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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 12:42 AM
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help me plan my suspension build

engine specs in sig im going to stick with my 4l80 trans instead of a powerglide since i wont be doing outlaw x275.

car is mostly a street car with track and land speed racing time
im going to keep it to a 10.5 tire

what would u guys recomend front/rear suspension wise
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 12:50 AM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

i forgot to add it has to stay stock style suspension
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 08:09 PM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

honestly, with the caliber of car you're looking to build, you need to call Madman or Racecraft, and have them build a program for you.

if those are out of budget, i really like the BMR stuff. honestly, anything that uses a torque arm with it's own dedicated crossmember gets my vote...i don't care for spohn because of the ta mount/transmission mount and the fact that it doesn't allow for much exhaust options. but if it's a turbo car, running the exhaust out of the fender or something of the like might be in order, in which case the spohn might *might* be back on the table.
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 08:57 PM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

hands down on something like that call Racecraft!
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 09:19 PM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

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honestly, with the caliber of car you're looking to build, you need to call Madman or Racecraft, and have them build a program for you.

if those are out of budget, i really like the BMR stuff. honestly, anything that uses a torque arm with it's own dedicated crossmember gets my vote...i don't care for spohn because of the ta mount/transmission mount and the fact that it doesn't allow for much exhaust options. but if it's a turbo car, running the exhaust out of the fender or something of the like might be in order, in which case the spohn might *might* be back on the table.
ex is going to be a 3inch downpipe out behind each front tire since i can get away with it in my county for inspection that and im doing steel 3x2 threw the floor subframe connectors along with the cage so ex routing out the back is going to be kind of tuff anyways

the suspension being stock style i suppose is prety easy its going to be shocks/struts and springs that im going to need help with really

as far as control arms/tq arm front kmember/a arms i just want to make sur eim buying stuff that isnt going to break being street driven or from the amount of power this new engine should be able to produce 1,200-1,500 hp should be pretty damn easy to make with the combo of parts i have selected and purchased
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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 09:31 PM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

Racecraft components

strange double adjustables

call racecraft for specifics on spring rates, etc.

how much street driving? keep in mind that the strength/rigidity that you need for racing, often wears out quickly on the street. heim joints add quite the harsh ride, and don't take the beating of every day driving like rubber/poly does, so you'll have added wear/service that will need to happen as a result. i also don't typically recommend 'moly stuff for the street because of the added stress, but most of the hardcore components that will hold up to the demands you're going to ask of it at the track/flats is only available in 'moly.

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Old Dec 28, 2012 | 09:40 PM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

honestly it prolly wont be street driven all to much, im thinking to and from car shows , 600 mile round trips to/from the racetrack, and when i feel the need just hop in it and go cruising.

most of it will be short intown trips 3-10 miles, but i know that heres going to be days when i want to cruise down to st george which is 140 miles away, or drive it to the track which is 320 miles to slc , or 330 miles to vegas

and is one thing i refuse to give up when i started buying this stuff i told myself the only way i would do it is if i could still street drive it ,
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Old Dec 29, 2012 | 07:29 AM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

wow...330 miles to the track...thats a serious haul. especially in a race car! lol

the turbo motor will make it a little easier...but the ride will not be like stock.

that being said...my car rides pretty nice for having all rod end stuff, but i only drive it at the track...not to it. lol

good luck...i like spohns crossmember mounted arm...but racecraft is top of the line.
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Old Dec 29, 2012 | 09:33 AM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

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wow...330 miles to the track...thats a serious haul. especially in a race car! lol

the turbo motor will make it a little easier...but the ride will not be like stock.

that being said...my car rides pretty nice for having all rod end stuff, but i only drive it at the track...not to it. lol

good luck...i like spohns crossmember mounted arm...but racecraft is top of the line.
as long as i dont go to radical with the cam the engine should do just fine on the street even for 300 or so miles at a time , might have to check valve lash once i get to and from the track thugh but i can live with that.

im more concerned over how well an a2w intercooler setup will do on such a long drive

im still not sur ewhich way im going with that either one part of me says the a2a will be bettter for the driving part, but i know once i start racing and really cranking the boost up im going to need that a2w setup
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Old Dec 29, 2012 | 09:45 AM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

the drag week guys just take the charge pipe off for cruising between tracks, then it's not really a big deal
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Old Dec 29, 2012 | 10:50 AM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

first thing i would do is take that car and have a 25.5 or 25.2 done.
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Old Dec 29, 2012 | 11:40 AM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

He said he got the stuff to do it. Given some of the stuff he's turned out in the past, I believe he can get it done himself.

How will those rods hold up to a 600 mile round trip?
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Old Dec 29, 2012 | 02:59 PM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

Originally Posted by mw66nova
the drag week guys just take the charge pipe off for cruising between tracks, then it's not really a big deal
thats something i would never do with turbochargers, even at light throttle,heavy load say driving up a hill its possible to over speed the turbos without the charge pipe connected.

though i have heard of guys clamping stretched out shop rags over the compressor outlets to prevent that

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first thing i would do is take that car and have a 25.5 or 25.2 done.
doing it myself, im more then capable
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Originally Posted by mw66nova
He said he got the stuff to do it. Given some of the stuff he's turned out in the past, I believe he can get it done himself.

How will those rods hold up to a 600 mile round trip?
shouldnt be an issue ,shouldnt being the key word
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Old Dec 29, 2012 | 07:19 PM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

I would say the three opposite ends of the suspension spectrum are drag racing, top speed, and street car. You sound like a smart guy though so I am sure you will figure it out . Good luck! Hell I even have problems finding a balance between street and strip .
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

if you can do all that yourself, i would make all the suspension stuff yourself and put some afco shocks on it.
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Old Dec 29, 2012 | 08:40 PM
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Re: help me plan my suspension build

true story
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