I am currently assembling the parts list for a engine swap/single turbo install

but since bbs isnt making single headers anymore, who makes good single turbo manifolds


turbo is going to be a off the shelf s400 if that makes a diff.

 

S400 makes a huge difference. That is a physically big unit. I am guessing that you went with the 1.01 A/R diesel flange, correct? If so, you will end up fabbing the header yourself or by someone you know. Check out McMaster-Carr.com or burns for stainless.

Is this a 700+ FWHP build? It sounds like it.

 

well since the s400 is a t6 frame housing, the availability of kits REALLY slims down. I dont know of any off the shelf t-6 turbo kits. You're best to do what i'm doing. Build you're own. The header building stuff can be found here: http://www.schoenfeldheaders.com/ And then you can use mild or stainless steel for the crossover and downpipe from just about anywhere. Make sure its good thickness. www.theturboforums.com is a great place to get ideas on how to make everything fit together.

Brandon

(aka Juiced91z on HPJ)

 

oh hey whats up juiced, yeah im just looking into buying all my parts at 1 time cause im going to blow all my money i have saved before i go into the service. And thanks for all your replys , links and whatnot. And to answer your questions yes this will be around a 800whp build.


and as far as ar, i might go to the 1.32 hotside version, but idk yet im still thinking


but ill look into those links , i just wish there was a easier way.

 

http://www.theturboforums.com/ is a great site to read. and gain lots of info on.
With a S400 you will deff. be doing your own work. Not realy hard either. Just plan it out before you start cutting up tube.

 

yeah i read theturboforums every night, i just was wondering if there was a easy way out and it isnt much room in a third gen engine bay. Still debating on running a blow through or a aftermarket computer with my TPI. Carb probably. Gonna be looking for a good rearend for my thirdgen , something of the uppper 900hp capable area

 

Im going blowthrough on mine. And a moser 9" with 35 spline axles and a spool would be pretty bulletproof.

 

i am extremely interested in this also, as i would like to use a S400, i Started a thread on turboforums, and got some very helpful info initially about fuel system and such, but i am at a stand still as far as how to mount it.
i am number 3 for a BBS header, which i've already decided wont fit.
i am even willing to fab my own headers, but need an idea for the basic layout.
i like Michael Fratena's NMCA street race camaro set up but i imagine the streetability is slim with a system like that.
i considered cutting out the radiator core support, making some new suppport out of 3/4 x 3/4 square tube(what we just did on my uncle's 79 TA with a 'glass front end) in order to move the radiator forward and lower to mount the huge S400 between the engine and rad. ........

i have thought long and hard about this, ive drawn thousands of sketches and different ideas, another issue would be a 4"minimum Down pipe, ive thought about notching out a half circle in the passenger side frame rail and reinforcing iit by boxing it, in order to run the DP down like a BBS single would.

im very serious about this, i already ordered a Vic Jr. and my entire fuel system;
an Aeromotive A1000 pump, 13202 regulator, 12304 filter, -10AN feed and return s/s braided line, -8AN from the reg. to the carb,
only fuel related stuff ive got left is to either sump my tank or get a fuel cell.

i want big power (600-700RWHP) from a big single turbo more than anything and i am even willing to move to a different vehicle platform, like a second gen f-body, monte carlo/regal, or even a damn 80-style malibu, something with removable inner fenders/no strut towers, etc.
i've even eyed my own daily driver once or twice; a 97 Sonoma reg cab, short bed, step side with ZQ8 pkg. .....small block would bolt right in, its already a 4.3 and 4L60E....

Any help/advice/ideas on using the S400 would be really helpful.
post anything ya got
thanks

 

put it over in one of the battert trays like I did with an old setup I had. (never used it, ended up selling it to do my current setup)

http://www.cecoatings.com/images/Car...o%20pipes2.jpg
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/Car...boheaders5.jpg

Those are corvette headers flipped for ease of making.

You could easily make custom ones and do the same thing.

more ideas..
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/oth...rs/GuidoTurbo/
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/oth...rbo/cross1.jpg
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/oth...rbo/cross2.jpg

 

http://www.cecoatings.com/images/oth...rbo/cross1.jpg


id like something like that layout,its gonna be mid next year before i start on this thing, but im going to go ahead and order all my parts as i go along. Im shipping off to the air force soon and all the parts are gonna be sent to my home. And as soon as i get on permanent assignment ill start the build there, peice by peice.


5liter , what kind of carb are you going with , CSU?

ive been thinking about a setup ive seen but cant seem to find, it looks like a 4 barrell manifold but has a 90. at the top and a TB, with fuel injector bungs in the runners. Supposed to come with computer and all electronics. But cant seem to find which man. it comes from, i thought edelbrock but no luck on finding it
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and as far as pump i was thinking the magnafuel 500, and maybe a -10 return for me

 

http://www.cecoatings.com/images/Car...o%20pipes2.jpg

i've seen this before, i like the headers/turbo location, but where would you run the down pipe, under the k member?
the DP would be way too big to run by the side of the block/motor mount area.??



yes, i am going to use a CSU carb.

the Magnafuel Prostar500 should be definately more then you'd ever need.
but def. a quality pump, i almost bought it, but i believe my Aeromotive is a little more street use/extended-run-time friendly.
the A1000 supports 1300hp N/A and 1000hp Forced Induction

oughta be enough for most "street/strip" combos simce factory blocks are only good for 850+/-hp (unless you do splayed billet caps, arp studs, block fill etc... might be good for 1000hp)

 

yeah i also like that setup, be kinda easy to hide too. but why would anyone ever wanna hide the turbo setup. But def. keep in touch and ill look into the aeromotive pump and if its cheaper might go for that one. But keep me up dated, and i feel ya on that different platform, i might just go to a mild 350 with some afr 195's instead of boost. Might go to a yellow nova or chevelle instead of my car, something more platform freindly.

 

my pump was $310, and filter they reccommend was 100. regulator was 155 i think.

but ive also got 250 in s/s braided line and well over 150 in AN fittings

all my fuel stuff and a Vic Jr. manifold came to $1230.00 from jegs.
def. not cheap but i guess if you wanna play ya gotta pay.


i'll keep you posted if i come up with anything as far as mounting/plumbing a S400.

 

thanks bro, and thats not that much cash in retro. Some people would call you crazy though, what are you doing as far as trans? im thinking th400 but a build 700 could work too, seeing as how id like some amount of street cruising to it, there was one forsale on here awhile back , built for 800hp but cost as much as your whole fuel setup.


idk what do you guys recommend, taking into fact that a dig car is far from i want this to be, i wanna hang with the cobras and supras on top end as ricealistic as that sounds. And dont suggest a m6 cause ive already thought about that and ruled it out, i want a auto.

 

FWIW i'm doing a csu 800 carb, magnafuel 500 with -10 lines and a 13202 regulator. If you guys plan on using the A1000 and drive it on the street make sure you get the controller, because it will burn up in a heartbeat driving on the street.

 

i think ill go magnafuel, and -10 like i stated earlier, wow alot of guys are running/gonna run my same setup. I must have put it together right

 

it just works, thats why everyone is doing the same thing...exactly why the s400 and the master power t-70 are such popular turbos...they produce massive hp with a budget.

 

ive looked at the mpt70 but i like the s400 better. I got some calculations to do but the rest of my setup should be up soon for everybody to criteque


but which auto tranny would give me the better top end.

 

how much HP you plan on making and how much street driving are you doing?

 

weekends and nightlife basically, and im planning on around 800 at the crank.

edit: aftermarket block pending more hp few years down the road



Might see the strip every now and then, along with maxton

 

if you dont plan on racing much go with a 700r4 or if you want to drop the $$ on a 4l60/80E. something like a 3.23 or 3.42 gear on those would work good...why not go with t-56?

 

t-56 would work , but at 7XX whp i would be constantly worried about clutch problems, my uncle has this problem to this day in his gear jammer class vega.


700 would work as long as i can buy one bulletproof to around 900ish crank

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...700r4-3rd.html


something like that one, but maybe a with a builders sheet and all the certified goodies

 

CPT or pro-built.... as for clutches, Cartek or textrailia would hold the power but they are about $8-900..you wanna play you gotta pay!

 

how long would a clutch like that last at those power levels

 

well with about 520 rwhp on nitrous, Eddie, (silver98z on hpj) has 41k and probably 200 passes with 5k dumps on his cartek. so assuming you dont launch at the strip as often as he does, i could see a boosted motor putting the same amount of mileage even at 700rwhp, as not all the power hits the clutch at once like his nitrous motor would..and for what its worth hes got 170k on the stock short block too

 

how does this look so far

far from complete but the general idea

s400 1.10
an magnafuel 500
13202 regulator
12304 filter
-10AN feed , -10AN return
moser 9" with 35 spline axles
Hellfire rings
brodix track1 heads or afr 220 heads race prep version (or which heads do you recommend?)
csu 1050cfm blow through
Tial 50mm BOV and VS Racing 60mm wastegate
Msd Timing Master and 6-AL
Eldebrock Super Victor Intake
4340 I-beam rods : looking for best brand
dish pistons 8.5:1 : looking for best brand
Cam: i still have to decide
Trans: still up in the air
Pistons: also still looking for best



edit: still need oil pump, water pump, all acces., valves, pushrods, rockers etc.

 

You dont need a 1050, an 800cfm carb will support well into the 1000hp range, blowthrough is different than NA. For heads either of those are good choices, just stick with aluminum and you'll be good. I am running afr 210 competition cnc ported ones. For pistons, JE, Probe, Mahle, are good off the shelf ones, CP makes AWESOME pistons but are about 7-800 for a custom set. Cam: Solid roller with like a 224/224 .610/.630 on a 114 LSA. It will give you great street manors and will make good power across the board. The AFR's come with 2.08/1.6 Ferrea valves, and comp roller springs good to .650 lift, so you're good there. i would do CSR or Meziere electric water pump. a melling HV oil pump with a 7-8 quart pan. you need H-beam rods for you're build i-beams wont cut it. callies compstar is what i'm running (crank and rods)

 

wow bro that completes my setup other than trans and driveshaft, now just to total it up and see how much im going to spend.


i mean seriously thanks for the help, you get a ride along when it gets done


now im off to see how much im going to spend, that will be posted next

 

can tell you if you have to buy all that stuff new you're going to be looking at...

s400 1.10- $600
an magnafuel 500- $410
13202 regulator $155 + $90 for the fitting kit
12304 filter $100 for the filter
-10AN feed , -10AN return probably around $200 in SS braided lines or around $60 if you go hardlines
moser 9" with 35 spline axles anywhere from $2500-3500 depending on options
Hellfire rings
brodix track1 heads or afr 220 heads race prep version (or which heads do you recommend?) $1500-2000
csu 800cfm blow through $800
Tial 50mm BOV and VS Racing 60mm wastegate around $550 (i have the 50mm BOV and tial 44mm WG and it was $530 shipped)
Msd Timing Master and 6-AL $230 for the BTM $230 for the 6al
Eldebrock Super Victor Intake $220
4340 h-beam rods : $400 for compstar's
dish pistons 8.5:1 : $500-800 depending on brand
Cam: $250-$300 for solid roller
Water Pump: $250

that still doesnt included hot or cold side tubing, intercooler if you are using one, all the plumbing and oil lines for the turbo, gaskets, hardware, block, crank, radiator, exhaust, carb hat, carb tuning parts, guages, wideband, and misc things...
You're at about $10,000 just on the parts that ARE listed, so you can pretty much double that and that will get you started....then you have suspension and chassis work too...

 

yeah its deff gonna be a 4 year build, but cant wait till its done


whats funny is that im planning to buy a streetbike to entertain me in the meantime, kinda funny to me
lol

 

well since you're enlisting, you dont have any bills (assuming you dont have any debt now) so whatever $$ you make is your's. Plus you'll probably get deployed once or twice, not necessarily Iraq though. so thats more money. right now over seas after a car payment, insurance and a personal loan payment i have $1800/month to do whatever i want with....which is why i am building my car

 

exactly, we are in the same position, im gong in as a E-3 so ill have around 1500 a month to do whatever, im going to have a payment on a bike soon, and probably take leave and enter a few wsop tournys but ill still save most of my money.

 

just as a word of advice...stay away from credit cards you'll get a million offers and will most likely get approved, but they are very addictive....take it from my experience

 

3inch DP fits just fine between the header and block. Possb. 4
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/Car...r/DSC02722.JPG
http://www.cecoatings.com/images/Car...r/DSC02723.JPG

 

hmm thats interesting.
thanks for the pics

 

yeah thanks, those give me some good ideas

 

The 3" DP looks good, but I don't think it is enough for a S400 unit.

 

yeah if i remember correctly the s400 has a 5" outlet? so a 4" would be as small as i would go.

 

Here's what you can expect if you're planning on running a 4" downpipe. You'll have to build your headers around it, but it looks like it should fit. I think there's enough room to fit the S400 in the traditional single-turbo spot (in place of the A/C compressor), however, the compressor inlet will be too close to the front of the radiator. The radiator would have to be moved out of the way somehow or you'd have to go with a narrower 2 or 3 core radiator instead. This is what I'm considering anyway. I can't find a good way to put it in the battery tray and still be able to plumb everything.

There are a couple other factors to consider, such as the heater box. The stock one will probably interfere with the downpipe. The transmission cooler lines and the heater return line will also have to be relocated if putting the turbo where the A/C was. Of course if you're going with an S400 you'll have an external cooler for your TH400, no? (I wouldn't even think about a 700R4)