend or relative to see if they have something like it. If so, they may be able to title it and then "sell" it to you. Anyway you go it's going to cost you some money, but you should be able to get a title. Good luck!
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Re: 7 years of work may be going down the drain
Bmv was helpful this time, gave me the paper work to get a court order title so going to see how that road goes.
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