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lowering problem

Old Jun 21, 2004 | 03:30 PM
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lowering problem

ok so i bought some suspension max ST springs off of ebay and have had a few problems the front actually raised instead of lowered...well i found out i got the wrong springs. so igot the new ones the other day and im still having a problem so i have a few questions

1. will ther sway bar affect height if its not conected
2. if upside down will the spring cause that problem
3. if i have to chop them down, which end of the front springs do i cut and how much

any other ideas lol it looks like crap and i really wanna get it done.....thanks
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 03:35 PM
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no, sway bar will not effect ride height. to tell if theyre upside down, the coil that flattens out, would be on the bottom, its supposed to be on the top. the one that isnt flat is supposed to be on the bottom with the end between the 2 holes in the control arm. if that isnt the case dont cut them. its most likely your stock springs were sagging and these did actually raise your car. give it a few days of driving and it may settle down a few tenths of an inch
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 03:42 PM
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my stock springs werent sagging...my car actually raised up when i did my trans swap auto to manual which is why i lowered it....so i know thats not the problem, if i had a picture of it you would be able to tell it was like 6 inches of fender gap lol

it may be upsdie down i think i put the flat side on the bottom(its very hard to tell on these springs which end is flat) im gonna install the other side and see what happens, how much can be cut if i need to?
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 04:00 PM
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your sure that you have the V8 coil spring???....the V6 and the V8 had a big weight difference...
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 04:17 PM
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Car: 1992 Camaro RS 25th Anniversary
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Axle/Gears: 3.23 SLP Limited Slip
my car is a v6 and they are suppose to be for a v6 and the company sent me a new set and said they double checked to make sure the ones i just got are v6 springs so thats shouldnt be the problem either
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 04:19 PM
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Is your car on the ground? Go drive it around a little and let the struts and springs settle a little. Do this first before worrying.
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 04:28 PM
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i drove it around plenty last night....im gonna tinker with it and see what happens.....either way i think im gonna have to modify the springs in order to get the stance i want...cuz the back dropped a lot in comparison to the front. any advice on doin that?
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 05:58 PM
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well here are the specs on the ride height right now....it has dropped a little bit. heres the odd part...the first set of sprigns i still have one on teh passenger side...and i have the new spring on the drivers side yet the passenger side is lower and will probalby drop more when i put the new spring on....anyways here they are, i measuered at two diffrent points wheel gap and at the side ground effects under the door front and back

Driverside
FRONT
Wheel Gap~ 4 1/2in.
Ground effect~ 8in

REAR
wheel gap~ 2 3/4in.
Ground effect~ 6 3/4in.

Passenger
FRONT
Wheel Gap~ 3 3/4in.
Ground Effect~ 7 1/2in.

Rear
Wheel Gap~ 1 3/4in.
Ground Effect~ 6 1/4

im sure when i reattach the sway bar this will even the car out a bit more but not sure....any ideas?
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 07:04 PM
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You have to index the spring in the pocket. What that means is the non-flat side will fit into a groove in the lower control arm. Its kindof pointy and if turned clockwise (to the lelt), it will spin until it stops snug down into the control arm pocket. The top flat part sits flush against the isolator, nothing to index up there in the front.

The back tops are indexed though into the isolators, but not the smaller diameter pigtail bottoms that sit flat against the axle cradles.
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 07:16 PM
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i have them indexed in the a-arm up front i knew that....real hard to tell what end of the spring should be down or up on the aftermarkets. so that could be some of the problem

i have some pictures up on another message board so you all can see the diffreence....not as bad as it was but still not good. the back is off only due to the sway bar not being attached on the passenger side, hence it is leaning down

http://www.deadbird.org/swin/index.php?showtopic=78
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by Pillsbry10
i have them indexed in the a-arm up front i knew that....real hard to tell what end of the spring should be down or up on the aftermarkets. so that could be some of the problem

i have some pictures up on another message board so you all can see the diffreence....not as bad as it was but still not good. the back is off only due to the sway bar not being attached on the passenger side, hence it is leaning down

http://www.deadbird.org/swin/index.php?showtopic=78
Judging from the pic, it appears you don't have he springs seated in the frame correctly. Make sure the springs are centered over the perch in the frame pocket.

When installing the front springs, you have to position them in the frame first, then swing the A-arm up to meet the spring. If you set the the spring on the A-arm then attempt to swing the spring up into the frame, it will not seat correctly and you'll end up with the stance you currently have.
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 07:35 PM
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You said the other spring wasn't in yet? If so, then please take a picture of it laying sideways so we can seen the two ends(left side/right side in picture if you can). Make sure they are proper springs for our cars. You should easily be able to tell the difference of the two ends.
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Old Jun 21, 2004 | 07:39 PM
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ill have to take a picture of the other spring lata as i dont have the digi at my house.

im pretty sure i have the spring in right as that is what i did installing it. im gonna install the other side and install my new sway bar end links and see how it stands...if just that side is still giving me a problem im going to try to install that side one more time and see what happens. big pain in the butt...not a huge fan of changing springs out 20 times.

they should be correct springs as they ahve been double checked before that set was sent to me, i got the wrong ones the first time
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