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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 12:12 PM
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anti lag system FTW

woot i finished up modifying my megasquirt for the true antilag system and i effin love it, 2-3 seconds to build 20 psi of boost

can i use the antilag system threw a muffler? ive only tried it with my open downpipe. and the thing shoots about a 2 ft flame out of it not to mention bangs and pops insanley loud.any risk of blowing up the muffler case?

and what would u guys think a safe max turbine temp would be,im going to install an egt probe right before the turbo inlet to monitor the temps to make sure i dont get things to hot
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 06:32 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

obviously unburnt fuel collecting in the muffler wouldn't be a good idea when it finally lights off.
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Old Jul 13, 2008 | 08:26 PM
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im aware of that but with the muffler being at the end of the ex system i dont think it would coolect any unburnt fuel,since it pretty much all gets burnt pre turbine.but i can see the system maybe building presure up inside the ex system
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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Sounds like a typical timing retard and rich fuel to spool it. Did you try turning off the antilag and see how it spools? Maybe you don't need that much fuel and timing reduction. Keep in mind that beats on the exhaust valves.

What size turbine is on that to need the antilag ECM option enabled?
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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I was just going to ask, what is "antilag" option? Is it only for the first split second of throttle actuation ?

If it is just rich fuel and retarded timing, it will blow your muffler apart. That's a time tested fact - we call it muffler explosions in our industry, and it's extremely dangerous.

1) Run it with no piping at all (current)
2) explore without the anti-lag option.
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 04:14 PM
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its got a small turbine on it right now, ptrim wheel with a t3 .63 housing, im planing ahead for the larger 1.x housing on the 74mm turbo.

on the foot brake i can only get 9psi without the antilag before the brakes wont hold, i can set the antilag so far below my 4k converter that this thing would build boost as high as i have the wastegate,deff gonna make for some fun launches.

and yes im using -10* of ignition timing + an additional 25% fuel

tell ya one thing it makes for one great fire and sound show
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i do knwo alot of the import guys run them with mufflers but there running them dam stright threw mufflers,prettu much the same thing as one of those red cherry bombs, im looking to bolt an adjustable borla catback on the car

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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 04:40 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

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I was just going to ask, what is "antilag" option? Is it only for the first split second of throttle actuation ?
sinc emine is an automatic car i have it hooked to a momentary push button,how it works is u pre stage the car, and press the button and lean into the throttle. at a set tps setting it activates.the first action is 2 rpm limits

my soft limit is set at 2,800 rpms, and the hardlimit is set to 3,300
when the motor is brought upto 2,800 rpms it starts to add extra fuel and retard the timing.
it will continue to do this till 3,300 rpms at which point it acts like a full out revlimit and starts droping sparks.

during this time i will have rolle dinto the stage beams,light goes green u let go of the brake and antilag button and ur off.

on a stick shift car instead of a push button u could wire it to the clutch switch, though an arming switch so u could deactivate it.but everytime u changed gears u could have the antilag system activate and keep the turbo spooled between shifts

very useful in drag applications, but very hard on turbos and ex valves/headers.
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 04:46 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

sounds like ur talkin bout a two step, stutter box etc....

I have a MS which one do you have and how do you have it set up in megatune?
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 04:47 PM
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yeah its a 2 step + timming retard + added fuel, i have a ms1 runing msnextra code lemme take some screen shots of the config and ill post them
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 04:57 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

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yeah its a 2 step + timming retard + added fuel, i have a ms1 runing msnextra code lemme take some screen shots of the config and ill post them
ahh i have an MS II. I think i i figured out how to program a "software" two step in Megatune using an input from one of the unused pins on my clutch switch.

i'd love to get more info on this tho...
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

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ahh i have an MS II. I think i i figured out how to program a "software" two step in Megatune using an input from one of the unused pins on my clutch switch.

i'd love to get more info on this tho...
ms 2 has extra code now dosent it?

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opps forgot to ad dim using the nitrous tables to inject the added fuel, but thers many ways to do it

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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 06:30 PM
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I cant find anything close....

also on a side note when ever i try to load a file set up for MS II code megatune gives me an error and asks if i wanna kill the program, if i do it closes if i say no it opens mega tune but megatune runs slow
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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ive never looked at the ms2 stuff but ill go take a look and maybe i can find it for ya
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

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I was just going to ask, what is "antilag" option?
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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ive never looked at the ms2 stuff but ill go take a look and maybe i can find it for ya
Thanks dude... !
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:23 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

Wouldnt a trans-brake and a 2-step give you the same results and alot less abuse?
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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:27 PM
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well i dont have a transbrake as an option unfortunatley, but yes they could give the same results but, with an antilag system u could run a massive hotside. put it this way with a transbrake and 2 step with a 4k converter id be hard pressed to spool up a turbo with a t4 .1.32 housing with only 173 ci, but with an antilag system that thing woudl spool right up to full boost on the line.

the major advantage is being able to run a huge hotside housing and wheel so u dont choke the motor in the high rpm ranges

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Re: anti lag system FTW

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Old Jul 14, 2008 | 09:37 PM
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heres a good link 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOnYA...eature=related
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Old Jul 25, 2008 | 04:44 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

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I cant find anything close....

also on a side note when ever i try to load a file set up for MS II code megatune gives me an error and asks if i wanna kill the program, if i do it closes if i say no it opens mega tune but megatune runs slow
i found the setings for u man

goto basic settings on megatune,and click on the bottom of the menu were it says basic/advanced user then selecte advanced and u will unlock the launch control and many other features,sorry it took so long ive been dam busy

btw this will open up settings for thingslike traction control nitrous control boost control the antilag etc
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Old Jul 25, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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i found the setings for u man

goto basic settings on megatune,and click on the bottom of the menu were it says basic/advanced user then selecte advanced and u will unlock the launch control and many other features,sorry it took so long ive been dam busy

btw this will open up settings for thingslike traction control nitrous control boost control the antilag etc
i found it under the general tab.... for what ever reason my Megatune looks different than urs...

I activated MSnS extra in the configurator and then set my cars profile code to MSns_Extra and started megatune... mine looks like this.

this is confusing... Also will running the extra code on my MS scrap it or not? i dont wanna fubar my MS with bad firmware
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Originally Posted by Saigon_Bob
i found it under the general tab.... for what ever reason my Megatune looks different than urs...

I activated MSnS extra in the configurator and then set my cars profile code to MSns_Extra and started megatune... mine looks like this.

this is confusing... Also will running the extra code on my MS scrap it or not? i dont wanna fubar my MS with bad firmware

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Originally Posted by Saigon_Bob
i found it under the general tab.... for what ever reason my Megatune looks different than urs...

I activated MSnS extra in the configurator and then set my cars profile code to MSns_Extra and started megatune... mine looks like this.

this is confusing... Also will running the extra code on my MS scrap it or not? i dont wanna fubar my MS with bad firmware
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note the top menu bar is diff than yours

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Old Jul 25, 2008 | 05:56 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

what version of megatune is that, im still using 2.25_p4
u dont need msnextra thats for ms1 cpus, the base ms-2 code has all the features

nm i see u have an older verison
open the configurator and setup a test car with ms-2 code and then do what i posted above to unlock the features

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Old Jul 25, 2008 | 06:15 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

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what version of megatune is that, im still using 2.25_p4
u dont need msnextra thats for ms1 cpus, the base ms-2 code has all the features

nm i see u have an older verison
open the configurator and setup a test car with ms-2 code and then do what i posted above to unlock the features
where can i find the newer megatune program...

when i load the car with the MSII code megatune gets all stupid and runs slow and shitty...

I've yet to test this on the actual car im just trying to get comfy with this b4 i do it
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Old Jul 25, 2008 | 06:18 PM
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im sorry i was wrong i thought i had 2.25_p4 i do onfact have P3 i would backup ur vew files and try to reinstall are u running vista by anychance?

http://www.megamanual.com/files/soft...25p3_setup.exe

u could always try megatunix, which is the unix/linux tunning software but its been ported to windows though on my old *** laptop it ran slower then megatune
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Old Jul 25, 2008 | 06:38 PM
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Re: anti lag system FTW

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im sorry i was wrong i thought i had 2.25_p4 i do onfact have P3 i would backup ur vew files and try to reinstall are u running vista by anychance?

http://www.megamanual.com/files/soft...25p3_setup.exe

u could always try megatunix, which is the unix/linux tunning software but its been ported to windows though on my old *** laptop it ran slower then megatune
i downloaded megatune through diyautotune and it looks like urs and came with the MSII extra code

yea i have vista
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there my be issues with megatune and vista,next time u run megatune right click on the megatune shortcut and click run under xp mode or whatever it says and see if that helps
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Re: anti lag system FTW

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there my be issues with megatune and vista,next time u run megatune right click on the megatune shortcut and click run under xp mode or whatever it says and see if that helps
Hmmm with the D/L i got from DIYautoTune my megatune looks like urs and runs better :dunno:

time to start researching even more. haha cuz the new megatune i got has the MSII extra code and it says something about using a daughterboard and whatnot....
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