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Old May 8, 2006 | 03:55 AM
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Flat black

who wants to do a flat black paint job.... and how much.

sounds gay to some of you i know, but there is a reason behind it.

so hit me up if you can help me out.

i'll even prep the car if needed

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Old May 8, 2006 | 12:43 PM
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Well...I can do it real cheap.. probably $8-10/panel. If you just want primer and color. Clear is another $4-5/panel. I'll spend an hour prepping each panel and an hour afterwards finishing. $60/hr...thats like 3 hours a panel times...2x fender, 2x door, 2x quarterpanels, hood, 2x bumpers.

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Primer/Paint/Clear = $135 (top of the line DupliColor)
Sandpaper/steel wool = $6

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27 hrs @ $60/hr = $1,620

Total: $1,761.

I can get that done in one day by the way. Let me know.
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Old May 8, 2006 | 03:30 PM
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top of the line DupliColor... lol Use some single stage paint with a flating agent init. will turn out alot nicer.
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Old May 8, 2006 | 04:07 PM
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For flat black I always use john deere blitz black turns out awesome and is tough as **** looks really really good if you wet sand it

Thats what this cars painted with
Yahoo! Photos - invicta445's Photos - work on my car

Best part is it only costs 20-30 dollars a gallon and dosent use any reducer
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Old May 8, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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thats sweet. so u can wet sand that stuff? do u buff it to?
cuz thats y I hate doing anything flat if u get dirt init you are screwed
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Old May 8, 2006 | 09:31 PM
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You prep the body as far as sanding goes. I'll mask and paint it for $600
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Old May 9, 2006 | 12:10 AM
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i had a body shop estimate it at 600 so if anyone is willing to go less than i'm in

but if not, thanks everyone
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Old May 9, 2006 | 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jay92,85,79
thats sweet. so u can wet sand that stuff? do u buff it to?
cuz thats y I hate doing anything flat if u get dirt init you are screwed
I've never seen it buffed but I assume you could you can wet sand the stuff smooth as glass though the guy we got the idea from his car was really very nice looking for a 150 dollar paint job
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Old May 9, 2006 | 02:46 AM
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I always heard people painted their cars flat black so that when the cops headlights shine on them from a distance away they will have a harder time seeing them because the light won't flicker. It always seemed dumb to me because they still have the radar.
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Old May 9, 2006 | 02:48 AM
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I always heard people painted their cars flat black so that when the cops headlights shine on them from a distance away they will have a harder time seeing them because the light won't flicker. It always seemed dumb to me because they still have the radar.
true but flat black paint also tends to suck up the lazer if there using lazer that is
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Old May 9, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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i just want that tough look
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Old May 9, 2006 | 01:58 PM
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i just want that tough look
I know what your sayin flat black with red looks mean
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Old May 9, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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i did my old caprice in flat black rust sealer paint. Looked alright and concidering the car was a rust bucket, when it was all said and done, made a hell of a difference.
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Old May 9, 2006 | 06:51 PM
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true but flat black paint also tends to suck up the lazer if there using lazer that is

That is false. There have been tests done to see if that indeed was true, and it does not effect it. Mostly because it is not really hitting the car.. but the windshield. front grill, bumper, or lisense plate.
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Old May 9, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Angelis83LT
That is false. There have been tests done to see if that indeed was true, and it does not effect it. Mostly because it is not really hitting the car.. but the windshield. front grill, bumper, or lisense plate.
Now that would depend on where its aimed now wouldent it? the reason for the laser is that its pin point as where the standard radar guns arc out in a wide path and more or less hit traffic in general a laser regardless of weather its visible or not is light and black things soak up light thats fact
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Old May 9, 2006 | 10:40 PM
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the chances of success byy painting a car flat black in the hopes of avoiding a laser gun is pretty slim. you could paint you car with the same material as a stealth fighter, and regualr radar would not pick you up, but the laser still will. and that is flat black as well. Like i said it's been tested.

Now on the topic of visual looks. a flat painted car could look rather cool. especially if it had non-flat accents to it.
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Old May 9, 2006 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Angelis83LT
the chances of success byy painting a car flat black in the hopes of avoiding a laser gun is pretty slim. you could paint you car with the same material as a stealth fighter, and regualr radar would not pick you up, but the laser still will. and that is flat black as well. Like i said it's been tested.

Now on the topic of visual looks. a flat painted car could look rather cool. especially if it had non-flat accents to it.
I didnt say it was fool proof I said It helped obviously nothing is fool proof when dealing with radar or laser equiptment than a jammer (radar only) but to say it wouldent do anything is obviously untrue its 5th grade science that black sucks up light weather it be the visible spectrum or otherwise
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Old May 10, 2006 | 02:18 AM
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so your saying paint the entire car and the windows to avoid lasers... hahah kidding. I want the car painted flat black... then i had some ideas for details and such. i just don't have the space to spray a whole car.



i was gonna go with either the real fire on the sides.... either green or normal colors...

red racing stripes...


or gloss black stripping....

haven't decided

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Old May 10, 2006 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by transram88
so your saying paint the entire car and the windows to avoid lasers... hahah kidding. I want the car painted flat black... then i had some ideas for details and such. i just don't have the space to spray a whole car.



i was gonna go with either the real fire on the sides.... either green or normal colors...

red racing stripes...


or gloss black stripping....

haven't decided

I would do red scallops with a gloss black stripe around em and maybe some lettering on the wing could be pretty cool
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Old May 10, 2006 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by formula350sd
For flat black I always use john deere blitz black turns out awesome and is tough as **** looks really really good if you wet sand it

Thats what this cars painted with
Yahoo! Photos - invicta445's Photos - work on my car

Best part is it only costs 20-30 dollars a gallon and dosent use any reducer

He is right- I used to work at the local John Deere store- this **** is tough, and if it scratches you just buff it right out again or spray over it, its heat resistant up to 500* or something like that too.. Also prevents rust and for use on all kinds of under body materials...
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Old May 10, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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He is right- I used to work at the local John Deere store- this **** is tough, and if it scratches you just buff it right out again or spray over it, its heat resistant up to 500* or something like that too.. Also prevents rust and for use on all kinds of under body materials...
Its true my tractor is sexy
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Old May 10, 2006 | 07:15 PM
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Its true my tractor is sexy
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Old May 11, 2006 | 04:19 AM
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500 degrees, i can drive half way to the sun!


how much does it run?
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Old May 11, 2006 | 04:45 PM
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500 degrees, i can drive half way to the sun!


how much does it run?
Its like 20-30 a gallon depending on what dealer you get it from
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Old May 12, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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For $60 in Rustoleum, it doesn't look too bad from 20-30 feet

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Old May 13, 2006 | 02:43 PM
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check out my flat balck camaro
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Old May 13, 2006 | 03:57 PM
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Anyone else have any pictures?
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Old May 23, 2006 | 08:23 AM
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Anyone else have any pictures?
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Old May 23, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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nice thing about flat black is you can carry a spray can and fix it as you go if there are any scratches....lol
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Old May 23, 2006 | 02:17 PM
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Here is a vehicle about the size of a house painted flat black. Sorry... dont have a third gen example but I still think it looks cool.

Its my buddies Caddie Herse that he painted flat black.

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Old May 23, 2006 | 03:37 PM
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saw a hurst (sp?) just like that BUT with glow in the dark flames....pretty darn cool
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Old May 23, 2006 | 04:28 PM
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Yeah that would look cool...Sorry... I spelled it incorrectly as well, as its "Hearse" as Herse has no meaning and well... the hurst is on Oldsmobile or a shifter Anyway....Sorry...
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 01:21 AM
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what prep do you do to paint with the john deere black? do you still have to prime or is this a though *** primer?
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Old Jun 21, 2006 | 01:26 AM
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Its paint so priming would be good but we never really have we just sprayed it over old scuffed paint on parts with bodywork i would definatly primer first though
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 01:54 AM
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how fine of grit are you using to wet sand it? and I would assume you never wax it either. just wash or wet sand when needed?
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Old Jun 22, 2006 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by BowtieDriver2
how fine of grit are you using to wet sand it? and I would assume you never wax it either. just wash or wet sand when needed?
I uaually use 1500-2000 when wet sanding and I wouldent wax it for flat paints use a rag soaked with wd40 and it makes it shine really well
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Old Jul 16, 2006 | 03:23 PM
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YAY for rustoleum

I painted my lumina with the flat black rustoleum too, i only ended up about 30 bucks in the paintjob and a weekend. it turned out pretty good, and once again, about 20 feet and it looks really sweet. the only thing is finding it in a parking lot in the dark really sucks . I wouldnt recommend it on a car you really care for a lot though.
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