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Old Sep 8, 2003 | 07:07 PM
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I guess Thirdgens suck, I wish I knew before I got one

Originally posted by turboscott
I wish I had this problem. My little V6 spins my tires constantly. I can keep the car straight. It will spin them thru the first 3 gears. Why would you want to spin. If you are racing someone from a light you need traction.

Hi guys. I am thinking of buying an Fbody to use as a daily beater. I have a Grand National and don't want to drive that in bad weather or anything it is 2 nice. I have always liked the looks of the fbodys and think they are comfortable. I just never considered them because they weren't posi. But, I am thinking there has to be a kit out there that will allow you to make the rear ends posi. I know GM kept them as peg legs from the factory because they didn't have enough power to spin both wheels but someone must have fixed this issue by now. Any suggestions are welcome.

Arrogant? How. I am seriously considering buying one of these cars, how am I being arrogant. My brother had an 89 IROC 350 LT1 and his wasn't posi. He asked the salesman when he bought it new about getting it and they guy said they don't come like that from the factory. No offense, I think that salesman would know more.

I am not trying to offend anyone or make any friends for that matter. I just want to know if there is a kit to transform the peg leg rear end to a posi. That's it. If you guys are getting bent out of shape it has to be because you know your car doesn't compete with the GN. Nothing to be ashamed of, not many cars do. I am not bashin gyour cars, I am trying to buy one remember. These cars are fun to drive and have their good points. Just because they don't spin the wheels isn't anything.

By the way, the L98 motor you referred to up top comes in the 1998 Z28. Hence, L98! The LT1 comes in the 89 IROC. LT1-stands for Low Tourque 1. That is why it doesn't spin the wheels. It it made more for top end than low end torque.

I wasn't aware most thirdgen owners were such scholars. I have seen guys on here tell me they know more about my GN than I do. So, because you guys are thirdgen owners you are experts on all cars?

TTA's are so fast. I own a GN with some mods and I just about keep up with a stock TTA. My friend has a low mile stock TTA and it throws you in the seat. I don't personally like thirdgen cars but if were to get one it would be a TTA. Well worth the money to anyone considering it. I have another friend who has like 5 thirdgen's. He spends a lot of money on exhausts and stuff to be quicker and he is still not nearly as fast as the TTA. but, when all is said and done he isn't far from the price of a comparable mileage TTA. Another $1000 in mods and you are low 12's high 11's.
Not one word of tech ever from this guy, he comes here to stir the pot. Do a search on his name, I did and came up with all these great words of wisdom. 3 out of 7 of threads he is in are locked. Everyone needs to ignore server-space wasting stuff like this, I wouldnt have wasted my time (and server-space) if this didnt make me super-pissed. If I wanted a Grand National I would buy one, but its cheaper to make my car as fast than to make a GN look or handle like it And yes I do love GNs, just not as much as thirdgen Camaros:rockon:
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 08:40 PM
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i'm laughing like mad over here..... cause that is funny stuff.

hmm, 1995 must be an L95 right?
anyway... yeah, what a tool.:lala:
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 10:40 PM
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ROTFL!! I gotta go find this post!!
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 10:49 PM
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i read it earlier.... but my memory escapes me as to where it is....... i think the tech/general engine board...
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 11:12 PM
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Anyway, he's being watched. Some of his misinformation really makes you go:

Old Sep 8, 2003 | 11:22 PM
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oh yeah.. i found it... it's in the transmission/drivetrain board... ede locked it.

something in the title about a posi.
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 11:50 PM
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That's so full of misinformation it makes you think that he's being sarcastic....
Old Sep 8, 2003 | 11:55 PM
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http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/sho...threadid=96912

Um yeah. Definitely joking.

Please lets not sign up at turbobuick and start a big war. Leave it alone, it just ruins the reputation of TGO.

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Old Sep 9, 2003 | 05:58 AM
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theyre calling us babies? Last time I checked I wasnt over there "thinking my car was all that" and starting anything. Im definatly not going over there to do anything, cause I dont have a buick (grandma car) . What an *** with nothing better to do.
Old Sep 9, 2003 | 05:05 PM
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in my book them calling us babies and crying to each other makes them the little know-it-all babies. this is pointless.everyone is entitiled to their say-so. i dont think my car is the shiznit. i dont think anyone on here does, extensively.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 11:04 AM
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What a tool this guy is. I mean really. I do have a legit question though? 2.73's suck, how can you make your car faster than a GN? I have been trying and I get spanked by every GN I try to race.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 11:30 AM
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Guys, I don't intend on coming over here anymore I just felt the need to explain my other thread. Feel free to ban me if you wish, I have seen how that usually happens to people on this forum when there is a view differing from the majority over here. I don't come over here often so I don't know about the other threads being locked and I don't care enough to look them up to see if it is even true.

I started that thread because there was another thread on this forum that was discussing the motor in the GN and TTA and some guys on this site who have no clue what they are talking about, tried to tell some of my fellow TB.com members we were wrong.

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...26#post1468426

I was just trying to show you guys how frustrating it can be when someone that knows nothing about your cars can argue they know more. the difference is, I knew everything I was saying was wrong. These guys really think they know what they are talking about.

I would invite people to come to TB.com. Maybe they can learn something about our cars so when they discuss them in the future they might be able to talk intelligently.

By the way, I really have nothing against thirdgens. I drive my friend's all the time.

By the way, 2.73- MeanV8 brings up a good question. How do you make your car as fast as a GN? And if it is so cheap to make it that fast, what exactly are you waiting for????

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Old Sep 10, 2003 | 12:48 PM
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"Making your car faster than a GN" is the most worthless generalization you can make as GNs range from beat on high mileage lucky to break 15s stock worn out crap to 7 second monsters. Oddly enough they both look the same.
Semantics are a tricky thing on the internet. There is no assumption on the intonation of your voice when you make a post and a can be interpreted as a joke or an insult. If we would all respect each other's cars and each other regardless of what we drive then we would not have this trouble. However some people have a hubris, as turbos or v8s or v8 turbos tend to give. They think that their car being v8 or turbo means they are somehow better than the next guy because they can be "so fast for so cheap."
It's not cheap to mod cars to go fast no matter what you drive.
After a certain point, normally low to mid 12s you're going to be spending a lot of cash to get extra horsepower and faster times. It's a case of diminishing returns. While you spend $1000 getting to mid 12s you have to spend another $1000 to get to low 12s and so on. Some cars are more expensive to mod than others, of course, but it depends on what base you're working off of.
I'm just going to stop typing cause I'm sure that this pissed someone off but whatever. Can't we all just respect one another and get along?
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 01:15 PM
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totally in agreement here to inwo
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 02:21 PM
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I will never intnetionally bash someone who has a legit opinion and some knowledge to back it up. I don't think the GN is the greatest car on earth. I know it is a nice car and has some advantages and some disadvantages. But when I feel someone is bashing my car or trying to profess to be an expert when they clearly have no clue it frustrates me. There are some crap GN's and nice ones. There are crap Fbody cars and nice ones. I don't profess to be an expert on these cars at all, I am not even an expert on my own car. I respect these cars for what they are. I just wish people over here didn't claim to know more than me about my own car. That's all.
Old Sep 10, 2003 | 07:28 PM
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what I was saying, yea it didnt sound right, was that it would be cheaper to make my car do 13's or 12's or whatever GNs do, than to buy a GN for the speed and make it look and handle like my camaro which would cost a bajillion dollars . and the right thing to do, turboscott, to the guy that was bsing on your sight would be the same thing I did here with you, c'mon guys were all fighting the same war here, against the guy next to you in the staging lane oh yea and I was waiting to find a job, which I did, so everyone watch out Ill be tearing up the asphalt in no time
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 01:23 AM
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Favorite pasttime in iowa

Here in Iowa we cut up G-bodys and make them into dirt bombers. Go to DRTTRAK.com we race STREETSTOCK. We are on our fourth (body) and are about to cut up another this winter. So the value of a GN, Monte, Cutlass, or Regal isnt much where I hang and talk shop. Have some fun cut up one!
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 07:57 AM
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Re: Favorite pasttime in iowa

Originally posted by KEVIN L.
Here in Iowa we cut up G-bodys and make them into dirt bombers. Go to DRTTRAK.com we race STREETSTOCK. We are on our fourth (body) and are about to cut up another this winter. So the value of a GN, Monte, Cutlass, or Regal isnt much where I hang and talk shop. Have some fun cut up one!
Cutting up cars to race or for parts is part of the hobby. I have parted out several 350 TPI cars that were hit hard or recovered thefts etc etc. A good running turbo car (GN or T-type) is worth a sizeable amount of money in parts. If you cut one up to go racing that is good for you but I hope you sell off the parts and don't throw them away or use them on the dirt track, that would be like lighting a match to a pile of $$. I suspect you have cut up numerous Buick G-bodies but not the really valuable turbo ones.

Everyone has their own tastes in cars and that is what makes the world turn. I love thirdgens and the G-bodies. I own 1 of each right now. I had 2 different 350 TPI cars I sold over the last year or two in addition to the parts cars I have sold. I like the ride of the F-body better and I feel more comfortable in the car, but I love cruising into a show or on the local cruising strip in my GN. To each his own if we all had the same car these sites would be pretty boring. Have fun and drive safe!
Old Sep 11, 2003 | 09:18 AM
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Listen guys, I am on both boards and I have both of these cars and then sum. I am not bragging just trying to make a point (look at my SIG) my third gen F body is not an avg. one it is a Twin turbo built to the top w/ 9' rear 400 w/ brake bla,bla,bla. Should be an easy 10-9 sec car. Why did I do this? After driving my GN everything that I have felt slow so I had put tons of money into my f body to feel like it can compete with my GN. I have close to 25K in the TA and I have 7K in my GN. My GN will be faster because I am building a Stage II motor for it now. What I have accomplished with my GN was on stock short block, ran in the 10's 24 MPG, full power, AC, 3800lbs car. Not too many other car owners can say that. All of my toys from the AMG Benz to the Fiero, when I drive my GN, that is when I get the most respect and compliments form all types of crowd. The intimidation the GN put on others sports cars are so awesome that it can only be understood if you drive a GN. When I drive my TTTA people are willing to race me even though it is fast as hell but when I pull in my GN everyone stays away. I guess it have something to do with the "power of the Darkside” All I am saying is that we are all on these boards and we all are united by one reason WE LOVE CARS. That is being said no one should act like they are the expert in every aspect, it will just make look like an idiot like the other guy with building boost in park and neutral What a joker. If you are not sure then shut your pie hole. There are people that are looking to learn will take the BS seriously. What I have stated is just my opinion and my personal experience.

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Old Sep 12, 2003 | 06:51 PM
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Stirring the Pot

I am a member of the buick boards also. I am a member here also even though I rarely post.

I have a Turbo Trans Am so I guess I would fit into both boards.

The problem is that the last time ThirdGen.org was brought up on the TurboBuick boards, the Mods here were the ones showing their ignorance and banning and deleting any posts by turbo buick guys because they (at least one of them) thought that TTA's were boring, slow, and ugly (being as all of them were white) and whatever else he said about them. Needless to say, it left a bad taste in alot of people's mouths. IMO it wasn't TurboScott that started with the misinformation and it wasn't him that started the fued between the Buick boards and ThirdGen.org, it was the misinformed/totally-clueless poeple that have argued wrong points on this board and unfortunately spread the misinformation on to others on this board which continue spreading BS................ All any of the Buick guys have done is try to inform the uninformed and every time we do, it turns into this whole "Fued" deal where we end up getting banned. Now is it understood why I only have a couple posts and been a member for quite some time. It is because the mods and users on this board cannot handle being corrected when they talk out of their A$$

Anyways, back under my ThirdGen TurboBuick.
Old Sep 15, 2003 | 01:36 PM
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Roommate posted on my name. Sorry all.

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Old Sep 15, 2003 | 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by Matto'85TA
I just read the last post on the tb.org board and the last post hopefully sets things straight. I know who posted it too I ain't tellin either.

Matt

Actually he has no idea what he is talking about, might want to get his facts straight b4 spewing off at the mouth.
Old Sep 27, 2003 | 09:16 PM
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wtf? why is there fighting between the same family? wtf is this crap. This is what i hate. Its bad enuff that we hear crap from eveyrone else about our cars... you would think that people would have mutal respect for eachother just because we are all of the same blood basicly. I treat all GM cars as a family and only untill they act like tools does it **** me off. Im very brand loyal when it comes to speed. Why the fighting? I dont even know wtf happed up top...and i see now that he was kidding. I hope so. Anyone with any knowlage of GM cars knows that all the above was crap. Why bash on thirdgens? Im sick and tired of third gens getting bashed by other GM makes. Its like the forgotten gen. No one ever wants to drive one cause there red neck junk, or they dont have power(like every other car made in the world has 450hp). third gens are gunna be a power to be focked with later on. They have late model handling with engine bays that still can house a big block! If fellow GM members are gunna knock there one of there own... then this whole muscle car thing was all wrong in the first place. To me, all of GM must kill all the world. as stupid as it sounds... its what made the muscle car era! If this didnt happen, there would be no muscle cars... and we would all be driving 50-60mpg hybrid/electric tasteless cars.
Old Sep 27, 2003 | 09:38 PM
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It's like you have a lousier impression of Thirds then they do?! I don't know/meet any1 that feels that way about them, but anyway, locked.
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