Sup guys, as you all know I am trying to get the gto bought back, still in process, should have the final answer in 2 more weeks at the most. Now for the good news, wifey says I can have a thirdgen again, WOOT!!! Some of you may think I was not really into my thirdgen and what not, but I really miss her and want another one really bad, even more then a new SS Cobalt. The new car just appeals better to Vanessa since it's new and has a warranty. Anyway, we are budgeting up to $15k for a new thirdgen, it must be hardtop, 5.7tpi, auto tranny, AC, etc. Also decided it must be from the original owner with all docs and proven super low miles, I want something really mint and not hacked up and molested, no mods, nothing, I want it just like it was when it rolled off the line. I am sick and tired of hacked up rebuilt crap, I have been f'ed over 2 times with my other thirdgens. So check out the link below to this car I really want, it's perfect and has everything I have truley ever wanted in a thirdgen, 25th's have always been my favorite to be honest. What do you guys think...?

AutoTrader.com - Cars For Sale: Car Details

That is effing sweet dude, Now did you see the car first then talk Vanessa to 15k? lol. It's no IROC, but still definitely a thumbsup.

Life's too short not to get what you want

That is one clean ride and only 13k miles SWEET!

If you do snag that one I won't have the only black one :/

Since when is yours black?

i say go old school. Easy to work on and NOOOOOOOOO SMOOOOOOOOOGGGGG.
1968 Camaro SS clone, BLACK/WHITE, #s match, NICE
68 camaro
1967 RS/SS camaro pro street
1967 camaro w/zz430

Since when is yours RED???

The same day yours is officially black, mine will be red. Mmmkay.

Ok computer shirt

SWEEEEEEEEET

You're going to spend 15K and use it as a daily driver?
Talk about depreciation.
You can get a nice low miler for 5-6K man, then make it faster.
Leave the collector cars to the collectors.

Will knows what he is doing.

He asked what we thought.
I'm stating my thoughts.

Sweet car, and I get what he wants, but it's a terrible investment.
The value will be less than half that after being driven a year or two constantly.
It's not a rare model to retain collectibility like a TTA, Firehawk, etc.
Throw some mods on it because you're not satisfied with the mid-low 14's and you'll decrease the value even more.

Cars like that are meant for old men who trailer them to car shows.

get a honda, or something small and cheap as a daily driver

Ha ha, thanks for the input guys. Very few cars are investments, and I am not looking for a investment. I really don't care much about depreciation since I actually plan on keeping it this time since it's the car I really have always wanted. Say what you want, but it's really up to me how I drive it and mod it, I have to live with it, and I plan to for a very long time. I know what I am doing, it's not like I am the only person who has wanted to and actually done this before. Oh, you guys should know me better by now, I am not into this car because I plan on making it really fast and modding the he** out of it, I want this car because it's low miles and all original. I plan to keep it original for the most part, as for miles, it's my car and I can drive it all I want and enjoy the he** out of it, that's what it's all about for me.

You buy it already?
I'm sure with a budget like that, it won't be hard to find a mint 3rd gen.
You can get 10 of them for 15K, hah.
I'm certainly not going to deter anyone from buying a 3rd gen, but some logic needs to go into buying a car.

Like I said Will, I get what you want and I know you're not one to mod and go fast.
The bottom line, regardless of what you do with the car, is he is/was asking a bit too much.
10-12K would've been more reasonable for that particular one.
Make sure you check Nada Guide when you're looking into buying one in such pristine condition.
Depreciation out the window, you still don't want to pay high retail or more for a car you can find for less elsewhere.

No, I didn't buy the car yet, don't know what happened, maybe he sold it, I have his number at work so I am going to call him tommorrow and find out what's up

Del, I don't follow guides and crap like that when I buy something. Things are only worth what people are paying and willing to pay for them at the time they are for sale. Prices go up and down. As for this car I pulled up 7 other listings today to compare and found nothing came even close to this car for it's price/miles, check out autotrader and see for yourself. I searched all 92's and found most had twice or more the miles and they wanted the same price, some were less but only $2k less or so, either way they all had more miles and were located back east. Some of them were only RS's models too, and then a lot of them were t-tops and other things I don't want, this was the only true perfect car I could find. But of course as you said I am not going to cry about it if it's sold because I am sure there is more out there and more come up for sale all the time. I will keep you updated, wish me luck.

Yeah I took a breeze on Autotrader, didn't see any with miles in the teens.
I'd think you'd find more of those on eBay if that's what you have your heart set on.

Can't say I agree with that one, but to each their own logic.

Regardless of my rantings, I do wish you luck and much rather you spend 15K on a 3rd gen instead of 20K or whatever on a Cobalt.

what about the TTA around the corner from you????

I think Willie is a Camaro guy.
Also, chances are it's a t-top car.
Not a 5.7 either.
0-3.

I was going to question the wanting of an auto since he was so big on having 6-speed on the GTO, but ya gotta get the 5.7 in a 3rd gen w/auto.

As Del said the TTA around the corner is t-tops, and it's a V6, I want V8 and hardtop, and for that I am very willing to give up the 6spd. Besides, I am a Camaro guy all the way.

Trust me Del, I have already done my research as far as Ebay, honestly nothing really impresses me on there and if you really look most cars on there are going for more $$$ then the ones on Autotrader, and I found more cleaner lower mile cars on Autotrader anyway for less $$$. The fact is just because some book says these cars are not worth what they are asking doesn't mean people are not paying it, they are selling left and right for these kinds of prices, and even more in some cases. I am not one to just lay down and pay asking price anyway, I always do my research first and have done a lot on these cars. Not only do you have to look at what the books say they are worth but you have to do real world comparisons and see what they are actually selling for.

, That is very balanced thinking. I did not know that you would even look at what the book says for these cars. We all know what we see them on sale for and that is more of an accurate picture of what you are going to pay. Sure, once in a while someone steals one, but those are rare occurances and getting rarer.

I'd say these 2 are a better deal.
A few thousand makes a big difference.

eBay Motors: Chevrolet : Camaro (item 250031966592 end time Sep-28-06 13:08:13 PDT)

eBay Motors: Chevrolet : Camaro (item 290029921662 end time Sep-24-06 18:54:23 PDT)

This is true, your original statements did not seem to have this thought process however as you said you don't look at the guides.
There's seems to me to be a clear line separating the price scales when you're looking to buy a car of this nature.
If you want one with decently low miles like mine 30-60K, you are paying in a certain mid range.
Once you get in the 20's and below of original miles, the prices practically double and it's harder to guage what they should sell for without a tool like the Nada guide.
Of course you can just look at a ton of ads and get a good idea for yourself, but I was just tryin' to help you out buddy and let you know 15K is at the real top end of what those cars should go for.

I don't agree with this statement, since we are not talking about Kelley Blue Book here hot92RS.
The Nada reflects a price range fom ~9K-15K for that car, which yes you can see by looking at how much people are asking for, but isn't it nice to know they are asking the MAX of the spectrum?

Of course if it's a car that is pretty rare, one would be more inclined to pay higher prices and not wait for a steal, but that's in the eye of the buyer I suppose as Will said.

Del, I don't know why we try to explain things to these Camaro types...

They have minds of their own despite being confronted with reality!

Your 'reality' is Firebird biased.

Some Firebird people even like the '87 GTA better than the '92 etc. etc. and waste time and money trying to make it one way or the other because they settled.

IMO if the car is exactly what my bro Big Willie Style wants, so what if it is a few grand more. It will be less expensive in the long run then getting something close enough and making it what you want.

I think Will loves thirdgens, But also wants a new car feel. So whats better then a low mileage thirdgen? That's how I see it.

Of course it is. And Vin, you took that bait entirely too easily.

The rolleye smilie means you're serious right?

Bait? I mean come on now I own / have owned 'birds.

Yeah, no doubt that's how I see it too, which is awesome for a 3rd gen fan.
I guess I'm just too logical and not a baller to buy collectible cars and actually DD them knowing I'm losing $ bar none.
Mine isn't THAT low of mileage, so I feel OK driving it, just not as a DD.

Almost any new car will depreciate in value. So whats new?

The depreciation factor is much faster with a car that has obviously been spared miles for a reason and is a possible collector. That's what's new.

Let me spell it out for you a little easier.
Take an '89 TTA with 15,000 orig. miles.
Probably going for 25K.
Drive that for 3 years and bring the miles up to 50,000+.
Probably sells for 10-12K now. Value cut in half.

No new car will have it's value drop that drastically in that short a time span.
I'm just debating now for the sake of it, not in reference to whatever Will buys.
It's just a fact that buying a car like that and driving it as a DD would be considered odd to most folks and is not typically done for that reason.

Just say I'm right and you understand my point and we'll let Will's search continue.

If your not planning to sell it, who cares?

I see what Del is saying and agree but I also agree with buy what you want, cars are made to be driven. Plus it's still cheaper than the gto.

Wow, who the hell knew this was going to be such a massive debate, lol, glad we are able to keep it clean and I hope it stays that way, I wouldn't want anyone to loose it over something like this, let alone loose some very cool people as friends.

Look guys, Travis said it very well, I love thirdgens and also love new cars, so this gives me the best of both worlds. Plain and simple, this is what I want and I can daily drive it all I want and I will be perfectly fine with it even if it's value is cut in half after a year or so. Remember, money is not everything in life, when it comes to cars I love to drive them, not store them all there life. Now some people disagree and think I am crazy, and I totally respect this point of view. I however put my money for investment into many other things then cars, but that's just me.

Steve, your right on with cars are meant to be driven, I feel the same way about driving a thirdgen, it's a drivers car after all.

Del, I do see your point about looking into Nada guide about the cars value. However, the fact is these cars are going for more lately wether we like it or not. If people are paying these kinds of prices then maybe the Nada guide needs to be updated to reflect the growth in value in these cars, did you ever consider this...? Now it may also be a bubble in the market kinda like the housing market, but oh well, things go up and down, if I want one NOW then I will pay the NOW prices. But I refuse to kick myself for paying just a little too much for this car if prices come down and/or I see something that may appear to be a better deal after buying this car. There is always something else out there, just be happy with what you have when you get it and go on with life, after all it is just a car we are talking about here, not like it's my life long investment I am putting on the line.

Well put.

Travis just refuses to concede my point regardless, so that just makes it more fun to prolong the debate.

Of course, this is what threads are meant for, discussing and provoking thought in a mature manner.

It does reflect it, perfectly.
My point was the guy is asking the max listed.

So are you opening the field to any year Camaro/5.7/TPI/Hardtop?

If you did come up with another awfully low-low mileage car, I wonder if Chip Foose would be willing to add it to his 'Overhaulin' TV Show? I would think it would catch his eye and interest.

Plus, wouldn't it be great to see how he deals with our third gen cars with a fresh palate? He does make killer two tone paint schemes. That's what I would be dying to see. Every car on our picture board that tried to use two colors flunked very badly

I know you've been bombed with suggestion on this post and are taking them all with a bit of salt and a glass of beer. I got my 88 IROC not to even think of using it as a daily driver. I sold my last camaro which was a 1978 louvered up smog pig. When I sold it, I swore to myself that I wouldn't ever get another till it was just an extra hobby car and I could afford it's late night raides on my wallet.
Sincerest Best Wishes on Locating the RIGHT ONE!!!!!!
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Del, I really don't want anything older then 89, and yes it must be hardtop and tpi. As for motor size I would prefer 5.7 but would take a 5.0 if I had to, as long as the car had everything else I wanted. Miles I would like under 50k, under 30k is really sweet, really it's all about being clean and all original for me though. The 92's are where my heart is at, oh, the car is still for sale by the way, called and confirmed it myself, and the link is working again now, this is still the car I will be going for.

Hopefully you can talk him down

Maybe he wants to trade for a GTO?

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/cama...-1le-less.html

He's down to $11,500

Ya, I have been looking at this car too, things I don't like is it was raced. The engine was pulled out, put back in, has a roll cage. I don't care even if some would consider these things benefits, I really just don't want anything modified, period. Plus, I have to have AC. I just don't have a good feeling about the car, I still like my original car.

Sup guys, still no word on the gto yet, any day now, I will keep you updated.

Check out this other car I am looking at and let me know what you think. I really like it, super clean car, little high on the price for the miles... What do you guys think about the price?

eBay Motors: Chevrolet : Camaro (item 120035514876 end time Oct-01-06 09:21:29 PDT)

That's definitely more of what I think you ought to look into.
Super clean, way below avg. miles and it has your 3 needs, 5.7, auto, hardtop.
He won't get 7900, probably in the 6K range somewhere.

Nice ride!

Hardtop IROC period is getting hard to come by. Looks like it is well taken care of and clean!

That will look sooo good parked next to me at work, given my car is painted and cleaned up here over the winter perhaps?

Oh just buy Eric's, you know you want to. You'll find what you're looking for. I myself want a black iroc, bad. It would look sweet next to the t/a.

Ya the guy is asking too much for the miles, have to wait and see what happens. I am a little concerned about the miles as well, a little much compared to what I really wanted. Kinda nervous once it hits 100k the tranny or something else major will crap out on me, this what I had go wrong on the 2 other thirdgens and I am trying to avoid this time.

Found another one, check it out, miles is just what I am looking for, his price is more reasonable for the miles, looks like he is flexible on the price too. What do you guys think, price especially?...

cars.com: 1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z

just because it has low miles doesn't mean the motor wont blow after you have it a couple months. you still have an aged motor. look at the owner just as hard as you look at the car.

Is it 35k miles a 1/4 of a mile at a time, or nice freeway jaunts at 65?

Looks very clean! When did GM start putting the extra digit in the odometer? Just curious, 'cuase my '88 IROC only shows 5 digits plus the .10th. Guess when I do my motor/trans swap I'll look into a newer style gauge to show the 100k marker.