heres one for you



all the info I have seen on it is
HERE and HERE

 

personally I think its a gay idea...

 

talk about thinking outside the box

 

interesting... but (and I'm no expert on this) , is there any chance of the turbo breaking and the turbine flying out ? I don't know if turbo housings are built to keep any shrapnels inside or if that never happens and the turbo just seizes but I would feel very uncomfortable with something like that sitting under few gallons of gas. The heat alone would make me wonder just when the gastank will explode. lol

I hate the location of the air cleaner too , I think it would be better off sucking air out of the inside of the hatch :-/

and another thing would be rocks/objects on the road , it's tough to say how low it sits , but what if you're backing up and don't see a rock sitting right in the middle that fits under the bumper but hits the turbo , kind of an expensive "accident"

chances are that the turbo would be the most expensive mod on any car and IMHO something that expensive doesn't belong under the car.

but for LT1 guys with no room to spare upfront I think it's a good idea, for us , I would pass (not that i can afford it anyway , lol).

 

No way it would be effective... as 75% of the exhaust heat is lost.
no to mention.. lag along with the pressure drop of 15 feet of tubing.

 

I actually like the idea.

If you know 4th gens you'll know that there it is really hard to get a turbo on and keep your accessorys.

Supposively these guys put this kit on a totally stock LT1 camaro and went from 15.0 to 13.0. (Utah elevation) Picked up 13mph on a bone stock car using the factory manifolds. They said they picked the turbo to work effecently back there.

They said lag wasn't much of a issue on there test car.

Its never going to be as effecient as a turbo up close to the motor but hell if it was able to make 7psi and pick up 13mph on a stock car It works right?

 

I am also from Utah and a member of the UFBA, which is one of the locations linked. A lot of our members are going in with this new turbo setup, I havnt seen it run in person, but I am sure I will. Considering there is only 1 real place to race in Utah, Rocky Mountain Raceway. Read up on the information. I am not quite sold on it, and definitely wont be installing one, but hey.. if it works, and they're really getting gains out of it... Who are we to judge them?

 

thats the other silly thing for something that crazy and inefficient to dare cost so much more than a supercharger kit for the same application. You turbo guys think you have a oil return problem this is rediculous LOL

 

What i dont understand is why everyone thinks 13mph is such a great accomplishment?

I gained 19mph with my procharger kit on my lowly thirdgen and just under 2 full seconds

My friend with his heavy-weight t/a gained 18mph with a s-trim kit with no intercooler on his LT1

there are better options out there and we dont know how this kit is going to react at anywhere NEAR sealevel

 

Everyones amazed because look how far away the turbo is. Not many people thought it was be as useful..

 

I cant understand why everyone would jump up and down about this turbo which makes 7 psi and doesnt make anything till 3K RPM yet any mention of using a cummins turbo in a homemade kit that makes 20#+ (almost 30#) in its stock application and probably half that amount of boost with the reduced efficiency of the lower exhaust gas produced by a gasoline 350, 383, or 406 draws giggles...

 

the thing i like about it is where its located. .

We aren't blessed with hoodspace like you guys

 

thats silly because that place the "turbo People" make a killer single kit for LT1's that fits right?

 

turbo people doesn't make a kit, they resell the TTI kit i believe

However, PTK makes an excellant turbo kit

 

yeah that is true.. The only think this thing hasn't going for it is simplicity because of location.

They just don't have it threw thier minds that it should be cheap... when badass kits are out there at the same price you know? This kit is a **** load easier to build too.. I mean have you seen the turbo kits for our cars? a tangled mess... alot of times sacraficing accesorys


I wonder what type of turbo they use for this.. They sorta optimize it a bit by changing up the sides.

 

I would destroy it very quickly. I drive crazy and my car is low.

 

honestly, you could build this kit yourself for WAAAAY less.

 

yeah really,

Any idea on what type of turbo you would use for that? You would think it would be geard towards high flow low velocity

 

the only thing i worry about is the oil flow, i assume you would have to have a small pump to pump the oil back towards the pan, but would you also need one on the feed side????

 

No, you will still have oil pressure. and yes a scavange pump to return it.

Another possible idea would be a driveshaft powered oil pump (ala NASCAR rear end pump) and a small cooler and tank, and have a self contained system, with much lower oil temps..


BW

 

didn't they make these things in the electric "hurricane" that they put in the intake ducting? didn't they claime it added g0d knows how many hp? Come on, you guys know better than this,...lol....it's a original idea i guess, but definatley not worth it even IF it make the power they claim. first of all, lt1's run more than 15.0's to begin with, so i doubt it gained 2 sec,...secondly, i'd really love to drive it myself and see the timeslips both with and without it. Sounds like a couple of guys are trying to find a way to make a few grand profit on these things. you gotta see it to believe it these days, half of these poeple are full of on the net. or should i say some serious exaggeration/ just my opinion. lol

 

The altitude has a lot to do with those 15.0 times

 

one good bump and goodbye $3500...

one bored and broke guy with a wrench and goodbye $1500 Turbo...

 

ya think! lol :sillylol:

 

You need to take a look at the location again... The turbo sits higher than the pumpkin does. That "one good bump" would kill a lot more than the turbo...

Go read the post on the Utah board if you haven't. Most of these questions have already been asked and answered honestly and seemingly truthfully by the kit's creator. Hell, they have a Toyota 4X4 running low 14's at near 100 MPH with one of their kits. Imagine what they could do with a good running F-body!!!

 

yeah and the K& N fliter "creator" says it'll give you 25 hp. lol,... total bullsh!t. Anyway, i don't believe any of their claims. not to mention the kit is looks like someting you'd send away for with 10 upc's and a money order for $20. but seriously, would you buy one for your car? i sure wouldn't/

 

Nope, I'd make one with salvage yard parts and J.C. Whitney steel tubing...

 

That just seems like a bad idea. I know fourth gens have no underhood space like we do, but damn. If you ever bottom out that car there goes the turbo.

 

I don't think i've ever ever ever bottomed out my muffler


If you do, stop jumping the car

 

It never hurt the Duke boys.... < heres Dixie in the background >

 

IMO, that is the worst set up for a turbo I have ever seen.

As mentioned before, that setup = serious heat loss from the exhaust gas. Turbos rely on heat as well as flow (heat = energy) so placing the turbo at the end of the exhaust is a huge waste. Why do you think all the turbs on production cars are positioned right off the exhaust manifold?

Not to mention it being that close to the gas tank, that just scares me.

 

I cant see getting that kind of high tech hardware without using it in a more optimal situation. Without being to bring its capabilities more to a maximum capability. You wouldn't find me trying to install a 8-71 blower with a 6 rib belt just because it made it easier to do so. Besides we find people bantering the word "efficiency" about like it even applys for the most part in our cars considering a turbo versus a blower. This is one rare occasion where effiency really makes a difference, it definitely would be an issue to me. Every day on this board we are faced with people trying to get the most performance out of thier money. So "capability" seems to win out over "efficiency" with me and many others. Im just saying, will this kit and its price beat out a 3 core intercooled D1-sc kit for actual performance output?