Larry Dunlap

Car shows are great, but I think we ought to plan an official drag race meet. This wouldn't be until the fall at the earliest, winter better due to the weather. If people are interested, I will take the lead in organizing it.

It should be at HRP to get the full 1/4 mile, either Friday night or Saturday night, depending on the track schedule and racers schedule. You can come and watch, but you have to declare before hand if you are going to race. When we get a list of racers we will organize a pairing setup like they do in tennis (something Im familiar with, I don't know how they do it in NHRA). This is, based on best times as reported HONESTLY by the racers, you make pairing so that the fastest race the slowest in early rounds, thus making it more likely the fastest meet in the later rounds. Before we go to the track I will make a pairings sheet, eliminations sheet, and the races will go off like that and we just fill it in each race.

Everything is heads up, none of this bracket racing crapola. Winners advance. If we get enought cars (at least 8) we could have a losers bracket, where losers in the first round pair off and have their own eliminations.

Winner gets a trophy.

Now heres how I see it in terms of cars that have actually raced. Im not talking about someone who thinks they have a fast car and never races, you've got to race and prove it

Fastest car - Texas LT1

Next group - Me fastest, with Zap Racing and Steven K right behind.

Next group - Barry, then everyone else

Potentially fast, dont race - Mike of course, and Kevin, also Pasky if he gets the bugs worked out

Now if you feel like Ive misclassified you or left you out, let me know, then prove me wrong at the race.

What do yall think?

Zap Racing

Sounds EXCELLENT--OK you're in charge!

I'm definately in!

Got the perfect name for it too!

"THE FALL BRAWL!!"

OR

"THE FALL BRAWL SHOOTOUT!"

Yes, I agree, We would definately want/need to wait until October/November when it starts cooling off.

Maybe by then Mikeee can get a clutch in his car?

3.1EyeCandy

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I think to get some extra turnout - have a "most determined" or "Longest Stamina" award for the slowest 3rdgen to show up.

If you guys plan this thing on a long weekend I might even be able to make a trip down

1bad91Z

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First off, I doubt TexasLT1 is the "Fastest" ! lol


2nd - I just may have a clutch by then and take home a trophy!


and C. - Git R Done !

StevenK

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By the time this happens, you will all be in a world of hurt

Zap Racing

I hear everybody TALKING!!!

Zap Racing

Are we allowed to show up and compete with a "borrowed" car as long as it's a thirdgen?

Does it have to be street legal?

StevenK

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No you can not borrow someone elses car because you know yours is too slow....

k's89rs

ill have a good handling car..........that sounds like fun though id love to see some **** talking and racing. but by no means will i talk smack to anyone cuz i lost badly to an Integra a couple of nights ago. I will definitly be down there!

rudyt5000

any room for us 305 guys ? im willin to race if this event takes place bring on the smack talk 305 guys

lr90classic

I am in if even for kicks and giggles and yes mine will be one of the 305er's and we should have who is the quickest light.

89 bird 305TBI

83Blackwidowz28

I'm game, even though im gun'n a six shooter i'll have my tranny and new gears by then Besides i'm sure there has got to be atleast one other sixer out here in Houston whos as fearless as me. I'll take em all on wooha

Zap Racing

Yeah, in thinking about it, theredoes need to be some divisions. The heads up deal in good in concept, but there's no way it would be fair.

I think:
V-6's
305's
L-98 350's
LT + LS series

and then of course there would be lots of just go old fashion match races.

Thoughts?

xtremeirocz

well ill have my 6.0 in by august the way things are looking. i think the divisions is a good idea and what about nitrous class? cuz ill be running gas on mine

Larry Dunlap

Hmm, I was thinking just simple one class, heads up, run what you brung. But with everything from 6.0 L Nitrous car to a V6, maybe we better have some classes. Makes things a lot more complicated for me, since I opened my big mouth and volunteered to organize things.

I would think borrowing a car would be a bad idea, we want to run our own cars, the cars that everyone knows and we slave over to make go faster.

4 classes is a lot, I doubt we would have enough cars for that. There is only a few V6s and a few LT LS cars. Most are 350 and 305. How about just two classes, 350 and up, 305 and down. A fast v6 could compete with a stock 305, and modified 350s L98 should compete with a LT. Now I don't know about the LS1s or a 6.0 L.

Why doesnt everyone who wants to race put down your name and where you fit in to these groups?

Like

Larry Dunlap - 350 L98

etc, I will compile a list and then we can see how many we have and what divisions will be best

xtremeirocz

it sounds good to me. all i have to do is get the 5,7 ls1 heads out of the machine shop and get the harness and ill have most everything so i should have the 6.0 ls1 swap done by the time this thing is taking place

Larry Dunlap

OK, so far we have

Larry Dunlap - 350 L98
xtremeirocz - 6.0 L LS1

Who else wants to race?

xtremeirocz

what date are you looking at for this larry? october? november?

Zap Racing

There's NO WAY the v-6's can compete against even a slow 305. They have to have their own "class" so to speak. Fbod's was the quickest I've ever seen that was a street driven car and he even had a 100 shot nitrous on it and was barely breaking into the 9's at an 1/8 mile.

305's against 350's is a mismatch as well. If U want to get people to get behind this thing and participate, where they know they at least have a shot, the 305's need their own class as well.

L-98 350's against guys that have swapped in an LT-1 or even worse, an LS-1 or LS-6, by all right should not even be close to each other.

Don't get me wrong, I love the concept here, and I'm not trying to make things difficult, but I still think we need to break it down into the following 4 catagories.

V-6's
305's
350's
LT-1 and LS-1 ( all that fall into that family of 2nd gen design small blocks)

No seperate division for nitrous cars.

Yes I thik we should give an award for the best reaction time of ALL classes combined.

Sonar_un

I wouldn't say NO WAY to V6's vs 305's. I know Fbod's car would run circles around my 305 TBI. Without the nitrous. Oh yeah, and that 9's was not on a 100 shot. It was a 50 shot.

Zap Racing

Doing 4 classes would not be that hard--actually probably easier than multiple crs in on 2 classes.

Just set up 4 ladder elimination charts--just like any elimination tournament in any kind of event, including a losers second chance ladder, probably only for the 305 and the 350 class, cause like U said, probably not enough in the other 2 classes.

I have done this MANY, MANY, MANY times in other events similar to this, and I will be glad to help set it up and work out all the bugs.

Sue said she would help do the paperwork/eliminations at the event.

Zap Racing

Regardless of what or how the divisions are set up--I'm in!

Zap Racing--Craig Landry--modified L-98 350--best 1/4 to date--13.491

Zap Racing

So...is that saying something about how good Fbod's V-6 runs or how bad your 305 TBI runs?

Larry Dunlap

The date is kind of open. October or November. Depends on Texas LT1 too, I definitely want him to be there as he is one of the most avid racers in group.

I appreciate the offer of help. That would be perfect to have Sue actually recording results as we would be divided between racing and orgainizing.

It still seems to me that a lot of classes is not the way to go, but I think we should wait and see how many are actually interested it racing, commit to coming and what category they fit into. If there are only two cars in the LT1/LS1 class, thats not much of an elimination. If we have plenty of cars then lets go with the 4 classes.

If the categories are too narrow, then you cant have the surprise victory over a faster car that you sometimes have in racing. If the categories are too wide then its just stupid, like when I raced a dragster in Test and Tune.

The list so far


Larry Dunlap - 350 L98
Zap Racing - 350 L98
Barry - 350 L98
Texas LT1 - 350 LT1


xtremeirocz - 6.0 L


Who else? come on, put in your name and stats to be added to this list

Zap Racing

They may not want to committ, unless they know they have a shot !

At least, I think we should have 3 divisions.

V-6
305's
350's all styles

Larry Dunlap

sounds good, lets go with that. I guess it will be hard to get a commitment without a date, or at least a range of dates. I really would like to hear from Texas LT1 as to when he can participate.

I agree about nitrous. If you can put nitrous on your car, and have spent the time and money to beef it up so it won't break, you deserve to win.

LETS GET READY TO RUUUMMBBBLE!!

Zap Racing

Yeah even if there are only a couple v-6's we at east need to offer a seperate class and if there is not enough, thn just have to group them together with th 305's.

When? First thing I suggest is U look at some long range weather forecast web sites and see when the temp actually starts going back down. Then figure out a range in dates that would be good and see when everybody can make it.

TexasLT1

Larry, you KNOW I'm in on this Thanksgiving break is the next time I'll be home so figure Friday, November 25th if you want to plan this around me. If y'all want to do it sooner, thats cool too because I need a heavier duty driveshaft before I go back to the track. However, I may be home *much* sooner and permanently, so I'll post up if that happens.


Mike, don't get all butt hurt already, as Larry said in the original post, I'm the fastest of the proven racers that actually show up to the meets. With what we've seen from you so far, you're in the second "Next group" .

Zap Racing

1bad91Z

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HAHA .....

Well, you know with a topic like this that I had to throw the hot poker in the fire!

If I'm there, put me down for Naturally Aspirated Mod L98.

and StevenK - if all goes well this year, your little LS-1 wont have a chance!

And yes, I will be keeping all future mods under G-14 classified, so don't even ask!

TexasLT1

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rudyt5000

i'll race 305 or any 350 at least it will look cool

83Blackwidowz28

I dont know how many other v-6's r out there maybe they dont have big enough cajones to come out and challenge a v-8. I'm willing to go up against a 305 or 350. besides i should have my 5-speed and gears by then to scurr a few of you . I'm fine with a v-6 class if there is enough of us and if i have to i dont mind being put in another class. just my or maybe i just like to talk alot of **** who knows, who cares its all in fun.

Larry Dunlap

OK great, now we are getting some action. Let me see if I have this up till now

Larry Dunlap - 350 L98
Zap Racing - 350 L98
Barry (IM putting him in although he hasnt' confirmed) 355 L(*
Texas LT1 - LT1
Mike 1badz etc - 350 L98

Rudy 305

Black widow - V6

xtremeirocz - 6.0 L LS

Need to hear from Steven K to see if he is going to make it. If he does, the rest of us don't need to show up

Id sure like to see kevin with his formula Superramm, etc.

Where is Mike (from the last meet, young quiet guy) with a 305?

What about Owen, and all the old guys that used to show up, Sonar, Rocky, etc?

REally, like I said, showing your car is OK, but you need to back it up by racing. INfrequent racing will not trash your car, and it will do you soul a world of good.

I think we should plant it for NOvember, thanksgiving break, when Texas TL1 is around. Gives all you "works in progress" plenty of time to get her ready

TexasLT1

after ripping a 99 body style Mustang GT a new one tonight, I'm definitely down for this 6 lengths was pretty fun. I didn't tell him that I didn't really launch it though









*Edit* Larry, you been drinkin' a few tonight? I see a lot of slurred typing

Zap Racing

So, I take it U got the vibration issue fixed? It was the pinion bearing? Have to remember that. When U took the driveshaft back to the shop they said they would not rebalance it until U had it straightened. Was it NOT straight, or did U leave it and go back together?

By the way, since we are tlaking about this big drag racing meet, what kind of times are U running anyway? Done anything that would make it run faster since the last time u ran?

TexasLT1

Vibration issues mostly fixed, still got a slight one that I don't feel like tracing down. It was not the pinion bearing, it was infact the driveshaft.

I'm still not sure what really happened with the driveshaft. They never said anything about it being bent/twisted the first time I took it to them, and I never got on the car at all before I took it back to them because I was breaking in the clutch, so I guess they didn't catch it before. The comment about them not rebalancing it was due to the fact that he knew I'd twist it or bend it again because the stocker D.S. is too small for my setup and if I get a good launch (like I should now) I am liable to twist the damned thing in 2. They went ahead and straightened it and rebalanced it, but I'm not going to do any serious racing until I can have a 3" or 3.5" steel shaft made, hopefully before Thanksgiving.

As far as the car, my best so far has been a 12.87 at 109.7 or something, check my sig. That was with a severely glazed flywheel and a somewhat grippy Centerforce Dual Friction clutch. I now have a fresh flywheel, Spec Stage 3 ceramic clutch, T-56, 4.11 gears, and fresh Nitto's. I didn't have a chance to head back to the track before I left, so any times I throw out are pure speculation.

1bad91Z

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Dont mind the whistling sounds coming from under my hood!

xtremeirocz

1bad91z, your my hero

TexasLT1

I've heard WD-40 is good for slipping belts.


Hey Craig, remember what I said at the meet?


What happened Mike, couldn't handle getting beat by Craig, had to use your bull**** "my clutch sucks. wanna give me a new one?" line to slap a blower on?

Zap Racing

Larry Dunlap

Thats the way I always type, barely in control!

Mike, Whistling shmistling, I want to see a fast black Camaro going down the 1/4 mile drag strip

StevenK, I would be happyt to race your new LS1 car. If it shows up and beats me, the trophy is yours.

Texas LT1, 12.87 is good, I should be running about 13.2 or less, so with a good reactin time and a missed or bad shift, I got a chance (no missed shifts with an automatice you know).

Now xtremeirocz with 6.0 L nitrous, I dont' have a snappy comeback for that one.

I hope we get a lot of cars and do a lot of racing. Franlky Ive been dissapointed at past meets. A lot of standing around and little racing. When I go to a drag stip, Im not having fun unless IM racing

TexasLT1

Hence why I bailed out so early at the last one. Just wasn't my idea of a fun afternoon.

xtremeirocz

good thing is that since we have so much notice we can get our stuff ready. i had already set the end of august as when i was gonna get my swap done by so that should be plenty of time for this meet. ill probably drive my car to the july meet for its last hooraah on the tpi motor then start pulling it apart. i already have spohn mounts, the motor , ecm , exhaust all the sensors, ls6 intake and maf , motor and heads, most accessories, right now im just getting the oddball bolts and nicknacks together and ill be ready. the nitrous i already had on my car and have had forever so might as well put it on the ls1

StevenK

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The car is going down for work on the 9th. I seriously hope it doesnt take more than a month to get er done.

So hopefully you guys will see my taillights at the track

Larry Dunlap

Well I hope you get your car going with the new setup. I like to see everyone improving their car, especially such a big jump like yours. My next mod has got to be at least cam and heads, I ve got the LPE219 cam and would like to get AFR 180s or so. I read where this setup will do low 12's so we could again be competitive. IM not sure to just do that or do a 383 stroke and bottom end rebuild at the same time. Will depend on how high the price of oil goes I guess, haha

see you there man

TexasLT1

yeah good luck with that




Larry, heads and cam all the way, do the stroker later on when you need a bottom end rebuild. Do it, do it, do it!

1bad91Z

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Who said anything about a blower?

I'll be making a naturally aspirated pass in front of anyone who wants to be there at the time when I put the clutch in.

AND, after that, once I have the real basleine for the car, well............ there's a few more parts I want to add to the car.

Like I said............. G-14 classified!

TexasLT1

bwahahahahaaa. right, because this comment,

doesn't indicate a blower or turbo.

Zap Racing

Maybe it's just a REALLY BAD vacuum leak?