I bought a Zeitronix ZT-2 wideband setup (the one that will simulate the narrowband for the ECU) but it doesn't go down into ethanol AFR range which is the fuel I'm going to be using. I just emailed them to see if they'll refund my cash but if someone local (Tucson) wants it, I'll sell it for $279. Everything is brand new, in the box, never installed. No display, just the wideband, software, etc.... the basic kit.

I know what a WB02 is but thats about all...If I knew more about it I might be interested...I know the basics...What do you mean no display

There's no gauge. You either read it using a laptop, a voltmeter, or plugging it into a spare input on the ECM and using the ALDL connector. You can buy an LCD display from them off their website, though.

It outputs a 0-5V signal based on AFR, but in order to get more "granularity" for accuracy in regular gasoline range, they eliminated some of the ranges that'd be way off for using gas. AFR of gas is 14.7, AFR of ethanol is 9. 0 is 9.5 AFR on their output.

I am sorry all I am seeing is

That made no sense to me at all..So how would that thing help me tune my car?

Oh. I thought you knew what it was. hehe

The stock O2 sensor is only accurate at the perfect fuel ratio, 14.7. So if you're trying to get the perfect tune you're not going to get it because if you're off in either direction, you'll never know how far off you are. You can ballpark it, but after you tune with a WB02 you never go back. It'll tell you I need X amount of fuel at Y RPM and Z MAP/MAF instead of the "I'm a little lean" of the regular sensor. You can also tune a little leaner to save gas mileage if you wanted.

Basically, the stock O2 is an on/off switch and the WB tells you everything. That's how Grumpy in the PROM forum has described it in the past.

So are you saying if I had that I would need to burn prom's?

You wouldn't *need* to, but that's what 99% of people use it for. If you didn't have prom burning equipment you could hook up a laptop and look at what your tune looks like. Maybe adjust fuel pressure a little to tune it.

So does it come with everything to hook upto a laptop?
And can I make adjustments to things with the laptop?
And How quickly are you looking to get rid of said equip?
And Do you provide training with said equip?
And is this just for AFR?
And what about spark, timing, so on and so on?
And I think thats all my questions.. LOL

It comes with the software and the cable to hook the sensor to a laptop.

You can't make adjustments with the laptop unless you have PROM burning stuff.

It's a race, either someone buys it or Zeitronix refunds my money. Whichever comes first.

I could.

Just AFR unless you purchase additional sensors from Zeitronix.

You'd need an ALDL cable to read spark, etc...

And I think that's all my answers.

I live in Tucson, but if you (or any potential buyers) come to my house I can show you all the other equipment, how to use it, etc... I can even TIG weld in O2 bungs for the exhaust or whatever if it's needed.

What is ALDL?

All what other equipment?

Ever had to short pins to read trouble codes on a TPI car? The port you stick the paperclip in is the ALDL port. You can query the computer through that port with a laptop to tell you the status of the engine (RPM, spark, coolant temp, injector duty cycle, everything.)

The other equipment would be an EPROM burner and the ALDL cable which both hook into the laptop. My setup is old by today's standards, but it still works great.

Welding a bung hole on someones exhaust sounds a little kinky to me.

I never said anything about a hole, Beavis.

And for what it's worth, I'm impressed with Zeitronix's support. I've been emailing back and forth with their sales people, even at midnight.

They say the setup will read ethanol Lambda, but I'm trying to explain to them that I need that info on the analog output so I can plug it into an ECM, Lambda is only done on a laptop or their LCD display.

I know butthead... but it was funny.
Say goodnight Gracie!

It's a great setup. If I hadn't swapped to carb I was gonna buy one.

I had an O2 setup on my dual carb VW. I had that thing jetted perfect. Gauge never moved a bar no matter what I did.

Hey I am getting that Thing again

So are you tellin me you can learn me how to burn them thar chip thingys?

And maybe give me a flippin clue as to what to buy to do it myself.

Instead of buying a whole bunch of crap that won't work for what I am tryin to do.

Hmmmm...I don't have my O2 connected. Took the comp out. There was an article in Car Craft recently about tuning a carb setup with some new electronic device. It was interesting.

That statement was more for anyone else reading the post when they wake up in the morning.

Doing chips is easy, just a little time consuming. You just need to know what the numbers mean.

Hook a voltmeter up to the lead and put it in the 0-1V range. If I remember right, .550 is perfect tune. I don't know about Chevy carbs, but since on Weber carbs the only things to change were accel pump shot, idle jet, main jet, idle bypass, and high speed air it was pretty easy to tune in. After I put the O2 on I had it done in about a weekend.

If you decide to keep it on, I have a narrowband gauge I'll sell you.

I will have to let you know on the WB02...My money is pretty tied up between tryin to close and then remodeling my house so if I don't get to buy it in time...Maybe I can pay you to help me burn a chip...Or something like that....

Well, I might be keeping it now. Zeitronix lists the output I need in terms of AFR of gasoline in the manual, but the output is actually Lambda of any fuel, so it might work after all. I just sent an email to make sure I'm right.

But my offer still stands of helping people tune their stuff (if they happen to be in Tucson) or TIG weld some stuff (for a small fee of course.)

3GTAs1TA1Z28: Instead of paying someone to do it, you should get the stuff and figure it out. You have 5 thirdgens you could tune! Most of us just buy the equipment for 1 car.

And if you do look at equipment, start here:

http://www.moates.net/

He's a TGO member and has done a lot for the PROM community. I use his G1 memory adapter (his only product when I started doing chips) on my car.

The rest of the information to get started is all stickied on top of the PROM forum. That's how I started back in 2001.

never mind.....

I have no problem buying stuff but I have no idea of what to get and or how to use it once I do....

And those stickies on top of the DIY Prom board confuse the hell out of me they recomend several different things. I just want one deal that do what I need

Ya know Synapsis, I am in awe. The old you (when I first started out as a 'Junior Member' here) would have ripped him a new "bung hole" for asking so many questions. Now you almost seem happy to help. I like it

Wow bruce I haven't seen you around for a while....

Bunghole ripping was ChrisFormula's fortee. Do a search for my posts in the past and take a look. If I rip someone it's only for incorrect statements when someone's trying to get info (like that short circuit post not too long ago where I was off quoting repair manuals ), or if a moderator was getting overzealous with their power.

Or if I'm on my period.

LMFAO yeah you're right, my bad. Always nice to see a helpful thirdgenner anywho