I noticed there is a forum for every thing else but the Iron duke 4 cylinder. There my not be alot of people that like it or want to belive the f-body came with one. But it did and there are people that like them. So it would be nice to have a spot for the iron duke to call home and not get bashed by everyone that dosn't like it. Plus it would be nice to go there and find exactly what you need and not have to wade trough a million post when you do a search. Plus you could ask questions and get answers from people that own one that don't visit the other fourums on a regular bases. Anyways. I think it would be nice to have for the people that own f-bodys that people wish never exsisted. Thanks for listining. Adam :-)

 

i agree that there should be an Iron Duke(4 cylinder) Forum.

 

I've thought about this ever since I've been a member on the boards....were's the love?

it seems as if more and more are showing up on these boards.

-bill

 

heh, yeah we got like what. 3 now?

I had an iron duke in my boat actually when I bought it a few years ago.

-- Joe

 

i dont have one. I think there should be a forum though. There is a forum for V6's, why not the iron dukes.

 

Sounds more like a group support board than a tech board.

-- Joe

 

That sounds like a great idea.

 

I got one!

 

No it's not for me anyways. I don't even own one. It's just that you guys have a forum for everything else. Why not be thourgh and have one for all aspects of the third gen f-body. Adam :-)

 

Where is our forum, I still don't see it yet? LOL

 

I agree.Wheres the duke forum.

 

yes,where is the duke forum.all the v8ers hate us fourbangers.

and we hate the honda dorks.

so where are we supposed to go.

oh and if anyones interested,here is the biggest baddest 4 banger ever built .



http://search.ebay.com/mercruiser-47...sPageNameZWLRS

 

come on,how about throwing us a bone?


the 2.8v6 is just as weak as the 2.5l4.

how come we dont get our own place to post.

i know everyone with a duke could use a little help.


its only fair.

 

Thats why we have an engine swap board. Feel free to post questions on swapping from your duke to a v8 there.

-- Joe

 

That's not the point. There are alot of us with Dukers who want to keep our cars that way. There are questions and answers that some of us have about our engines, and who would be better to answer these questions than owners of the Duke?

 

Want to keep it that way? ok.

I think most of those questions can be fielded in the general engine board. You guys are a very small percentage. I don't see the need, but maybe Dirk will dissagree.

- Joe

 

it doesnt matter how many of us have a duke.

the fact is some of us do have one and we like it and its a third gen fbody just like yours.we have just as much right to be here as you.

its discrimination and we dont like it,just because we dont have a v8 we dont need a place for us to discuss our engines?

thats bull**** and you know it,you could have spent two minutes adding a place for us,instead you just tell us to get a v8.


i bet more people would have questions about there duke if they had someplace to disdcuss it without constant harrass ment to get a v8.

IF WE WANTED A V8 WE WOULD HAVE ONE!!!!!

the v6 is a bigger piece of **** then the duke could ever be,but it has its own board.

stop being a 4banger bigot and recognize our right to be here just as much as you.

 

I'm sure there are specific questions about Iron Dukes.

Thirdgen.org membership is growing, so you're going to have more and more iron duke owners.

I think it would do more help than harm to open a forum for these guys.

 

I totally agree with you, and thanks for the support.

 

to the moderater.

its stupid to treat us duke owners like second class citizens because we have diffrent motor.

instead of arguing against us,why not recognize we own fire birds and camaros too.

who will be discrimanted against next?
2.8 v6 guys?
then3800v6 guys?

then the 305 guys?


just put up our own place,or get some one who can.
if want a v8 only forum,go get one,but this is for ALL
fbody third gen cars,not just the ones YOU like.
if you cant see that you shouldnt be a moderater.

 

We've been through this before and it never goes anywhere. Why? Simple. It's because every time this comes up we ask for all the owners to come out and show themselves to see if it justifies there being a board and I don't think we've ever had more than 10 people show up. That won't get a board on TGO and it's not worth it when this topic can be discussed on numerous boards.

 

With all due respect I still think you guys are missing the point. Not everyone who owns a third gen with the duke is on here all the time. Posting a poll about this doesn't seem the right way to go about it. When I bought my car this summer and did alot of searching I came upon this site and I am now here everyday. I knew I had an Iron Duke and I never said a word about it because of the bashing I saw when I did searches. Every other third gen owner who happens upon this place can find a wealth about their V6 or v8 and I don’t think it would kill you all to open a forum for the Duke. Most are even scared to mention that they have the duke because of the abuse they get. Now if there was a forum and people had questions, suggestions, or ideas the duke owners would have a certain home of their own. I don't think this is too much to ask because the Duke is a part of the third gen world that is here to stay.

 

In the closet dukers lol

to all the duke owners....there ya go.IROCTWENTYGR8 said it best.So it looks like you guys need more dukers to join the militia to get a forum going.

 

well you dukers... search the boards...pm all the iron dukers you know and see what happens...

 

I've tried getting a roll call a few weeks ago.....

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=315812

 

well i think you need to pm the guys. I myself dont visit the history/restoration board too often.

 

in the amount of time the moderaters spend arguing against a duke forum,you could have just put one in.

what the hell? why is it so hard to add one section for the duke?

you have a v6 forum,but not a four banger forum.

that doent make any sense.this motor came in the car from the factory for the first 3 years of third gen production.
it is the BASE MOTOR FOR *** SAKES!!!!all the others are OPTIONS!!!!

and you still refuse to give it its own rightful place with the other motors.

why dont you just get rid of the v6 forums? everyone knows its not as powerful as a v8,so why even bother with it?

because its a motor that came in the car,have you even read the title of the web site?

its called thirdgen,not v8s only. so if it came in the third gen it should have a place with everything else.

hell ,why not just say no talking about cloth seats,only leather?

this stone walling is pointles and its annyoing.


why is recognizing a four cylinders right to exsist so damn hard?

this is....

 

this is america so democracy should rule....

and since this only applies to duke owners,they should be the only ones allowed to vote. [the v8 predjudice in this place is staggering]


so we have 1 for me.



who else want to vote and owns a duke?

 

You have a vote from me. I will post an add on e-bay if the moderators have no objection and see if I can get other Duke owners to join.

 

well whats stupid,is the duke is the base motor,its what the car came with stock,all the v6s and the v8s were options.

its pointless to discredit an entire segment of ownership based on motor size.hell the v8s only had 70 hp on the duke anyway!!!


and why would we want information about our motors from the swap forum? that doesnt make sense.

 

may have only been 70 hp more but how much torq??

the duke was the worst thing they could have put into a "sports car" ....LOL

not many people out there building up thier iron dukes these days from what ive heard most are scraping them in place of a good v-8 .....

I dont think we shouldnt have a forum for the duke engines in the cars but I do think it would be rather bare in terms of input and tech advice on them ......

 

If the L4 gets to have a forum, it's only fair that the V8 gets to have its very own forum too (it doesn't presently, in case you hadn't noticed). Actually no, that wouldn't be fair, then all the V8s would be lumped together, we'd have to have separate 305 and 350 areas. But then there's the one-piece and two-piece RMS blocks, they'll need their own forums too. And eventually the 383 owners won't be happy having to associate with the unstroked 350 masses, so they'll want their own board. And what if they're using moly rings instead of cast? Hypereutectic or forged instead of cast pistons?

Nobody is discriminating against anyone. You're not being told to go away because you have an L4. You're more than welcome to post on any L4-related topic on any relevant forum. If you're unsure what forum your posts belong on, use the Tech/General Engine forum. The only outcome that would arise out of the creation of an iron duke forum would be to create a place where V8 bigots could easily and efficiently heap their scorn upon their ignorant L4 cousins in a concentrated fashion without having to expend any efford in hunting them down.

This isn't America, it's the Internet. This is no democracy. It's a private board owned by private individuals, who can do with the board as they see fit, and if you or I or anyone doesn't agree with it we all have the freedom to turn our backs on it and go elsewhere. You can even start up an entire other website dedicated to the iron duke in all its glory if you so choose.

If it was a democracy, how could restricting a vote to iron duke owners possibly be democratic? If the majority of members on the board are V8 owners, the majority of them don't want an iron duke forum, and consequently there isn't one, then that's democracy in action. Isn't it beautiful?

 

the vote would only effect duke owners so it only applies to duke owners.

its like having a national election to vote in a mayor.


and besides,the duke WAS the base motor in the car, ALL other motors were gm options.

and who ever would moderate a duke forum would weed out people just starting crap.

every time we have any question about our motor we get 10,000 people telling us to just swap in a v8!!!

it gets really old after a while,because if we wanted a v8 ,we would have bought one.

and you do have to admit there are alot of people who have a severe prejuduce against the iron duke.



oh,the v8 guys have more then enough resources avialible to them,there is thousands of posts about v8s,millions of parts availible,and endless people who have them.

but the there are very few duke owners, information is scarce at best,parts and information are hard to find,we need a concentrated place to put information .hell,most people dont even know the fbodys ever had a four banger!!let alone have one.


but those who do would like our own place to call home,

besides ITS THE BASE MOTOR IN THE CAR!!!!!!

 

Apples to Oranges. To break down a forum to isolate 305 to 350, cams to rockers, pistons to cranks is silly. A v8 is a v8 no matter what size or composition, a six is a six and so on.

L4 forum
V6 forum
V8 forum

Seems simple enough to me.

There were three engines availible to these cars 4 cyl, 6 cyl, and 8 cyl. Lump the 4's the 6's and the 8's to their own respective forums and there you have it. To break it down any farther than that would be unessesary.


Im not standing on a soap box here. Im just making a simple observation that would seem to make the most sence out of all of this.

I can absolutely care less if someone makes fun of my car for being a 4 cylinder. I like it, i cant afford to change it so that's the way its gonna be. I don't get on here and make fun of people for having 6's or 8's either. It's your car do what you want with it.

People often take so much offense on how their car is treated and how they treat their cars. People let their car's define who they are and take things too personally.

I don't know...maybe I've grown out of the phase where a car is everything to me. There are certainly more important things to life than a car.


I vote yes for a forum for L4, V6 and V8 forum. Do I think the L4 forum will be well populated? No. But to have a resource availible for someone who will need it could be invaluable.

just my .02 cents

 

aren't there already v8 forums? TPI, TBI, Carburetors. I think you could ask V8 questions there.

 

yeah the v8 guys seem to have a wealth of forums to chose from.

the v6 guys have their own forum allready.


but the duke guys get the cold shoulder.

 

lol

 

Why dont you just swap in a v8 then the problem would be solved

 

wow,your a laugh riot.

 

I could vision the thread titles in the duke forum already like"why is my car slow"


I can vision the respones too..........like"its because you have a 4 banger"

 

Theres nothing wrong with a 4banger. For example, a Honda V-tec, GM ecotec, etc.

The iron duke in a f-body was a joke at engineering, that GM execs didn't realize it was a joke, and by the time the marketing material was printed the engineers didnt wanna let in on it.

Everyone makes mistakes. For Iron duke owners, it was simply to not keep going when seeing the "for-sale" sign.

-- Joe

 

i seriously doubt the ridicule/bashing will ever stop over the 4 cylinder powered firebird/camaro. I don't really know why anyone would have bought one in the first place other than the fact they wanted economy with the beautiful f-body styling.

Compare other cars from the same year and you can really see how "ahead of it's time" the fbody really was.

When I bought my iron duke bird I was a nieve teenager who always wanted a firebird. I didn't care that it was a four cylinder, I just cared that it was a FIREBIRD!

Ive since made some visual changes to the car to try and get it away from the low optioned stock form (rid the 14inch wheels, upgraded suspension, interior and such).

Make fun of the cars all you want for being four cylinders. These motors weren't designed for power but for economy. They are really tough to break too.

My bird gets me around town from point A to point B consistently and with a lot of style. Quite frankly that's all I need.

-bill

 

slow?yes

but thats mostly because parts and knowledge to make them faster is almost impossible to find.


with a little work you can double the hp and tq of the stock duke.try doing that do a na v8 for less then $1000.

but most people dont know that,mianly because there is not a
place for the information to be shared.

fbody duke owners have to go to s10 and fiero sites just to get info,and even then its not specific for the fbody cars.

oh,but after market stereos gets an entire forum on here?

hell,the v6 forum says its the base model for the car!!!

WRONG!!!

its the under appreciated iron duke,every other motor in a
third gen fbody is an option.

from the crappyv6 to the big *** v8s,they were just options that somebody bought .


i wonder how many duke owners have come to this site and been ridiculed until they just leave?

not to mention the fact no one on here knows the first thing about the duke,other then it ''needs to be swapped for a v8''.

it IS four banger bigotry and stupid.

and with gas at $3 and rising how long can you really afford to drive a v8?

the duke may be under powered and under appretiated but its still deserves to be on here as much as any other OPTIONAL motor.

its and you know it.

 

Wellington has a strong argument with many good points as to why the dukers should have there own forum............




what kinda gas mileage numbers do these dukes give out anyways

 

im estimating about 25 city. my speedo and odometer dont work so i just have to guess based on other cars mileage reading for the same drive.


gm claims 40 hiway!!!! and i have heard its possible,but not likely.

i still have some things to change,like cap and rotor,and anew computer and afew more sensors,and springs and it should get much better milage.

the oxygen sensor and map sensor almost doubled my milage!

and some fiero guys have said they changed their computers and doubled their milage after the car was getting older and their milage had drooped.


im sure i can get 30 city out of it,but it will be a while.

 

What? There is nothing ahead of its time on a thirdgen.

 

No, it's because the motor is junk. Like I said, I used to have one.

After about 180hp the block becomes unstable. And you can double the HP output of a v8 for about $500. It's called nitrous.

Why dont you start a iron duke support site then?

I was recently looking at fiero's. Almost every link I hit was "how to put a v8 in your fiero". Hrmm

v6 was base model for my year ('91).

No idea, again, why don't you start your own support site?

Why, have you asked everyone?

Nothing wrong with four bangers. Just the duke.

As long as I want. I'm not 16.

No it's realistic. Start a duke support site, or take it to general/engine.

-- Joe

 

the fbody was the most futuristic thing on the road in 82!!

it had some of the first computers and the best body styling on an american car.

in fact i would like to know what car was better looking and had more technology then the 82 fbody.

 

the first fbodies came with the duke.

all others were options until 86 when the duke was dicountinued in fbodies.


and yes you can get power from a duke,the block is fine its the crank and pistons that are weak.

and i said NA v8,nitrous is a form of forced induction.


also i do have my own duke site, its a yahoo group called

irondukefbodys.

but i have tried getting info on the tech boards,no one knows anything about them.

like the cap and rotor,do YOU know how to change them?
i bet not,the only ones who do are duke owners and i cant find and ask all of them.

 

Look at the body style of the fbody compared to the other cars in GM's lineup at the time. (besides the corvette).

I'd rather look at a firebird or camaro over a Chevette any day.