irocbirdbuilder

The front kits for our cars are now being made, didnt get info on prices but i can tell you it is not yet listed on they're site. The rear kit is same as 4th gen kit as we've known for awhile. I emailed the guy back to find out prices but i tell you what my car will be down on "bags" hopefully before next fall

Kandied91z

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so last year...


just playing, figure on $2,500 for a complete kit uninstalled give or take a little. if you are going to use stock front suspension components follow the similar steps that were documented on the black vert. 1-1200 in parts total if you don't have to have airrides name.

sometimes it's nice to have a simple plug in setup though.

18inchboyds

but i thought the setup they were designing was something that jeff had that didnt use a stock setup . Is this for a stock type front suspension.?

Spdfrk1990

2,500 hmmmmmm Im thinkin about it i say theres a good chance ill get it.

Kandied91z

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they had extreme issues with qa1. so to make things easy they have been telling people the shafts are too short and they can't make them. basically qa1 won't give them the struts and they couldn't find another one that was adjustable enough to work properly so they ditched the idea. they have another thirdgen that is supposedly up there that is being worked on using the stock suspension pieces. this will be identical to my own only the front end will allow the factory pieces obviously. as to what parts, prices, etc. i do not know. if you guys are interested go to www.ridtech.com and fill up their message boards. they don't want to build something without the demand. show them the demand for it.

MrDude_1

im also having issues with them.

they're not the most helpful people in the world......



i just wish SOMEONE made struts with the same range of adjustment.

Kandied91z

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bilstein but is it worth the price? probably not...



the qa1 12 ways are nice but at 900 retail for the pair that's a steep price to pay. the bilsteins are $1,300 which is even more outrageous.

MrDude_1

bilstein makes adjustibles for our cars that goes from dragrace soft to street to road race stiff?

have any model numbers? phone numbers or somthing?

its somthing thats really worth the cost to me... i really want to have a true dual purpose car.. like the 4thgens can be...

Kandied91z

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i'll look it up. it's been 8 months since i've seen the part number on the 12 way billet bilsteins. another option as well is having one built out of the housing of your choice. for example there is a shop about 45 min from me that custom builds race strut/shocks and can build them to the exact specifications and designs anyone would want. might be cheaper to look into that.

i'll see if i can't find the bilstein number.

MrDude_1

got a number for that shop?

im out of ideas myself...

Kandied91z

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i'll get that too for you here in a day. today is my late night so i won't be home in time to search for everything but i'll get it together for you shortly.

irocbirdbuilder

WEll i'm figuring around 3500 so i'll have more than enough to do it.

Siegel1719

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well i talked to darren and he said the front kit will be around $400 and the rear is $300. That is just bags and mounting so you would have to add tank, compressor, etc. So im looking at $2k for the front and rear bags and the cheeper ridepro e kit.
He said there just waiting on the brackets getting back from the powder coater and then they will be in production.

Jeremy

irocbirdbuilder

Yea i was kinda suprised at how much this stuff is going for, and yet so few people have it out here in co on anything. I am going to more than likely run teh best compressor/tank setup i can get i knida like that 2 second rise times

Kandied91z

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do a little more research on it before you do. the valves and line size as well as distance from the bags to valves determine the rise time. the size tank determines the amount of time you play and the compressor obviously determines how long you wait to play. not matching these up properly and you'll hurt the setup.

2 second rise time is fun... but a pita. it takes me several tries to get the car the level i want it to drive. fortunately the ride pro-e has the predetermined ride height but that's only on start which i don't like so you have to use the remote option to use it before you get in the car to go.

it's a double edge sword. the one thing i can say is it works... works well and although it's pricey almost $1,000 more then some other companies it's very straight forward with install and the product/customer service is excellent. i'm sure those of you interested who do venture into the setup will be thrilled.

Siegel1719

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Kandied what backspaceing and tire size were you useing? I wanted to go the the C5 rims 18" rear with 65mm backspaceing and 17" front with 45mm backspaceing. I have a 4th gen rear and 2" spacers up front. Do you think i would have porblems rubbing with thesewith 235/40 17 up front and 275/35 18 in the rear?

Thanks
jeremy

18inchboyds

what do you mean you had to take a few tries to get it to the right heihgt , their isnt any way to get it the same each time easily .

Kandied91z

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lol with a 2 sec rise time....lol sure. trying to adjust 2,000lbs in 2 seconds is a fun one.



yes if you buy the ride pro-e digital controller it has two presets that can be used with remote and one ride height on start preset. i personally don't want the car dropping down and raising everytime i turn the car on and off though.

Spdfrk1990

I want it so i can do this and make it out of my driveway safe.

Kandied91z

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well first of all i can not recommend that setup as a 17/18 combo just looks plain wrong with the build of our cars but if it is a must you will need to work with your adapters to find the best fit. normally a 65mm offset for the front will require at least a 2. 1/4" adapter which is huge. if you run traditional bags you will have to mill them adapters some to as close to a 2" as possible so you don't take a fender out when lowering. i'm assuming the 17's will be 8.5" wide. this is fine for that area of the car with air ride so it's all about moving the adapters right. same with the rears. that style i believe is 9.5" in the rear right so you'll need something just shy of a 2" adapter for them. best bet is to buy your rims first and test fit them to measure what adapter you need to place the wheel where you want it. go to your major tire chain and ask to either purchase or buy a blank adapter. you can use this to bolt your wheel on and see how much you need.

good luck.

Kandied91z

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use it all the time for that, has saved my 4" exhaust and front gfx many times through detroit and getting in and out of the trailer.

18inchboyds

do you have any pics of the controls and how you raise and lower the car. or used to raise and lower that car.

Orr89RocZ

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hows the bags for a road race, heavy street cornering set up?

figuring if you completely redo your suspension, your gonna pay nearly 1500 bucks or so, might as well save for the bag system to have the adjustability for low spots and stuff. Only if its good for some heavy handling tho

Kandied91z

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do some research on the net...

want to know about my car look here.
http://gmhightechperformance.com/features/0504htp_z28/

this thing has been gone over alot on thirdgen in the suspension section and if you spend some time researching you'll learn alot which you should do anyhow if your considering the setup as you'll need to know how to use it.

my setup has 12 way billet adjustable struts as well as air bags and bilstein hd shocks in the rear. handles better on the street and at the strip then my previous combinations. there is little to no body roll with the car under decent turns but i had alot of serious modifications to the car with every bracing possible and some that were custom made as well as a 6pt.cage the car was very rigid. if you want an auto-x car then build one with solid parts and save the money. there have been articles of air ride out performing auto-x setups on cars like ours but they were never time tested... there is a very good warranty with these systems from air ride and semi trucks put them through their paces but i have yet to see anyone who truly auto-x use air competatively and i can't really see why as it's more expensive anyhow. chances are if your putting air ride on your car or thinking about it your probably not going to go to an auto-x track, you could but most people that do this don't think about... doesn't mean you can't though as with a 4 way setup they are just as strong and supportive as conventional spring setups.

if your asking because of the myth that air ride is like hydraulics then again you need to do more research as airride can be that way but if you add at least 8 valves for a true 4 way system you won't have any air transfer from side to side so you won't have the boat/cadillac type feel driving down the road.

all in all i love my setup and everything about it, except for the compressor noise... but you can't avoid that as there isn't any room to put them under the car and wiring one under the hood would be rediculous.

if you guys have specific questions check out www.ridetech.com as they have their own message board where many of the fabricators visit every day and if you want something thirdgen related then just email me.

good luck.

srdynamics1

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But can it bounce?

cdh67

KandiedZ- Does your car have a bag in the stock spring location or is it a bag strut?

irocbirdbuilder

My question is with the bags fully inflate like in that picture how much higher does the car sit than factory ride height?

Spdfrk1990

Other bracing beside the 6pt hmm ide like to know what you did cause I want mine as strong as possible.

Kandied91z

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almost. if i changed the valves to 3/4" and 1/2" line with nitrogen it would.

Kandied91z

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look at the links and search a little. i have air struts.

Kandied91z

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the rear is fully inflated in that picture... my question is how much higher would you want to go. that's rediculously high for any vehicle, let alone a thirdgen.

Kandied91z

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why, what do you need it for?

Spdfrk1990

I dont like body flex so most likely the same reason you wanted it.

irocbirdbuilder

Very true....but i have issues right now getting into my driveway if theres another car in it and where the car is stored to pull it in i have to use a little pyramid kinda thing out of 2x4's so my front end will clear since there is a nasty little dip, it does look rediculaous i'll agree with ya but to get it in and out of tight situations it would have to do

18inchboyds

i just want it cause the car rides like a horse wagon and so i can park in illegal places and they cant tow me . Ill have it aired out so its low and they cant get under it to tow it .

Kandied91z

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lol.. hopefully it would never come to that. they have ways around it that you don't ever want to have to see. if that comes about they are allowed to whatever is necessary to contain the situation at the owners expense. it's all in the small print when you get a ticket.

Spdfrk1990

I was thinkin the same that way they will rip off the whole front bumper instead of just the front gfx lol.

Siegel1719

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Kandied is right my friends car (02 cavalier on bags) got towed when he parked out side of our old school and they ripped the front bumper off and he had to pay for it to be fixed.