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Old Oct 30, 2004 | 07:54 PM
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Edelbrock STB doesn't fit with AC on passenger side

I bought the Edelbrock 3 point strut tower brace, I have a carbed 1986 305 v8 with stock air cleaner, and I have the AC compressor installed on the passenger side.

I've seen a lot of posts that say these braces will only work if the AC is on the passenger side, but it still doesn't quite work on mine. The compressor interferes with it.

I'm giving up on the 3 point STBs. Does anyone know where I can buy a 2 point STB that works with a stock aircleaner?

I've heard about Jamex, but don't see where I can buy one.

BMR said their's won't work with an air cleaner.

Could I just cut the triangle off of the Edelbrock, and use that as a 2 point?
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 01:35 AM
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Do you have the single serpentine belt or v-belts?
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Old Nov 2, 2004 | 01:38 AM
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you could cut the triangle portion and use it as a two point... but I highly reccomend the 3 point design.
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 05:37 AM
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edelbrock makes one for TBi cars with the a/c compressor on the pass side, it'll work with the carbs also
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by 86Z
edelbrock makes one for TBi cars with the a/c compressor on the pass side, it'll work with the carbs also
You mean this one?

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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 08:16 AM
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If you are getting rid of it... Who makes it & how much do you want for it!!
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Old Nov 3, 2004 | 10:40 AM
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Did you bother to read the name of the post JerseyMark before you entered?? He probably purchased the 3 point for a TPI motor. When I ordered mine from Summit they sent me the wrong one. The TPI version is made from square tubing and the TBI/CARB version is made from round tubing. Which do you have??

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Old Nov 6, 2004 | 09:55 PM
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Before i switch over to serpentine belt.I was using this edelbrock TPI brace with my stock V-belt set-up.i had to leave off the 2 bars going to the cowl AFTER i switch to ZZ4 intake(taller).Having a factory fiberglass hood also helps

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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 10:05 AM
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Will this edelbrock strut tower brace fit my Carbed 84 L69 with passanger side A/C:

1987-92 Camaro/Firebird V8 w/T.B.I. (fits vehicles with A/C compressor on passenger side) ....#5227.
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by z28cmr83
Will this edelbrock strut tower brace fit my Carbed 84 L69 with passanger side A/C:

1987-92 Camaro/Firebird V8 w/T.B.I. (fits vehicles with A/C compressor on passenger side) ....#5227.
The brace in the pic above is the TPI brace.When i purchased it i still had my old V-belt set-up on the engine.That brace will clear the air cleaner & accessories with a stock manifold & a factory fiberglass hood(it has NO frame in the middle section,so you have more clearance for the brace).I dont believe the TPI brace will work with the steel hood(too much bracing in the way).Ive read the TBI WILL & WONT work on carbed engines.So its hard to say if it does.Although when i bought mine WAY back in the mid 90s.I remember the catalog listing a TBI type brace for carbed engines.The only reason i didnt buy it was because back then i was going to switch over to TPI (or something similar) fuel inj & didnt want to have to buy another brace again.
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 12:36 PM
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so what will fit on my 84 Z28 L69 Carbed with dual snorkle, non-serpentine camaro with stock manifold and stock steel hood.
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Old Nov 13, 2004 | 09:50 PM
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I would guess the TBI brace.To be safe though i would go to the edelbrock web site & click on tech help.Then ask them which brace is your best choice.Forget calling they almost never answer the phone.
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 05:35 PM
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strut tower brace

i have a 87 ta with carb motor i used edelbrock with little mods to comp brkt and brace -works fine lots better woth 3 point vs 2 use it MAKE IT WORK youll be glad you did!
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:25 PM
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Originally posted by z28cmr83
Will this edelbrock strut tower brace fit my Carbed 84 L69 with passanger side A/C:
My '84 L69 has the A/C on the driver's side. What is the difference (i.e. why would one have it on the driver's side and one have it on the passenger side?)
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Old Nov 19, 2004 | 11:32 PM
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because certain strut tower braces get in the way of the passanger side A/C bracket.
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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 07:00 AM
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strut tower brace

my 87 has drvr side comp mods were no big deal, the rod that goes from upper brkt to intake is removed and upper corner of upper brkt was trimmed with a sawzall takes abot 10 min and never had to remove it -done in car. comp is still mtd well and no problems . go with edelbrock 3 point
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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 10:35 AM
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that rod from the compressor bracket to the intake is completly removed? dosent that give the a/c alot less support.
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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by RSFreak
(i.e. why would one have it on the driver's side and one have it on the passenger side?)
Serpentine systems have the A/C on the pass side.V-belts & combo(serp w/ v-belts).Have the A/C on the Dr.side..
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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by 84 1LE
Before i switch over to serpentine belt.I was using this edelbrock TPI brace with my stock V-belt set-up.
what was the part number on the edelbrock stb you used with your v-belt setup.
did you have to modify, could you use both snorkel's? was it a three-point stb?
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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 12:57 PM
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The one in the pic is the only one Ive ever had.Its same one i used with my V-belts.I think the part# is 5226(TPI).I didnt have to modify it,BUT i have a fiberglass hood.With a steel hood because the carb/manifold set-up is taller than a TPI set-up.The TPI(5226)brace will contact the air cleaner in order to clear the hood.If you raise the brace to clear the air cleaner to the upper part of the slotted holes on the mounting brackets.The brace will hit the steel hood.With the fiberglass hood this is not a concern.When i was using the stock V-belts i was using BOTH snorkels,but with the serpentine set-up the passenger side mounted A/C is in the way.When i still had the STOCK aluminun intake manifold i also had both supports(3 point) mounted to the cowl.Switching over to the ZZ4 manifold raised the air cleaner about 1/4 inch.Which wont allow the 2 supports to clear without some mods(Raise them).At this point the supports WILL contact the glass hood.
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Old Nov 20, 2004 | 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by z28cmr83
that rod from the compressor bracket to the intake is completly removed? dosent that give the a/c alot less support.
that a/c bracket is overengineered IMO but dosent affect it without it its been a year snd 15,000 miles since i did this i have and it works and i do have the zz4 intake and dual snorkels on my car
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Old Nov 21, 2004 | 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by zman1969
that a/c bracket is overengineered IMO but dosent affect it without it its been a year snd 15,000 miles since i did this i have and it works and i do have the zz4 intake and dual snorkels on my car
I agree. I ran a Camaro without the extra bracket before for over 3 years with no problems.
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by 84 1LE
Serpentine systems have the A/C on the pass side.V-belts & combo(serp w/ v-belts).Have the A/C on the Dr.side..
Ok, let me see if I got this straight. The Edelbroke Part # 5227 (87-92 TBI) will not work correctly or is having trouble with the serpentine belt set up (A/C on pass. side)?
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 09:03 PM
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It cant verify this for the TBI brace.As i said before.Ive read it WILL & WONT work with carbed applications.From what ive read the TBI brace WONT fit carbed engines because the A/C is on the Dr side(v-belts).It should fit TBI engines with A/C on pass side(serp).Email edelbrock or call if you want to confirm this.Im starting to think though that it would be alot easier to swap to a factory glass hood(once you locate one)& go with the TPI brace.Than to try to guess which brace WILL fit.I just realized this,but doesnt Hotchkis also make a brace & they only sell one for all 3rd gens ,i think.
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 10:16 PM
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strut tower brace

Originally posted by acescarrsRS
You mean this one?

Im not so sure what is so complicated about this ? the above pick'd 3 point brace that acescarrsRS
pictured above will fit cars with drvr side a/c with minor mods and dual snorkel h/o air cleaner and the zz4 intake too I can vouch for that cause I have one on my car the 3 point design has alot more strength than a 2 point brace if you want shoot me a e-mail and ill send you a pic of it on my car
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Old Nov 22, 2004 | 11:23 PM
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The problem with the ZZ4 or any taller intake is the TPI brace will be too high & hit the hood & the support bars may contact the air cleaner..So use the TBI brace.If you go with the TBI brace,Then you have issues with the DRIVER side mounted(v-belts)compressor(w/out mods),but not with the pass mounted A/C .My point about the dual snorkel was the passenger side ducting WONT work because of the PASSENGER mounted compressor(serp),but WILL work on the DRIVER side mounted comp(v-belt).If you dont want issues with the hood.DONT get the TPI brace.If you DONT want to deal with moding the A/C brackets.DONT get the TBI.Those are your choices it seems.Choose one AND make it work.
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Old Nov 24, 2004 | 10:11 AM
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Old Nov 25, 2004 | 08:34 AM
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OK I'm computer stupid. I can attach a pic to a e-mail but i dont know how to post it to a forum send me a e-mail and i cand send you pics : rwhoag.camaro@comcast.net
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