dose any body know what i can do to give my v6 alot of power??

 

the best way to get more power from your V6 is to first pull the motor. second you'll want to completely take it apart, and finally throw the pieces in the garbage. Next you find a REAL motor(and by real i mean SBC), build it to your liking, drop it in and have all types of fun.

im just kidding, but seriously if you really want to make A LOT of HP, your gonna have a hard time doing it with the V6. Compared to the V8, big HP gaining mods are hard to come by. On the other hand, the sky is the limit w/ a good old SBC.

im sure i just pissed off a lot of V6 guys, but you have to admit, you can only do so much with a V6. whether you want to face reality or not, thats your decision. The V6's are good motors and if done right, they can make some usuable power, you just cant expect them to be blindingly fast w/o N2O or some type of blower, and even then, they're nothing campared to a V8 with the same mods

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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, Edelbrock Performer intake,
crane 272H cam,
Accel 8mm wires,
Edelbrock performer cat- back,
Homemade cold/forced air intake.
KYB GR-2 struts and shocks.
Grant GT leather wrap steering wheel.
Sony X-plod stereo.
Optima 6x9's

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
4th gen interior
6 point roll cage
3.42 gears
hurst billet/plus shifter
Edelbrock STB
Telstar rims

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Accord Rice Rocket (just barely), countless many ricers....

 

as much as id like to disagree hes right..for as long as ive had this car and the amount of money ive put in u cant get it to perform as well as a v8..thats why im building the 383...

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89 Firebird
2.8 V6 w/ t5 tranny (383 tpi t56 w/ ati 12/01)
Flowmaster 80 series, 3" Intermediate, SS Tips, Random Tech Cat, Msd Coil, MSD 6a, Accel 8.8 wires, Cold Air Intake w/ K&N, Lakewood LCA's, Brushed aluminum Hood pins ETC...
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My Site:
www.geocities.com/firebird89white

" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

 

You could always try a SC or a Turbo, but good luck finding one to fit!

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1991 Firebird Formula
305 TPI
Auto
K&N Filter
Grant GT Steering Wheel
5% Rear tint
Pontiac Windshield Decal
No real mods yet!

Former owner of an 88 2.8 Firebird....RIP

 

Graeme, didn't you find an S/C for the v6? I saw it posted on the V6 board, but maybe it is cheaper just to swap in a 350 though

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Stock 2.8 MPFI auto w/ Flowmaster 40, More to come......
New Pioneer Head Unit
2x 10" Thruster Subs powered by 300 Watt Jensen amp
More to come..... (hey, i dont got a job yet)

 

Have you ever raced a modified Grand National or T Type?????
They can run the ¼mile in around 7 or 8 seconds!!!!
Not bad for a V6 I'd say!
Is your modded V8 that quick?!?!?


Try a turbo and/or nitrous oxide.
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Tracy /AKA IROCKZ4me

• 355 cid
• AFR heads
• Arizona Speed & Marine hydraulic roller cam w/ AFR hydra-rev kit
• modified SLP runners
• TRW forged pistons/ceramic coated
• fully balanced
• Edelbrock headers/ceramic coated
• SLP cat-back
• Paxton supercharger
• Nitrous Express nitrous oxide

My IROC-Z
EFI Performance Club on Yahoo




[This message has been edited by IROCKZ4me (edited January 04, 2001).]

 

yea but for the same money i can put a 383 t56 in my car... and would walk all over a supercharged 2.8

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89 Firebird
2.8 V6 w/ t5 tranny (383 tpi t56 w/ ati 12/01)
Flowmaster 80 series, 3" Intermediate, SS Tips, Random Tech Cat, Msd Coil, MSD 6a, Accel 8.8 wires, Cold Air Intake w/ K&N, Lakewood LCA's, Brushed aluminum Hood pins ETC...
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My Site:
www.geocities.com/firebird89white

" I'd rather run last in a full out race, than to NOT run at all ".

 

IROCZFORME,
for starters,as far as i know, the turbo t-type came with a 3.8l V6 that can make more power w/o turbo than an lg4 or L03 motor (Newer 4th gens with the same 3.8l make 200 hp stock). NExt, this guy doesnt have one of these 3.8's now does he? like Greames(Sp?) said, its gonna be cheaper to drop something like a 383 or 350 in (and probably have a lot less problems), then to scrounge together enough parts for the T3.8. Plus the parts availibility is much greater for the SBC. Im not really trying to **** people off here, but im getting a little bit tired of hearing about the Turbo 3.8l swap for V6's. If it worked that well and was cheap enough to be practical, people wouldn't be ditching there V6's for 383's 355's and 350's. Instead they'd be dropping in a turbo 6, but as far as i know there are only a couple people who have actually made this swap

PS- a 7-8 sec 1/4 mile t-type is not gonna even come close to being drivable. Personally i find those numbers incredibly hard to believe at all(let alone with a street car) and i would love to see those times in writing. are you sure those arent 1/8 mile times? that i can believe


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86 Z28 red,
originally LG4,
new 350,
non comp Qjet,
T-5 five speed with new clutch,
stock 3.23 gears, Edelbrock Performer intake,
crane 272H cam,
Accel 8mm wires,
Edelbrock performer cat- back,
Homemade cold/forced air intake.
KYB GR-2 struts and shocks.
Grant GT leather wrap steering wheel.
Sony X-plod stereo.
Optima 6x9's

Future mods:
NOS,
Edelbrock TES headers, hi flo cat.
4th gen interior
6 point roll cage
3.42 gears
hurst billet/plus shifter
Edelbrock STB
Telstar rims

cars i've beaten:
95' Avenger, 88 Mustang GT, 70' Mustang , 97 Dodge Ram, 94 firebird formula, 92 Mustang GT, 94' 3000GT VR4, 97' Accord Rice Rocket (just barely), countless many ricers....

 

actually its IROCKZ4me


No sorry the '86-'87 turbo Buicks 3.8 were slower than dead slugs without the turbo!! And the earlier years were even slower in stock form.

No and he doesn't have a V8 350, 383 or mountain motor 700 cube engine either!!
but yes, he does have a V6.

Depends on if you can find a doner Buick that is wrecked or abbused for the right price.


Yes, the only thing more plentiful than SBC Chevy parts is mosquitos at dusk, and ants at a picnic.
However, Buick made different variations of the original turbo 3.8 from '79 to '87. There are millions of non turbo cars out there for parts. Not to mention tons of aftermarket parts suppliers.


I never get pissed off.

Sorry, I didn't intend to make you tired!

Isn't that a contradiction?!?!?
and
There must be enough talk/doing to make you tired of it for some reason.
There are way more than a couple of these swaps. I have seen several myself. from El Caminos to pick up trucks and everything in between including F Bodies.
In fact a few years ago an El Camino/Buick turbo swap won the Car Craft Magazine® Real Street Eliminator competition. Besides whipping butt in power performance & handling, it got way over 30 MPG to boot. Say, wasn't that you cussing about high gas prices this summer when at the pumps? No? maybe it was someone else then.

Also, GM thought it was a good swap ideal. Remember the '89 Turbo TAs???

Actually a swap to a turbo 3.8 isn't that difficult for a descent mechanic. It can be a cheap way to add much needed punch to a v-6 camaro if you find a wrecked or neglected buick to nab one from.

7-8 sec EFI car drivable? YES
On long highway trips? NO
whether over 6.4 liters or just 3.8 liters, a 7 sec car isn't exactly a family truckster! that was just an example of the ample potential of a small displacment motor.

Good grief, go to the drag strip when some fast cars are there!!!.

I have a good friend with an '86 Buick T-Type. it has over 130,000 miles on the clock. It has never had as much as a valve cover removed. It does have a Kenne Bell race chip, AFPR, ram air, and a bleed valve in the dashboard for the waste gate. He runs race fuel at the strip and 20 PSI boost. He removes the end links on the front sway bars and uses 5 year old M&H Race master slicks (305/40-16) mounted on 16" front GTA wheels.

<font size="7">HE RUNS 7.90s IN THE EIGHTH MILE!</font>
That is with a stock worn out engine with very minor bolt ons, and worn out old slicks with a short sidewall!!!!

Highly modded Buicks turn killer numbers it is just a fact of life. 7s or 8s in the ¼ (yes, quarter) mile isn't all that uncommon. Nines are extremely common, tens & elevens are all over the place, You can't even swing a dead cat without hitting a GN that runs sub 12 sec quarters!

But don't worry it hurt my feelings too, back in '87 when I got dusted by a 6 pot GN for the first time


By the way I didn't suggest a swap to a Buick 3.8 V6 in the first place. Although it is an excellent idea. I'm glad you thought of it.
I had just suggested a turbo, nitrous or both together.
I just used the turbo Buick as an example of what kind of performace possibilities a person is able to obtain with a V6. I chose the Buick T cars as an example because of their well deserved (and well known) reputation.

Also his question was... not "what can I replace my V6 with?"!


<marquee><STRONG><font size="5" color="orange">More power to you and your V6, Maro87.</font></STRONG></marquee>


Have a nice millenium.:wink:
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Tracy /AKA IROCKZ4me

• 355 cid
• AFR heads
• Arizona Speed & Marine hydraulic roller cam w/ AFR hydra-rev kit
• modified SLP runners
• TRW forged pistons/ceramic coated
• fully balanced
• Edelbrock headers/ceramic coated
• SLP cat-back
• Paxton supercharger
• Nitrous Express nitrous oxide

My IROC-Z
EFI Performance Club on Yahoo


[This message has been edited by IROCKZ4me (edited January 05, 2001).]

 

woah easy boys. No need to get in a pissing match.

Yes Buick Turbo V6 engines will WHIP *** . There are more 11 second GN and T-Type than 3rd gens. Im willing to bet.

As far as the original question, I know Edelbrock makes heads that will bolt on and i think they even have cams designed that will work too. They have a lot of stuff on their website so check em out.
www.edelbrock.com
good luck.

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-86 IROC
Vortech stuffed EFI 406 in progress
-=ICON Motorsports=-

 

IROCWTFEVER (did i spell that right?)
you really need to get a life man seriously. I dont even want to know how long all that sh*t took. Had i known you were that dense i would have broken that last post down better for you

To be perfectly honest with you, i have never seen a T-type or GN or TTA run the 1.4 mile (and yes i have been to the strips). I can definatley believe that you friend can run 7.90s in the 1/8. However i find it a little far fetched for a street legal turbo V6 to be running 7-8 sec. 1/4 miles. HELL i find that hard to believe that ANY engine regardless of size or power adder. BUT im not totally convinced its impossible. SO i'll tell you what, give me some kind of proof of a 7 second 1/4 mile turbo V6 car thats street legal, and I promise i will shut up on the matter of V6 power forever(by proof, i mean Timeslips, video, any documented proof of that particular run). So here is you chance to REALLY teach me something, good luck. That wasnt meant to be ignorant, i really would like to see a t-type go that fast (or proof of), cause I've never seen or heard of anything like that and knowing whether or not it is true would be great. thanx

 

I have a great life! Huge house, Own my own business, Great family, I couldn't possibly ask for a better life! Then I won't tell you, but I can type over 50 words per minute so it probably took you longer to read than for me to type it, lol.

Besides I have a sick, dying Grandmother that I take care of and look after. When I am here doing that and am not busy with her I have tons of time to try to help other car/F Body buffs, share information & ideas and make a few friends in the process.
Gee... I don't think so! I have a masters in electrical engineering. Last time I checked they still weren't giving those out at McDonalds. McDegrees, LOL.
Also I am a member of MENSA. If you don't know what that means that's OK. You probably will never need to know.
For someone that has never seen it you sure have a very obstinate opinion. I have difficulty believing you could spend much time at all at a drag strip with out seeing at least one of these cars! As a denizen of the strip let me tell you that they are bad to the bone and in the right hands can be awesome. It doesn't take that much to make a car street legal!
If I happen to run across some and think or care to bother to post it I might.
I'm not your teacher, mentor or Sensei!

I am done with this conversation it is getting repetitious.

<font size="4" color="green">Maro87 have a great time hopping up your V6 to what ever level you wish to. Don't let anyone tell you it can't be done because it can! It just takes a little more work, a little more money, and a lot more knowledge. Usually when someone tells you it can't be done or puts you down for trying it just means that they don't know how to do it.
Peace </font>

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Tracy /AKA IROCKZ4me

• 355 cid
• AFR heads
• Arizona Speed & Marine hydraulic roller cam w/ AFR hydra-rev kit
• modified SLP runners
• TRW forged pistons/ceramic coated
• fully balanced
• Edelbrock headers/ceramic coated
• SLP cat-back
• Paxton supercharger
• Nitrous Express nitrous oxide

My IROC-Z
EFI Performance Club on Yahoo


[This message has been edited by IROCKZ4me (edited January 07, 2001).]

 

Round 1: IROCZ4me

good job.

 

Nitros it until it blows up, then drop in a 350,355, or 383.

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1991 Z28 Camaro L98
5.7L T.P.I
Blk ext/grey lthr int
http://www.fbody.com/members/KamaroZ350/
http://www.IROC-Z.org/3rdgen/BandetZ28-2-resized.jpg

 

diddo

Or sell your engine and put it towards a V8 I would go TPI because they are quick off the line. LT1 is good but I wouldnt pick it for my street wars. TPI.



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1992 Camaro RS 3.1L
T5 Manual 5 speed
Cold/RAM air intake
Z-28 Exhaust
8.5mm MSD Ignition wires
TB Coolant bypass

Soon to be a 3.8L turbo RS

AIM screen name - Stopsign696

Kills:

95 (****) Probe GT,94 Mustang GT,91 CRX (dont ask me why he raced me),2nd Gen Z28 (350) haha to you V8 guys!,1992 RS 305 TBI (good race),First Gen Integra, Old Escort LX
More to come

 

show me a SBC that runs 11's and gets over 20 MPG...non exsistent...i love when people open their mouths about something they know nothing about...not sure who said it but a 86-87 GN is a dog? bwhahah...13 second car stock...guess an 89 TTA is slow to right? I'm doing the swap...i have an 87 GN drivetrain lined up...so bye bye L98. also someone said they hear people ditching their V6 for a SBC...maybe a normal V6 but how many people do u see that have GN's that have ditched the turbp 3.8 for a SBC?????

EDIT:Not sure what turbo magazine it was in but some guy had a GN with a twin turbo 3.8 V-6 running like 7's of course this car wasn't street legal...and this engine could handle 35#'s of boost...not bad for a POS V-6 :roll eyes:

Its a shame i'll be running mid 11's and be more streetable and be getting more MPG than a SBC...i'm not talking **** on a V8 but it burns me up when people say cars like a GN are slow...why cause its only a V6???
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Vice President of the Jersey Fbody Crew(JFA)
Check out MyGTA Nicknamed:The Big Red Machine
***AOL IM RiceEatinGTA***
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"What does not kill us only makes us stronger"

Tony

[This message has been edited by fly89gta (edited June 28, 2001).]

 

I can vouch for the Gn/t-types. for the past month, i have done nothing but study them. I have seen people that have run in the 10's without ever opening the engine. No machining, nothing. These cars are truly amazing. They are cheaper and more effective to mod. A 10 second GN is generally far more streetable than a 10 second Camaro becuase YOU control the power of your car. Hell, you could turn the boost down to 5 lbs if you really wanted to. I didnt believe any of it at first either. www.gnttype.org is a great resource and they do have member times to check out as well. Thanks.

 

mycarsucks:

amen i know people in GN's and TTA's running 11's on just bolt ons...stock heads cam etc...not even TOUCHING the valve covers...and the stock bottom end on that motor is good for 10's...STOCK BOTTOM END!...its a great setup...yes a turbo motor may take a bit more tuning than a carbed SBC but the results are by far much better

 

I agree!!!

 

Can I make a suggestion?

Would it satisfy everybody if he just built a SINGLE TURBO'D 350, 383, OR 406??? Hell... small cam (depends on how radical he wants to go) and a T76 would be very nice. Hmmm... maybe I should save that suggestion for myself. Now how do I delete posts again?

Just kidding...

I'm very impressed with the performance of the GN's, T-Types, TTA's, and anything else thats running a turbo Buick V-6. Im also a strong believer of the "NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT" rule. Now... DISPLACEMENT AND FORCED INDUCTION... That sounds a little better. The little V-6 that the turbo Buick boys run REQUIRES RACE GAS when you really start cranking the boost up. Thats the only thing that I dont like about them. Besides that I love the little V-6's!!!

 

There is a guy named kent Rudbeck who lives here in Indiana. You may have heard of him. He has a lil V6 with twin turbos on it and I have seen him run 8.16 in the 1/4. Its a hell of a ride!

Of course it is not street legal. But it still has the whole interior and I bet he could drive it down the street.

 

JAYDUBB thats a good point about the race gas...about the single turbo SBC idea...there is a company in Canada designing a system as we speak...when i get on my computer i'll post a link to their site...it should be out sometime this summer

 

Yes... I have!!! Impressive! Damn fast ride!

 

i had a 2.8, and now i have a 3.4....i run all forged intrenals..my heads are deck milled, and i have a ported and polished heads w/match porting on my 3.4...i run 120 shot nitrous. i have a T-5....amd i run 13.2's only b/c i can't spray in 1st gear b/c i don have posi....whe i get posi 12's are there.....and i get 20 mgp..it can be done w/a V-6, just takes time, ingenuity, and money, but ur 12 sec V-8 doesn't get 20 mpg.....nuff said. but yeah a part on an 8 will make more power then the same part on a 6, but u guys need to stop nocking people for wanting to hop up a 6..in fact ask some guys in SFFBC i have taken LT1 Z's in my 6.....in my opinion keep ur 6 forge it and run nitrous, find a ****y v-8 guy on the road hand him his a**, and then he will shut up

 

A v6 will get better MPG than a v8 all other things equall, but I have seen and heard tell of too many sb Chevys that do average 20 MPG or so and can knock down 12s and 11s. Naturally asperated it would be very difficult but with power adders it isn't impossible. You don't have to take my word for it. When Car Craft magazine was running their annual "Real Street Eliminator" they had a few entries that pulled it off. A few even ventured into the 30 MPG range. That was with the same hard parts on the drag strip and the milage run but with a special program in their DFI to cut the gas thirst on the MPG run though.
Also not too long ago Hotrod Mag had a running feature on a Chevelle project car with a vortech pumped 302 cube chevy. If I remember right they dynoed over 500 HP on pump gas and expected around 650 on racing fuel. That car ran right around 20 MPG on the Hotrod Power tour.

All of the cars I remember ever seeing in any of the Real Street Eliminator and the Hotrod Chevelle only used one power adder. If you're not racing in a class that limits you to only one power adder then you can really turn up the heat by using two together. That would turn up the power quota without affecting MPG at all.

 

V6's are good...but displacement is king. If you take a 350 and get it balanced and blueprinted it is entirely possible to get upwards of 20 mpg while keeping the power a V8 has to offer. I personaly know of a man who has corvette that has about 600 hp and it gets 24 mpg...now that is something to see.

 

I've got a simple question. My guess is that Maro87 wants more power, and probably doesn't want to get his 87 into the 8's. If you're talking HP dollar for dollar, it doesn't make sense to build up the V6, since doing the same for the V8 would be just as expensive, and you have 2 more cylinders worth of power. If Maro's budget or ambition is preventing him from doing an all out 1000 hp engine, this conversation doesn't seem all that helpful <shrug>.

Maro87 - What are your goals for the car, motor, budget, and mechanical experience? Will you be happy with an easy bolt in carb'd run of the mill 350 hp smallblock, or are you comfortable swapping in a turbo V6 with a computer swap, etc?

Andris
89Z w/ some bolt-ons

 

The cool thing about the Buick V6 is you dont need to pull it apart to acomplish that. I have never had the intake off my car. I drive down to bristol, Tenn once a year to go Racing in Septmeber "Buicks at Bristol"

Last year I averaged 24mpg going 80mph, Showed up at the track, changed tires and Gas and ran low 11s all weekend. Turned around and drove home with the A/C on and slicks in the back listening to the CD player.

Its no point in even trying to explain, if you have never experianced one of these cars your not going to get it anyways...

Turbo Cars for life

Former Owner
70 Charger RT 440 Big Block
70 Chevelle SS 454 Big Block
67 GTA Mustang 390 Big Block

And I would never buy one again!!

I run circles around these cars in every catagory. Speed, Driveability, Cost to go fast, gas mileage.

You can't go fast Naturally Asperatied AND have street ability. It just doesnt happen. Sure you can bolt a turbo onto a V8 and spend 8-10K to do it right or buy a buick and do it for cheap money and still pass emissions..



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-Mike
89 TTA
PT51, V4, 50s, 3DP, Stock Long Block and Convertor.....
11.25@121 w/1.56 24psi Through the Exhaust on a 16psi launch

1998 LS1 T/A 6-Speed
13.10@106 Factory Stock down to the air in the tires. 296HP/319TQ

 

Ummm... TTA has a point there. If these aftermarket companies get on the ball and drop these rediculous prices a little, then maybe we all can have a turbo under the hood on a SBC! Hell, I'd like to have one of my own one day, instead of working on everybody elses!

TTA... again, I like the Buick V-6 turbo engines. But, you have to run RACE GAS to go an 11? I personally know of people running belt driven centrifugal blowers and their cars go low 11's on PUMP GAS! Thats what I'm talking about! Having to run race gas is like having nitrous, IMHO. If you're street racing, the fun is over when you run out of race fuel. And if people smell it coming out of your tailpipes, its gonna be hard for you to get a race! And to add insult to injury, RACE GAS AROUND HERE IS $4 per gallon! And SPEED UNLIMITED (our local speed shop) closes at 8 or 9!

Again... I like the Turbo-6's. I just wish they were a little bigger than 231 CID. And before any of y'all start yelling about stroker kits and "stage-2" blocks... ITS CHEAPER TO STROKE A SMALL BLOCK CHEVY THEN IT IS TO DO THE SAME TO A BUICK V6. AND YOU DONT NEED A "STAGE-2" BLOCK TO DO IT!

[This message has been edited by JAYDUBB (edited June 30, 2001).]

 

On pumpgas and Street Tires my car has run 11.95@113mph. This is basically how its driven on the street at 19psi.

For every 14.7psi of boost the effective displacement doubles. So I'm running 231 cubic inches and at 14.7 psi Im now basically running 462 cubic inches.

When I am at the track and running racegas I run 24psi which puts the "displacement" around 608ci.

This is basically theory but maybe you can see my point.

No Replacement for displacement? Bah! Try my V6

On 94 Octane Sunoco and Radials my car has been 11.95@113mph. Yeah it runs 11s, barely...

I keep a drum of Racegas in the Gargage and it takes 2 min to drain the car of pumpgas and put in racegas.

Just about anything you build with a Supercharger or Turbo will require the use of higher octane to fend off detonation. All the guys that I know running mid 11s on pumpgas with Superchargers have the timing turned way down. With Racegas and more timing they go even faster.

Besdies when the lights come down, it doesnt matter what you got

We also have gas stations that sell 110 octane for 3.69 a gallon. 40 bucks to fill up and I can make that back in one race against a supercharged V8

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-Mike
89 TTA
PT51, V4, 50s, 3DP, Stock Long Block and Convertor.....
11.25@121 w/1.56 24psi Through the Exhaust on a 16psi launch

1998 LS1 T/A 6-Speed
13.10@106 Factory Stock down to the air in the tires. 296HP/319TQ

 

TTA - Imagine the same boost on a SBC, and you will be faster Not to get in a pissing contest, but I ran the same MPH, with only 5psi boost on a nearly stock L98 (just super ram intake & 52mm tb). All those slogans (no replacment for displacement, etc...) mean jack. All that matters is how much oxygen you can burn in your engine. Whether its through CID, RPMS, Boost, or Nitrous (not nahsss! Ahhhh!!!), who cares!

Andris, warped after working 14 hour days every day this week

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Andris Skulte
Skulte Performance Designs
Z28tt-89 IROC T56 DFI Twin Turbo
http://www.skulte.com

 

ok guys, slap in an ls1, yeah yeah if were not arguing cost here, twin garrett t28's, about 28 psi, some octane booster, and bam, 9's here i come. if youre really in the mood for some money spending, lpe, thats lingenfelter performaance for any of you that dont know, just built a 427 cid SMALL BLOCK, 550 horse and lb ft naturally aspirated with more or less stock fuel delivery. bigger injectors and tb, port an polish. twin turbos and you could take any one of those 8 sec 6's, and all theyd hear is the exhaust crackling to the deep rumble of a forced induction v8, and ya know what thats fast. as for 30 mpg, no 8 second car gets that, period, at least not without a lot of race prepping. and as for streetable, at 20 psi i wanna see you drive stoplight to stoplight without more than a few stares from local authorites, especially smog cops, dot chp, when your camaro or tta rides by soundin like a hoover vc on steroids... i live in socal, gotta worry about that stuff. and asa for race gas, when you can find it out here, its a bit pricier, last one i saw had it goin 5.20 a gallon, and that was a bit overpriced im sure, but nonetheless gives you an idea... but were talkin price right? best route, definately 350, with the aftermarket support of a 50 year old engine design, the price is unbeatable, and by the way...how many top fuels you know runnin 4-5 second passes on 6 cyl's? nuff said

 

heheh Cost doesnt matter.. For a street car you cant beat the V6 dollar for dollar.

BTW, what does having 20psi have anything to do with driving stoplight to stoplight? You dont even know the turbo is there driving around normally.

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-Mike
89 TTA
PT51, V4, 50s, 3DP, Stock Long Block and Convertor.....
11.25@121 w/1.56 24psi Through the Exhaust on a 16psi launch

1998 LS1 T/A 6-Speed
13.10@106 Factory Stock down to the air in the tires. 296HP/319TQ

 

April 99 Hot Rod magazine, Eric Kangs 582 RWHP 383 S-Trimmed LT1,dyno emmisions legal, 22 mpg 11.29@129 on street tires. Drivability is almost like stock.

You can get great economy out of a v8 with a good management system such as a Motec that Eric used on the car we built.

I would say it would be awesome to go with a GN motor or even a V8, but I wouldnt personally dump money into a 2.8 based block.

 

Good question. If you're not diggin in the throttle, the boys in blue will never know!

 

Im not even going to comment on the term "NAHSSS". Obviously the writers, producers, and directors of "The Fast And The Furious" have no idea of what NOS (enn ohh ess) is or what it does. They see NOS and just pronounce it how its spelled. When I heard them yelling "NAHSSS!" I was waiting for NAS (the rapper) and Lauren Hill (the singer) to come out and start singing "If I Ruled The World" (the song).

 

i think u guys forgot what the original question was. "HOW TO GET MORE POWER FROM A V-6", not do i swap a V-8 in, or what gets better mileage. i'll say it again like i did before...forge ur internals.ie crank, rods, pistons, mill ur head to raise compression and run 100 shot of NOs, that'll put u in the 14's and not break the bank.

 

I would like to try a 4.3L with a twin turbo setup.

 

you can get more power simply making new custom headers for single turbo setup and adding extra injector with haltech ECU.

V6 will be good with small mods (like new 2.5" exhaust). you can get up to 200hp without touching the engine internals. that's something low 15's here we go!

-P

 

that is what i plan to do with my firebird v6 or i might stroke it to a 3.1 and make it a quick v6 with performer heads and a cam and lots of nitrous. it can be done and why not. it would be a diff. experience racing a v6 firebird than a v8. i would love to fly by some of the ppl on here in a v6 firebird on the bottle. that would surprise them.

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85camaro305

mods:3in. exhaust pipe straight from the headers to a glasspack, edelbrock performer rpm intake manifold, edelbrock performer 600cfm elec. choke carb, dynomax headers, no ac and edelbrock signature chrome valve covers and a edelbrock pro flo air cleaner. oh yeah and lots of chrome stuff.

future mods:msd 6al, hei upgrade, and my wolverine cam to be installed, and march underdrive pulleys and a bumpin stereo.

"have u driven over a ford lately"

 

while the ls1 is not technicaly a smallblock chevy i have seen one run 10.6 and he gets a little over 30 mpg. it is very possible to get an ls1 in the 10's with little mods. all you need is exhaust a 6 speed a real clutch 4.10 gears and a 175 shot on slicks you are in the 10's and get at least 27 mpg. i saw an ls1 z run 11.4 with 4.10 gears and a 100 shot and some slicks that is it. It is remarkable what happens when you hit the button when you are droping the clutch at the rev limmiter. it resulted in a 1.5 60 foot. I say skip the SBC and run an ls1 you will get better milage and run faster. i think a complete ls1 is like $5500. With the increased fuel milage and the performance per dollar ratio the ls1 will pay for it self.

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90 IROC l98
last season best corected 13.62 @102
mods
full exhaust, AFPR, pulley, jet stage 1 chip, billet servo, 52mm throttle body, slp runners and some 1.6 RR's and a few other little things.
243 RWHP and 342 RWTQ with hot engine and 90 octain fuel

 

Exactly - Now, using your same theory - if I run that same exact boost on my 355 ci - I'm running a whopping 935 CID engine.

Dollar for dollar if I start with a V6 block and a V8 block - there's no one that can argue that for the same amount of money spent on my V8 block as my V6 block -- I'll get more with the V8.

Let's remember - in the middle of all of this GN/T-Type talk - the V6 in this kids car is a 2.8. I've NEVER had a good experience with a 2.8. I've spun rod bearings in 3 of them.

That aside, the GN/T-Type came from the factory with an AWESOME setup - they're fast to start with, and with a few simple mods - they're hella fast. But, if he sets out to piece together a setup like this -- we're talking a SERIOUS dent in the wallet. Also, I don't know where anyone else is from, but a GN/T-Type drivetrain is not exactly the easiest/cheapest thing to come by. And it isn't exactly the easiest swap.

My advice, put together a cheap 350 TPI, spend a few well thought-out bucks on it before you put it in, and guaranteed you'll be in the 12/13's range and over 20 MPG as long as it's tuned right.

 

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<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Exactly - Now, using your same theory - if I run that same exact boost on my 355 ci - I'm running a whopping 935 CID engine.

Dollar for dollar if I start with a V6 block and a V8 block - there's no one that can argue that for the same amount of money spent on my V8 block as my V6 block -- I'll get more with the V8.

Let's remember - in the middle of all of this GN/T-Type talk - the V6 in this kids car is a 2.8. I've NEVER had a good experience with a 2.8. I've spun rod bearings in 3 of them.

That aside, the GN/T-Type came from the factory with an AWESOME setup - they're fast to start with, and with a few simple mods - they're hella fast. But, if he sets out to piece together a setup like this -- we're talking a SERIOUS dent in the wallet. Also, I don't know where anyone else is from, but a GN/T-Type drivetrain is not exactly the easiest/cheapest thing to come by. And it isn't exactly the easiest swap.

My advice, put together a cheap 350 TPI, spend a few well thought-out bucks on it before you put it in, and guaranteed you'll be in the 12/13's range and over 20 MPG as long as it's tuned right.</font>

This is exactly what i was trying to say... 6 MONTHS AGO!!! how on earth is this thread still open???

Eric




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My 1986 Z28
GM350, T-5, 3.23's, lots of go fast goodies, 4th gen Firebird interior etc...
85 IROC w/ 1364 miles!

You'll always find what you've lost in the last place you look

R.I.P Dale Earnhardt

 

All I see is a bunch of gobbbalie goop numbers on the screen. Just tell him how to build his V-6.

 

Simple, start by going to www.geocities.com/overlift

Then look into a dynomax cat back a new O2 sensor and high flow converter. Before you do this do all you free mods. Port you upper and lower plenum because you can take a lot out of there. Spend 200 for a ported TB. Look into a crane 2030 cam and a coyles double roller chain and 1.52 roller tip rockers. Consider a 3.73 posi rear, LCA's, Panhard rod and orque arm. Do all that and you'll be low 15'2 to high rare 14's.. Spray 90HP of NOS and be in the 14's high and low...

 

this guy isn't even here anymore. He hasn't posted since January

 

Aight, here's how it goes- the V6's in the Camaros and Firebirds werent total dogs...if you wanted more power on them, yeah, you can do the little things like ram air, exhaust, minor engine mods...etc etc...probably enough to make it run in the 16s when you're done. HOWEVER- if you wanted to get power for practically nothing, contact TA Creations- www.tacreationsusa.com they deal with used Camaro and Firebird parts- you can ask them for their inventory and they will probably rattle off about 6 or 7 305 or 350 tpi engines they have for sale (not really all that expensive either- $300-$700), so you could look there if you wanted.

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305IrocZ28- Al
1990 Iroc-z 305 TPI auto, Flowmaster exhaust, 2 Rockford 10'' Punch woofers w/ 160a2 amp, 2.73 rear (1650 rpms @ 60mph)