Yep, complete moderator tool....
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A Really long and Rediculous post
David Karey comes in, finally makes a nice post (long) butg nice about what he has been up to... even makes a comment about the trolling he used to do and that he has changed quite a bit, then the so called "Moderator" (Kevin) of this forum decides to lock it... when there was no Flame, racist, rude, or snide remark to justify the lock... other than the fact that he just doesnt like him... and if he says "This is a 3rd Gen forum, not a Nissan Forum" There are plenty of comments in the post including the fact that he wants to get an IROC again, to make this an appropriate thread.
Sounds to me like a classic case of moderator abuse. I have gotten to the point that I would love to make flames about this, but wont waste good flaming material, but who cares if I get banned from this forum, doesnt mean anything to me. Maybe one of these days Kevin will get off of his "Im high and mighty because my "dad" built my car" and join everyone else back on the planet we call earth, not "KevinPlanet Jackass"
Wow... that feels better..
Sounds to me like a classic case of moderator abuse. I have gotten to the point that I would love to make flames about this, but wont waste good flaming material, but who cares if I get banned from this forum, doesnt mean anything to me. Maybe one of these days Kevin will get off of his "Im high and mighty because my "dad" built my car" and join everyone else back on the planet we call earth, not "KevinPlanet Jackass"
Wow... that feels better..
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#2
Hey J, its Dave, on my OLD username.
He banned that username "david l k" too, along with locking the post. I cant view ANYTHING on this site with that name. Ill reserve name calling and judgement on him when we see each other on AIM.
I suppose this thread will either be deleted, or locked, and we will be punished. Thats okay, because i copied the html of both threads and sent them to the owner of the site so they can see the admin abuse going on.
I am saddened while browsing these posts inside thus sub forum. I see plenty of guys trying to get their own things going (clubs), and Kevin shoots them down, im guessing because he wants to run ALL F Body events himself, and they can only be a part of HIS club exclusively.
He has a personal grudge against ME, and he is abusing moderator priviledges, and he should have them removed ASAP, and they should be given to somebody who acts like an adult and has a head on their shoulders.
He banned that username "david l k" too, along with locking the post. I cant view ANYTHING on this site with that name. Ill reserve name calling and judgement on him when we see each other on AIM.
I suppose this thread will either be deleted, or locked, and we will be punished. Thats okay, because i copied the html of both threads and sent them to the owner of the site so they can see the admin abuse going on.
I am saddened while browsing these posts inside thus sub forum. I see plenty of guys trying to get their own things going (clubs), and Kevin shoots them down, im guessing because he wants to run ALL F Body events himself, and they can only be a part of HIS club exclusively.
He has a personal grudge against ME, and he is abusing moderator priviledges, and he should have them removed ASAP, and they should be given to somebody who acts like an adult and has a head on their shoulders.
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Now that you mention it "you both need to grow up"
"And Dirk knows full well who both of you are"
"And Dirk knows full well who both of you are"
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LOL... both of us grow up huh?... LOL
Well, as I said before, whether I am banned from the site or not is REALLY the LEAST of my worries or concerns. Im just waiting for Kevin to ban me.......... and see what happens....
And for the record.. the people of this SoCal Area are pretty cool. I know 90% of you... its just Kevin that the problem with me lays..
Well, as I said before, whether I am banned from the site or not is REALLY the LEAST of my worries or concerns. Im just waiting for Kevin to ban me.......... and see what happens....
And for the record.. the people of this SoCal Area are pretty cool. I know 90% of you... its just Kevin that the problem with me lays..
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Any problems you have with anybody, are problems you and him (David) created all on your own. Just get over it and get on with your life. And please stop bringing the petty Cr*p here.
#6
I could see Kevin putting you on probation and being justified, based on this post alone. Banning may be a bit much, we'll save that for later.
Do you know what banned means? Banning is permanent. It doesn't mean make a new name and come back. Furthermore, being banned more than once and returning just calls for banning again. Abuse would be banning for no reason. There obviously is reason.
Do you know what banned means? Banning is permanent. It doesn't mean make a new name and come back. Furthermore, being banned more than once and returning just calls for banning again. Abuse would be banning for no reason. There obviously is reason.
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Jason, I'm totally shocked you're defending him after all the crap he posted on your board. He more than used up his chances with me, and I wont put up with him anymore. You, I thought you had grown up and wisened up, but I guess not. You claim not to care if you get banned or not, but you sure are throwing it around a lot.
How am I abusing my powers? David is a known troll, he has nothing good to add, and I am not going to let him post here. Let him go hang out with www.3rdgen.org and the people there.
You think I am power hungry? More like, I give a damn about this club and this forum, and I am not going to let them get taken over by a troll. When our other club folded, who stepped up and got us a new place to hang out? I did. Who takes charge at the meetings and makes sure they stay on target and something gets done? I do. Who has been nominated and elected twice to the board of directors for this club? I have, and so have the other four board members. We're not going to let this club and this forum be dragged down to the level of troublemakers.
Jason, if you really want to get into it, lets talk about why your club died, and Sean's San Diego club died, while this one is still going strong and is very active.
As far as "my dad building my car for me", are you going to say the same thing about Josh, or Nigel, or all the other people my dad has done work for? He's a smart man and an excellent mechanic. Who else would I have work on my car?
How am I abusing my powers? David is a known troll, he has nothing good to add, and I am not going to let him post here. Let him go hang out with www.3rdgen.org and the people there.
You think I am power hungry? More like, I give a damn about this club and this forum, and I am not going to let them get taken over by a troll. When our other club folded, who stepped up and got us a new place to hang out? I did. Who takes charge at the meetings and makes sure they stay on target and something gets done? I do. Who has been nominated and elected twice to the board of directors for this club? I have, and so have the other four board members. We're not going to let this club and this forum be dragged down to the level of troublemakers.
Jason, if you really want to get into it, lets talk about why your club died, and Sean's San Diego club died, while this one is still going strong and is very active.
As far as "my dad building my car for me", are you going to say the same thing about Josh, or Nigel, or all the other people my dad has done work for? He's a smart man and an excellent mechanic. Who else would I have work on my car?
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#9
Originally posted by Dyno Don
Now that you mention it "you both need to grow up"
"And Dirk knows full well who both of you are"
Now that you mention it "you both need to grow up"
"And Dirk knows full well who both of you are"
Those of you who do not know the history between Jason, Kevin, Don, and I by seeing it first hand have no right whatsoever to pass judgement on what is going on here. Whatever Don, Jason, Me, Kevin says, has no merit as far as concerning anybody who does not know the full story. I can tell you one thing that is the gods honest truth, that Don and Kevin may be nice to yall, but there are people they will step on just because they feel like it, and they will attempt to justify their actions over, and over, and over with all the stories they can think of in the book, as long as they are correct.
Now, ive been gone doing my own thing, taking care of MYSELF for 3-4 years. Its not the mature thing to punish somebody whos been out of the scene for so long, as soon as they come around, peacefully on top of that. Kevin needs to let other people pass judgement on me, not him, because its nothing but a personal thing. In this thread alone, ive already seen a few people side with Kevin and justify his actions, but why? You have no idea what is going on, take out a napkin, and wipe the brown off the end of your nose.
Im done, Kevin/Don, you guys can whine now and make sure everybody knows that you never do anything wrong.
Originally posted by AGood2.8
I also know a ditry deeds person- goes by the name of AFrikinGoodTime that would gladly smack these guys around for future chip work
I also know a ditry deeds person- goes by the name of AFrikinGoodTime that would gladly smack these guys around for future chip work
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#10
I haven't passed judgement on anyone or sided with anyone. However I know you've been banned multiple times. Most places don't give you a second chance.
What Jason did - call out a moderator with insults and names - is grounds for banning. I just recalled a time or two that it has happened. It'd be a shame for that to happen, but if you don't care, I guess it's of little consequence to us either.
This thread should be deleted. If I were a moderator I'd have gotten rid of it when I first saw it, it doesn't belong here. There's no reasoning when it gets personal.
Also, calling people *** kissers isn't going to help your cause any. If you've been banned before and wish to regain your status as a board member without being banned over and over (which is what tends to happen if you've been banned before), you should talk to the board admins or make a new name and not let it be known that you were a former "troll." The admins are pretty busy though, so the moderators are basically on their own to do what they like.
What Jason did - call out a moderator with insults and names - is grounds for banning. I just recalled a time or two that it has happened. It'd be a shame for that to happen, but if you don't care, I guess it's of little consequence to us either.
This thread should be deleted. If I were a moderator I'd have gotten rid of it when I first saw it, it doesn't belong here. There's no reasoning when it gets personal.
Also, calling people *** kissers isn't going to help your cause any. If you've been banned before and wish to regain your status as a board member without being banned over and over (which is what tends to happen if you've been banned before), you should talk to the board admins or make a new name and not let it be known that you were a former "troll." The admins are pretty busy though, so the moderators are basically on their own to do what they like.
#11
As some of you dont know, lets clarify, i was never a "troll" HERE. I had small beef way off on some local club website with Kevin and his father. You can search this username im using now, and you can also search "David l k", and you will find NO grounds for people to treat me with any disrespect here on Third Gen. As far as Jasons comments go, a person can only take so much crap from another, and then they let it all out. Their problems go way back like 3-4 years, so its nothing new, and i dont lose respect, or blame Jason for venting, because Kevin has quite the reputation for having things his way.
Ahhhh, i feel better now that ive clarified. Cheers.
Ahhhh, i feel better now that ive clarified. Cheers.
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Cali... the land of fruits and nuts. I, for one, am glad that moderators like Kevin attempt to keep them out of TGO! If you were banned once, you should get a clue and stay gone. It doesn't matter what the reason was for, but if Dirk or Brad allowed the original ban to stick, then you should just move on to another board. Simply re-registering under another name is childish... which is clearly evident in your post Mr. Ghostkilla
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Originally posted by Biochem
Simply re-registering under another name is childish... which is clearly evident in your post Mr. Ghostkilla
Simply re-registering under another name is childish... which is clearly evident in your post Mr. Ghostkilla
Have i done anything to you? No. Have i done anything to any members that require i be dealt with? No. Have i done anything to anyone to cause trouble since ive been here? No. The only reason you all take sides with Kevin is because you simply dont know me and im simply a noob to you....and you know in your mind thats correct.
Kevin just has a problem with me because i called him a Daddy's Boy about 4 years ago, and thats the only thing wrong here. Personal crap......
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My father stopped sticking up for me when i was about 15. We talked earlier, and you relayed messages that Kevin does not want to talk to me, once again Daddy stepping in. And also look who replied in his defense first on this thread. When are you going to let your little boy be a MAN? I knew that Kevin was going to reply with a shameless "i didnt do anything wrong, its that guys fault" plug.
For your information, I dont have a computer at my work, while my dad does, so yah, it makes sense that he would reply to this thread before I get home from work.
Second, my beef with you is not because you called me names. Its because you jumped all over Tom Keliher, trashed his message board with your crap, and insulted Camaros and Firebirds after you trashed yours and bought an import. And you did the same thing to Jason on his board. That's why I dont like you. You can say that was three years ago, but once a troll, always a troll. You used up your chances with me. I thought about banning this account too, but its more fun watching you bury yourself.
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Originally posted by ghostkilla2179
Kevin just has a problem with me because i called him a Daddy's Boy about 4 years ago, and thats the only thing wrong here. Personal crap......
Kevin just has a problem with me because i called him a Daddy's Boy about 4 years ago, and thats the only thing wrong here. Personal crap......
You and Jason are solely responcible for the demize of the original SC3GFB board, that is your legacy. Plain and simple both of you just don't have a clue. And may it now end here and this thread be deleted.
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Ive had my differences with people. Young guys grow up into men, and people do change, Kevin and Don. Im not here to cause trouble, and i would kindly like my new username back if you may.
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Originally posted by Kevin91Z
Second, my beef with you is not because you called me names. Its because you jumped all over Tom Keliher, trashed his message board with your crap, and insulted Camaros and Firebirds after you trashed yours and bought an import. And you did the same thing to Jason on his board. That's why I dont like you.
Second, my beef with you is not because you called me names. Its because you jumped all over Tom Keliher, trashed his message board with your crap, and insulted Camaros and Firebirds after you trashed yours and bought an import. And you did the same thing to Jason on his board. That's why I dont like you.
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
I also know a ditry deeds person- goes by the name of AFrikinGoodTime that would gladly smack these guys around for future chip work
I'm such a kiss ****.
Grow eyes on the back of your head real quick dumb fu(k.
I also know a ditry deeds person- goes by the name of AFrikinGoodTime that would gladly smack these guys around for future chip work
I'm such a kiss ****.
Grow eyes on the back of your head real quick dumb fu(k.
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Well, It appears that post about the growing eyes on the back of your head deal was deleted before I could see it.... that was a VERY smart deal on the part of the moderator this time... Seeing as I will rarely let ANYONE threaten me and get away with it... I may take this as grounds for a persoanl invitation for a **** slapping. I was about to let this be over and done with and say"... yeah... oh" But since someone brought personal threats into this... this is only the begining.
Im still not too sure if that was directed at me personally, but since it was stated "Those two" I will take it the same as if these people were standing right in front of me and said it to my face.. (which I would have much more fun with and respect for rather than all the big and tough men we have on the net)
Im a troll? Lol, no, I m a person who speaks my mind. You all know me and if you believe that I am a troll, you are the ones that need to get a clue. If a troll is opening speaking about the girls... ehem.... guys that you dont like, then yes, im a troll... but if a troll is someone who repeatedly starts problems... then no, im not. Unless of course the many times that the Lorentzens get their panties in a bunch.
This is over as far as I am concerned... well, except for the threat of course... that will be investigated into further and find out exazctly who feels like I should grow eyes in the back of my head... and let them know exactly how it is... Good day.
Im still not too sure if that was directed at me personally, but since it was stated "Those two" I will take it the same as if these people were standing right in front of me and said it to my face.. (which I would have much more fun with and respect for rather than all the big and tough men we have on the net)
Im a troll? Lol, no, I m a person who speaks my mind. You all know me and if you believe that I am a troll, you are the ones that need to get a clue. If a troll is opening speaking about the girls... ehem.... guys that you dont like, then yes, im a troll... but if a troll is someone who repeatedly starts problems... then no, im not. Unless of course the many times that the Lorentzens get their panties in a bunch.
This is over as far as I am concerned... well, except for the threat of course... that will be investigated into further and find out exazctly who feels like I should grow eyes in the back of my head... and let them know exactly how it is... Good day.
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solutions as easy as:
1-having problem with Moderator---> report it to the Administrator
2-personal problem---->deal with it some where else
3-you do not like this site--->leave it
I hope this thread to be closed and deleted
1-having problem with Moderator---> report it to the Administrator
2-personal problem---->deal with it some where else
3-you do not like this site--->leave it
I hope this thread to be closed and deleted
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Yea I agree this thread should be closed and deleted. I don't want this to turn to one of those whos side are you on. Kevin to me is a respectable person who helps me out if I need it, I respect Don greatly and is one of the few people I trust with working on my car not to mention he is always willing to help explain anything I don't understand, Jason I respect too because he is like me struggling to hold onto the cars we love plus he is a great help and is reliable. I don't know David so I can not give an opinion about him. But you guys see everyone mentioned in the thread are respectable people. It's cool if not everyone gets along because not everyone will but let's leave the disagreements off of the public forums please. Let's all be adults here and move on.
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well in my opinion u (david) and kevin should start over again or something becuase if what u said was true from what i gathered u wernt such a nice guy back in the day but u changed (always a good thing) u two should have nothing to argue about and as for bashing don i dont think he deserved it sence don is one of the most knowlagable guys i know and hes real nice too but im not trying to suck up this is just how i feel if u and kevin had a problem along time ago maybe u two should work it out amongst urselfs and as for the locking of ur previous post and the name thing i think u didnt deserve it from the context of ur post but thats not my call and i dont know what went on between u two. Well thats all i wanted to say cuase it just seems so stupid that something like this would reserface after all this time and kevin and u still have a grudge about that sort of stuff. and by the way i just want to say welcome to the board (again) and try to calm down guys we're all here for the same reason
and on a side note i wouldve posted sooner but i was tied up at my girlfrends house so i didnt have any time yesterday and what not but hopefully ull all see where im coming from with this.
and on a side note i wouldve posted sooner but i was tied up at my girlfrends house so i didnt have any time yesterday and what not but hopefully ull all see where im coming from with this.
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Originally posted by Cruzin Kaz
Well I realize this isn't my buisness,but... I am a member here, so yes it kinds is my business.
Well I realize this isn't my buisness,but... I am a member here, so yes it kinds is my business.
I agree with trans87...
As far as I know Kevin and Don are a good guys, never had any bad experiences with them...As far as I know Jason and David are good guys, never seen them do anything wrong to us as "a club" thus far...Although I do think it was a bit extreme to ban someone who, in the eyes of "the club", has yet to do anything wrong...It is against the law to have someone arrested for what they might do, even if they have a previous criminal record...
David seems like a decent guy...In fact I chatted with him on AIM for about an hour quite a while back and he seems like someone we NEED in this club...we talked about the need for this club to be more active, not just "were going to the drags this weeked, whos coming?", he has another succesful club that is bigger and way more active than us in less time than we've been around, makes our club look pretty sad! He also had some good ideas(and a good resume) for getting a website together for our club...(Its kinda hard to recruit people when it takes 7 steps to explain to them how to get to our message board!!!) I see him helping out this club alot, and those are the type of people we need pushing this club, cause at this point we are losing members and not really doing anything as a club, no one seems to have any time or excitment for the club...
He obviously has no hard feelings against the club, just one person, who is not "the club" so the opinions of "the club" should not be reflected by one person...Lets see if he can behave, people DO change...Think about how mature you all were when you were 18-19, you were all perfect angels right! (I know I am) Its been 4 years and he admits to being a PITA and has probably matured especially considering he has a wife and child involved in his life now....Lets give the guy a chance, the first F-up and hes gone, its as simple as that! Dont judge people on account of others...be your own person and judge for yourself!
Thats just my unbaised, no sided, no history involved, opinion...
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Originally posted by Cruzin Kaz
Well I realize this isn't my buisness,but... I am a member here, so yes it kinds is my business. I did look into ghostkilla's past here, and I have to agree, it appears that he is being punished for something that he did not do here, plus... To be honest Kevin the part from your quote above that I have put in bold writting doesnt' help much on your part. Now, if these two so called trolls stop with all this stuff right here and now, and you let them go and do their thing, ( as long as they behave ) this problem can be solved and put to rest.
Well I realize this isn't my buisness,but... I am a member here, so yes it kinds is my business. I did look into ghostkilla's past here, and I have to agree, it appears that he is being punished for something that he did not do here, plus... To be honest Kevin the part from your quote above that I have put in bold writting doesnt' help much on your part. Now, if these two so called trolls stop with all this stuff right here and now, and you let them go and do their thing, ( as long as they behave ) this problem can be solved and put to rest.
And, Dean, there's no need for personal threats either. That's no where close to the attitude we want to promote here.
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Originally posted by Kevin91Z
David's problems werent on this board, it was on the now defunct SC3GFB board and the GS3 board. His past actions on those boards speak for themselves. I dont care how much he claims to have changed, I still dont want him on this forum or in this club. And, I'm entitled to my opinion of him just as you are. David is no where near someone we need in this club.
And, Dean, there's no need for personal threats either. That's no where close to the attitude we want to promote here.
David's problems werent on this board, it was on the now defunct SC3GFB board and the GS3 board. His past actions on those boards speak for themselves. I dont care how much he claims to have changed, I still dont want him on this forum or in this club. And, I'm entitled to my opinion of him just as you are. David is no where near someone we need in this club.
And, Dean, there's no need for personal threats either. That's no where close to the attitude we want to promote here.
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Originally posted by Kevin91Z
And, Dean, there's no need for personal threats either. That's no where close to the attitude we want to promote here.
And, Dean, there's no need for personal threats either. That's no where close to the attitude we want to promote here.
Sorry Kevin.
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Originally posted by SuperTrans Man
... but cant u at least cut the guy some slack for trying to say hes sorry he hasnt said anything (yet) that would make a ban nessisary yet and i respect the oppinions of u and ur dad (Don which i look up to like most of us) but couldnt u just let him be in the club on like a probation type at least he hasnt done anything (again yet) that would make him a bad guy all im saying is that he deserves a second chance after all this time and that if he does anyhting bad then u should ban him but until them cant we just all get along
... but cant u at least cut the guy some slack for trying to say hes sorry he hasnt said anything (yet) that would make a ban nessisary yet and i respect the oppinions of u and ur dad (Don which i look up to like most of us) but couldnt u just let him be in the club on like a probation type at least he hasnt done anything (again yet) that would make him a bad guy all im saying is that he deserves a second chance after all this time and that if he does anyhting bad then u should ban him but until them cant we just all get along
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Originally posted by Kevin91Z
David's problems werent on this board, it was on the now defunct SC3GFB board and the GS3 board. His past actions on those boards speak for themselves. I dont care how much he claims to have changed, I still dont want him on this forum or in this club. And, I'm entitled to my opinion of him just as you are. David is no where near someone we need in this club.
And, Dean, there's no need for personal threats either. That's no where close to the attitude we want to promote here.
David's problems werent on this board, it was on the now defunct SC3GFB board and the GS3 board. His past actions on those boards speak for themselves. I dont care how much he claims to have changed, I still dont want him on this forum or in this club. And, I'm entitled to my opinion of him just as you are. David is no where near someone we need in this club.
And, Dean, there's no need for personal threats either. That's no where close to the attitude we want to promote here.
I really think you need to give him a second chance, if he blows it, then you have to do what you have to do.
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This is the same club ...we had to move it because of him Get a clue man!!!!!
Ya just don't let the fox back in the hen house... no matter how many promises he makes....why can't you people understand?
Ya just don't let the fox back in the hen house... no matter how many promises he makes....why can't you people understand?
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Originally posted by Dyno Don
This is the same club ...we had to move it because of him Get a clue man!!!!!
This is the same club ...we had to move it because of him Get a clue man!!!!!
OK, if everybody wants opinion from club members, I've been around and to meetings when Tom held them and now that Kevin is trying to keep the same club going, meeting at the same place, we don't need the trashing that David and Jason did all over again. So tell the idiot and Hitler to go away. And if you've been around long enough, you'll know what this means.
Jerry
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Originally posted by Dyno Don
This is the same club ...we had to move it because of him Get a clue man!!!!!
This is the same club ...we had to move it because of him Get a clue man!!!!!
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Originally posted by Cruzin Kaz
Well you see there Don...comments like those are not helping here. Dad or not, I am not attacking Kevin, so please don't attack me! Otherwise I may have to tell you to GROW UP! As your not even a Mod anyway. How is this the same club?? Explain to me please. Nicely too if you don't mind, the attitude thing just doesn't work with me, if you want me to listen, treat me like a equal, and not like your better then me or something.
Well you see there Don...comments like those are not helping here. Dad or not, I am not attacking Kevin, so please don't attack me! Otherwise I may have to tell you to GROW UP! As your not even a Mod anyway. How is this the same club?? Explain to me please. Nicely too if you don't mind, the attitude thing just doesn't work with me, if you want me to listen, treat me like a equal, and not like your better then me or something.
This is the same club as before, the same members but with a new name and a new place to hang out. You were not here when this went on, so you dont know how bad it got with him.
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Originally posted by Dyno Don
Thisis the same club ...we had to move it because of him Get a clue man!!!!!
Thisis the same club ...we had to move it because of him Get a clue man!!!!!
So im not somebody the club would benefit from? Ok, lets just take a look at my clubs very first meeting. Keep in mind that we have been around for a short fraction of the time any 3rd gen club has. Kevin, give the 'import' thing a rest, Z's are hardly ricers and are as road worthy as any F-Body.
I dont know if you guys are ready to have fun yet, but i know i sure am, and i hope something is available to me when i find a Burgandy 5.7 T-Top IROC around for sale.
Originally posted by AGood2.8
Someday these kids may come across me at one of your functions and we'll chat then.
Someday these kids may come across me at one of your functions and we'll chat then.
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You are correct there Don, but... This is not your same club technically, this is a regional board that has been added to Thirdgen, which again is not your same club, it is cool that you have all found a new place to be, but everyone must let old grudges die somewhere, and sometime. I have only read a few in this post who have made comment as to why they should be not allowed here, and many more who believe they deserve a second chance. this is a web site, not a soap opera. Please don't take any offence to what I say, as that is not my intent, my intentions are, that everyone recieves a equal opportunity to prove their abiltiy to change. As you are correct, I have no idea what they have done, as I dont' know them, but I also don't know you or Kevin either, and it just seems you are holding a grudge , which can be a very tough thing to deal with, and to have others except.
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Don... you see the differenced between what with on with David and I were very broad. David did a lot of trashing before and after I came to the 3rd gen scene. When I came around, I believed a few things about Tom (that I was told, did take the time to find out) and lashed out (similar to this thread) before thinking or making a decision for my self...
David spent a long time trolling the forums, including SC3GFB and GS3 (mine). Where we are different is that I spent a long time writing Tom Emails appologizing for my ONE comment that I made and was let back onto the forums. When his club disbanded, I decided to make GS3... which then became the only active club in SoCal till this club got back on its feet and word spread about it. If anyone still believes that I am some so called troll, they have a lot to learn. I spent hundreds of hours looking for sponsors, meeting places, events, etc and had some pretty good turn outs. For 3 straight years, we had 1-2 gathers a month, and after the first 6mo had NO LESS that 13members at the meetins.. (and those were the small ones) I have several meeting rosters with 20-23 people. I do seem to recall a meeting at Sonics that 18 cars attended and 25 people showed to a last minute post (IN THE GS3 FORUMS) about a gathering and people showded and had a great time.
I loved these cars to the point to where I felt like I cared about them and their drivers too much. My only goal was to please each and everyone and thats impossible. I acually believe that I have some grey hair from it. There are plenty of things that I may not have wanted to do in the club, but since EVERYTHING was left to a VOTE, I did what the majority wanted to do. Kevin has made several statements in his first post about the thing that HE DOES ALONE, and thats a good point. As a president, there are many things you will have to decide on alone or as a commitee. But don you people as the members feel that something like this SHOULD be up to a vote since it happened under different managment?
The fact that he was banned from here is still baffleing seeing as he NEVER once flamed this forum or site for that matter. He may have deserved a ban from the other site, not this one. Just because you got banned from a store for stealing, did your time, and got out (so called reformed, of course needs to be proved) you feel that they should be banned from ALL stores? If this is the way that you feel, then so be it... its still wrong (based on a persons morals of course)
Also, to Don and all others. I never once bashed or feel that the relationship between father and son is a bad thing. I have a decent relationship between father and son myself, and sometimes Im quite envious of the fact that its a relationship on a foundation of cars (since my father doesnt have a mechanical bone in his body). The thing that I was reffering to was the fact that sometimes the vibe from Kevin, is that the person's rep is based on their timeslip. Yes, of course there is bragging rights involved, especially when you reach the 12sec mark after hundresds of hours of tuning, testing, wrenching and bleeding.
I personally feel and KNOW (based on some of the rumors that have supposedly come from kevins mouth made way back to me... people always seemed to want to tell me what was said) that I was never taken seriously in his eyes.. thats fine. I never really liked Kevin either and that is certainly the reason I have not attended SC3G events. That may be wrong, but my option. I am not a part of this club by choice seeing as I have been around since before the start of SC3G (Technically). It may be wrong that I allow one person to ruin such a beautiful thing but thats just me.
All in all, to make a long post short (too late) what I am saying is that since this is the "peoples" club and doesnt belong to one person, shouldnt the decision about David be made from the club members? I mean, what would you have done if you werent in a position to make a snap ban decision? You would have then made comments and points to prove WHY he should be banned, correct? Isnt is only valid to let the other members say why he should be allowed back? You say that he has used up chances with you (completely valid) but the decision should be left to the club, not with a grudger from a different club and managment.
David spent a long time trolling the forums, including SC3GFB and GS3 (mine). Where we are different is that I spent a long time writing Tom Emails appologizing for my ONE comment that I made and was let back onto the forums. When his club disbanded, I decided to make GS3... which then became the only active club in SoCal till this club got back on its feet and word spread about it. If anyone still believes that I am some so called troll, they have a lot to learn. I spent hundreds of hours looking for sponsors, meeting places, events, etc and had some pretty good turn outs. For 3 straight years, we had 1-2 gathers a month, and after the first 6mo had NO LESS that 13members at the meetins.. (and those were the small ones) I have several meeting rosters with 20-23 people. I do seem to recall a meeting at Sonics that 18 cars attended and 25 people showed to a last minute post (IN THE GS3 FORUMS) about a gathering and people showded and had a great time.
I loved these cars to the point to where I felt like I cared about them and their drivers too much. My only goal was to please each and everyone and thats impossible. I acually believe that I have some grey hair from it. There are plenty of things that I may not have wanted to do in the club, but since EVERYTHING was left to a VOTE, I did what the majority wanted to do. Kevin has made several statements in his first post about the thing that HE DOES ALONE, and thats a good point. As a president, there are many things you will have to decide on alone or as a commitee. But don you people as the members feel that something like this SHOULD be up to a vote since it happened under different managment?
The fact that he was banned from here is still baffleing seeing as he NEVER once flamed this forum or site for that matter. He may have deserved a ban from the other site, not this one. Just because you got banned from a store for stealing, did your time, and got out (so called reformed, of course needs to be proved) you feel that they should be banned from ALL stores? If this is the way that you feel, then so be it... its still wrong (based on a persons morals of course)
Also, to Don and all others. I never once bashed or feel that the relationship between father and son is a bad thing. I have a decent relationship between father and son myself, and sometimes Im quite envious of the fact that its a relationship on a foundation of cars (since my father doesnt have a mechanical bone in his body). The thing that I was reffering to was the fact that sometimes the vibe from Kevin, is that the person's rep is based on their timeslip. Yes, of course there is bragging rights involved, especially when you reach the 12sec mark after hundresds of hours of tuning, testing, wrenching and bleeding.
I personally feel and KNOW (based on some of the rumors that have supposedly come from kevins mouth made way back to me... people always seemed to want to tell me what was said) that I was never taken seriously in his eyes.. thats fine. I never really liked Kevin either and that is certainly the reason I have not attended SC3G events. That may be wrong, but my option. I am not a part of this club by choice seeing as I have been around since before the start of SC3G (Technically). It may be wrong that I allow one person to ruin such a beautiful thing but thats just me.
All in all, to make a long post short (too late) what I am saying is that since this is the "peoples" club and doesnt belong to one person, shouldnt the decision about David be made from the club members? I mean, what would you have done if you werent in a position to make a snap ban decision? You would have then made comments and points to prove WHY he should be banned, correct? Isnt is only valid to let the other members say why he should be allowed back? You say that he has used up chances with you (completely valid) but the decision should be left to the club, not with a grudger from a different club and managment.
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Originally posted by ghostkilla2179
Bro, a few reasons why you should stop it with the threats, even if they are subtle as above. Ive seen an internet trash talker end up in the hostpital at the end of a local car show. Thing was, that the guy was the one actually razzin somebody else thats in my position. You for 1), just do not know who is on the other end of they keyboard. 2) you have no idea what the person is capable of. 3) Just give it a rest already, no need for a show. Like i said before, "Nice car, horrible person".
Bro, a few reasons why you should stop it with the threats, even if they are subtle as above. Ive seen an internet trash talker end up in the hostpital at the end of a local car show. Thing was, that the guy was the one actually razzin somebody else thats in my position. You for 1), just do not know who is on the other end of they keyboard. 2) you have no idea what the person is capable of. 3) Just give it a rest already, no need for a show. Like i said before, "Nice car, horrible person".
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Im 6'4 298lbs... (yes, very large guy) and since we are comparing strength. I played football from age 9 to college. Dont take this as a threat, but if someone really wants to tangle, Im more than capable of defending myself, and sneaking in a few good shots when no one is looking... I dont know you, and you dont know me, lets leave things that way, and NEVER threaten me again.
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Originally posted by Jason92Z
Im 6'4 298lbs... (yes, very large guy) and since we are comparing strength. I played football from age 9 to college. Dont take this as a threat, but if someone really wants to tangle, Im more than capable of defending myself, and sneaking in a few good shots when no one is looking... I dont know you, and you dont know me, lets leave things that way, and NEVER threaten me again.
Im 6'4 298lbs... (yes, very large guy) and since we are comparing strength. I played football from age 9 to college. Dont take this as a threat, but if someone really wants to tangle, Im more than capable of defending myself, and sneaking in a few good shots when no one is looking... I dont know you, and you dont know me, lets leave things that way, and NEVER threaten me again.
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
I don't give a crap what you look like- I big enough that nobody scares me- never had that problem in life- Here's a great recent shot of my 36yr old **** at Disneyland fairly recently- I love this shot- you think its my good side? It cracks me up- Anyways moron, I'm 6'4" and 238lbs.- and yes I hide behind my computer. Come play with me cowboy.
I don't give a crap what you look like- I big enough that nobody scares me- never had that problem in life- Here's a great recent shot of my 36yr old **** at Disneyland fairly recently- I love this shot- you think its my good side? It cracks me up- Anyways moron, I'm 6'4" and 238lbs.- and yes I hide behind my computer. Come play with me cowboy.
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
So I should look for a big ol' round fat guy? Gotcha
So I should look for a big ol' round fat guy? Gotcha
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Yes... look for a big ol fat guy. I honestly expected you to be pretty young by your comments and posts. But since you openly admit to being pretty immature in your 30's, I think you have already said it all...
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I don't mean to interrupt the virtual fisticuffs, but David's second point is valid. You may be expecting fisticuffs, but the other person could be strapped and ready to kill, along with a dozen other folks behind him with AK-47s. Most people in the virtual world never meet, even if they are within a few miles from each other. The other person you are egging on could be a David Berkowitz or Charles Manson personality. Neither of those, I would ask to play with, no matter how large one thinks they are. They have a different mentality, and no doubt an unconventional definition of the word "play". Unless you are willing to think like them, and understand their world, you are already at a disadvantage.
Disagreements are fine, but I would kindly ask that the bravado be kept to e-mail and not even involve PMs through TGO. Should something actually happen, and the FBI gets involved, I don't think any of the members of TGO want to be interviewed by the FBI. Nor do I think the administrator(s) of TGO want the FBI shutting down TGO to snoop through it's databases.
Thanks.
Edit: Actually, I do mean to interrupt the virtual fisticuffs.
Disagreements are fine, but I would kindly ask that the bravado be kept to e-mail and not even involve PMs through TGO. Should something actually happen, and the FBI gets involved, I don't think any of the members of TGO want to be interviewed by the FBI. Nor do I think the administrator(s) of TGO want the FBI shutting down TGO to snoop through it's databases.
Thanks.
Edit: Actually, I do mean to interrupt the virtual fisticuffs.
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*shutter* Yeah, things could get awfully messy if the FBI got involved with the interent. I honestly agree.. you just never know who you are messing with on here. I dont own any AKs but do have weapons.. and all are for defense of course. I just feel that making threats on the net is just stupid. Making threats in person is stupid too, but at least more realistic idea of the challange at hand. The fact that this guy even felt compelled to start such threats is beyond me... but as I said before, I am more than capable of defending myself.
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OK..OK enough with all this crap!!! AGOOD2.8 keep you damn mouth shut! Your not helping with this discussion we are haveing, you are just talking out of you A$$! If what you have to say isn't constructive to the situation at hand, take a damn hike would you. This thread for the most part was remaining civil till you added your tough guy routine, and I think your acting like a 16 year old rather then a 36 year old. I remember when you first joined here, you seemed like a decent fella. Well I have lost all respect for you now. So unless you have something constructive to add that doesn't include how tough you think you are, then shut your pie hole!!!..6'4" and 238lbs doesn't make you any tougher then a person who is 5' and 140lbs.
Now back to the actuall discussions here. Jay, Dave, Don, Kevin... Lets get this back on track and straightened out, and we will ignore stupid threats from A$$ mouth over there.
Kevin, give him another chance, it is the nobel thing to do, if after that Dave decides to return to his ways, which I have never seen, but none the less... Let him have another chance, and everyone can move on... Sound good??
Now back to the actuall discussions here. Jay, Dave, Don, Kevin... Lets get this back on track and straightened out, and we will ignore stupid threats from A$$ mouth over there.
Kevin, give him another chance, it is the nobel thing to do, if after that Dave decides to return to his ways, which I have never seen, but none the less... Let him have another chance, and everyone can move on... Sound good??
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Well, my last long post more or less said how I felt, only that he never did anything to justify being banded from this site. If SC3G had their own site and forums, then he could do that I suppose, but this one just isnt fair at all. I feel that a decision like this should be left to the members and not one (biased) opinion.
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Originally posted by AGood2.8
So I should look for a big ol' round fat guy? Gotcha
So I should look for a big ol' round fat guy? Gotcha
Originally posted by Jason92Z
I honestly expected you to be pretty young by your comments and posts. But since you openly admit to being pretty immature in your 30's, I think you have already said it all...
I honestly expected you to be pretty young by your comments and posts. But since you openly admit to being pretty immature in your 30's, I think you have already said it all...