I'm not real sure how to word this, but I want to gather all the info I can about adjustable shocks. I want a certain type of adjustability like the HAL 12 way or the tokico 5 way adjustable. Are there any other adjustable shocks out there that adjust in increments or clicks like those? Are the konis like that or is their adjustability with just a **** with no real set settings?

 

Koni's are adjustable just like the others. KYB also has their AGX line which is adjustable too. After that yer looking at killer high prices getting into Carrera, AFCO, Penske, etc... for dampers with adjustability and remote reservoirs. Altho it would be nice to be able to adjust a damper from the drivers seat

 

yes I know this. What I was asking, was the particular type of adjustment method used. I want a clicking type of adjuster with set positions. Like a HAL 12 way or a Tokico 5 way where you have positive stops in the adjustment sort of like on a radio dial. Understand what I mean?

 

Koni's struts click into place(shocks I'm not sure of), KYB AGX's I'm not sure of... I've only seen them with the positions marked on the dial. Not sure if they actually click into place. JohnnyIROC has a set, you could ask him.

 

Thank you. I was under the impression that the koni's just had an open **** with no set stops. How many "clicks" are there?

 

I'll actually have mine in 2wks but from what I understand they have 3 settings. I've seen shock dynos for the Koni SA and DA's as well as revavled Bilsteins(specific to our cars) as well as the Tokico Illuminas and KYB's... all at differernt sites I can't recall at the moment. I'm sure if you searched for a bit you'd find them tho. Half of them I saw at forums for solo/scca racing. A guy named Sam Strano from Stranoparts.com will be able to give you much more info. He races a '91 1LE and a '00 SS(year?) in SCCA solo stock classes and has won many times. Checkout his website and post a msg in his forum. http://mtfba.org/rrforum/ is another great place for suspension info on F-Bodies.

 

Here's all the info you need on the Koni's...

http://www.koni.com/_cars/_general_i...djustment.html

 

Wow, thanks rega. I really apreciate you looking all that up for me. It looks like I won't be going with the koni's then as I do not want to have to remove the shock to adjust it. So scratch the koni's, what other adjustable shocks can be adjusted without removal?

 

I think it was George from the boards here that said he got a set of shocks from Koni he could adjust without even jacking the car up or at least not having to take them off. I'm sure Koni has them as really you can order any shock setup from them to fit our cars as long as you specify the size and type of ends you want.

Some other things I've heard are that 3rd gen Koni shocks and Bilsteins have stiffer vavling than 4th gen shocks. ALot of 4th gen guys use our shocks for racing due to this. Also the Koni front strut and Bilstein shock rear combo is really popular. Once again I've heard that the Bilsteins(revalved) handle low speed bumps better than Konis so for street and most autox driving you'd definately benefit with such a combo. On actual prepped road courses the Koni's could be a better consideration. Overall I've gathered info basically stating that KYB AGX's have the lowest levels of damping, then Tokicos and finally Koni's being the stiffest of the 3. Which is best for you obviously depends on your wheel and spring rates plus what you're using them for. The QA1(HAL) shocks probalby fit right in the middle of the bunch as they have a total of 12 adjustments I believe. I have heard they're not the best choice for autox or road racing tho. Heard they're more orientated towards the drag strip.

 

not sure if this was cleared up enough, the koni struts don't have detents on them, the info on the pictures in that site is for front and rear shocks. The first picture is how you adjust the struts (in car with a **** at the top) and the second one is how you adjust the rear shocks, by pushing down a button and twisting the shock itself, through 3 detents. Also iirc the rear adjustable on car shock was from a g body i believe? (gn, montecarlo, cutlass) Not sure on that though. Supposedly you can just adjust them by **** without removal. Which i am guessing means they don't have detents either.

Mike

 

Thanks for the info. Do the KYB AGX shocks and struts have detents? How do they adjust?

 

I only have hands-on experience with the koni's, couldn't speak on the agx's i do like kyb's gas-a-justs though, i have those on my 70 chevelle, they are non adjustable, but very good $/difference.

 

Well basically I'm riding on the original shocks with almost 104k on them and there is almost no dampening left, lol. I want to do shocks, springs, and a few other things all at once and when I do I'm going for the best. I feel like shocks with detents are the only way to go with adjustables because whatever you do to one side you can duplicate almost perfectly to the other that way. Where as without detents you can't be as precise.

 

Do the AGX's adjust for both compression and rebound?

 

I don't think so

 

I have Koni Yellows.

The struts adjust with a removable **** and have no detants. I just go by half turns.

The rears have 3 detants but have to be removed to adjust them using the process described above.

There was a post awile ago where some guy was saying that Koni rears could be adjusted on the car. I responded to that post and would have said basically what I've said here.

It may be that there are some Koni rears which are adjustable on the car but I doubt they're available for third gens.

 

I just found out some good info on the AGX's today. I was previously leaving toward the tokicos but I think I'm going with the AGX's instead. The AGX shocks adjust both rebound AND compression. They have the following dampning forces.

For the 4 position adjustment ****:
#1 position is same as factory or 100
#2 position is same as GR2 or 115
#3 position is 50% firmer than #2 or 172
#4 position is 30% firmer than #3 or 223

For the 8 position adjustment ****:
#1 position is 5% softer than factory or 95
#2 position is same as factory or 100
#3 position is 7.5% firmer than factory or 107.5
#4 position is 15% firmer than factory or 115
#5 position is 43.5% firmer than factory or 143.5
#6 position is 72% firmer than factory or 172
#7 position is 97.5% firmer than factory or 197.5
#8 position is 123% firmer than factory or 223

With that info I recieved directly from KYB they should be plenty firm for just about any setup.