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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 04:40 PM
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What do i need to get the best stance?

I have been lookin at my iroc and i dont like the raked stance that it has. Sometimes it seems like one side is higher than the other and i dont know if that is from worn suspension or what. But i would like to have a better stance but it looks like the rear needs to be lowered about 2 inches and the front maybe an inch. Does anyone have some recommendations? I am new to the suspension and i want to have a great handling and looking car. Please help me. Also has anyone ever heard of a worn suspension making a car sit funny from left to right? -Matt
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 04:47 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Just a nice set of lowering springs and aftermarket shocks should do you fine. That car in the last pic looks good!
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 04:52 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/susp...ing-101-a.html

find out more and see what you'd like. worn parts might cause an uneven stance. like brakes, suspension doesn't wear evenly all the time. sometimes one thing breaks or wears out a little more quickly. if the edges of the road where you drive are all disintegrated then your right side might wear out a little faster. see what I mean?

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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

yea i appreciate the help guys im just trying to learn all i can. Also the last pic is actually a photoshop of an idea i had for my iroc-z. Still not sure but i might do that to mine. Im still thinking. -Matt
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 05:22 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Keep a few things in mind...

Obviously, the lower you go, the more issues you'll have with clearance, speedbumps, etc. etc.

You'll also lose some ride comfort. Your age/personal preference, and how often you drive will be an issue. I'm 33, and like a cush rollin' caddy style ride, but I only take the Iroc out here and there, so it's all good. No way I'd drive it everyday.

...and last but not least, keep in mind that with worn suspension, you're already lowered (probably). Lots of posts out there about people who buy a product to get a 2" drop, only to find they only drop an inch or so. A new product tells you what you'll get if you have STOCK ride height, but with old suspension, many of us already are a little low. Just food for thought.
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 05:26 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

yea i understand that. Its a daily driver but it sits so high in the back it bugs me. I would like to keep a decent ride but good looks for the shows. Thats my main hobby. I hit cruise in car shows so i want to keep it driveable for every day but also lookin great. Thanks
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 06:40 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Get weight jacks. Ground-control-store.com and search Camaro. They are expensive ($460) but they allow you to dial in the exact height you want and they let you pick your spring rate when you buy the kit.
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 11:10 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Be aware, if you lower the rear, you will probably want the control arm relocation brackets. See the sticky at the top here. They make a BIG difference.
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 11:24 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Dude the guy i bought mine from said he lowered the car 1inch alll around but the back still looks a little higher then the front. I hate the rake look too. Just get some springs but keep in mind, the weight from the engine is going to slam the front and the rear will be higher,,, i think i'm right?

Oh by the the way that photo shop u did is real cooool. I like that look on an IROC.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 12:32 AM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Originally Posted by 91_5.7_TPI
Get weight jacks. Ground-control-store.com and search Camaro. They are expensive ($460) but they allow you to dial in the exact height you want and they let you pick your spring rate when you buy the kit.
i agree, but dont get ground control weight jacks.
get these
http://www.daymotorsports.com/produc...-JACK-ASSEMBLY

then pair it with their 5" springs.
stock IROC springs are 750# springs (or thereabouts)
get 800# springs in 8-9.5 inches long for better handling

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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 06:18 AM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Awesome thanks alot guys its gonna be a little bit before i can do it.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 07:31 AM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Hello,

Just keep this in mind! When you lower the car to the extreme, you will be getting into the Adjustable panhard bar to keep the rear centered under the car and possibly Adjustable Lower Control Arms to keep the tires where they need to be. If you have any other questions feel free to ask or call.

Thanks Again,
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:09 AM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Originally Posted by 19CAMARO85
yea i appreciate the help guys im just trying to learn all i can. Also the last pic is actually a photoshop of an idea i had for my iroc-z. Still not sure but i might do that to mine. Im still thinking. -Matt
I say do that, that is one of the best looking 3rd Gens ive ever seen!
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

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i agree, but dont get ground control weight jacks.
get these
http://www.daymotorsports.com/produc...-JACK-ASSEMBLY

then pair it with their 5" springs.
stock IROC springs are 750# springs (or thereabouts)
get 800# springs in 8-9.5 inches long for better handling
The kit I pointed out was for front/ rear, with springs and goes in without mods to the car. I think with those you have to modify the car some. Here is a thread with a wealth of information on the kit.

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I say do that, that is one of the best looking 3rd Gens ive ever seen!
Other than the wheels, I have to agree.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 03:07 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Here are some shots that i got. I think the rear end is about an inch off from left to right the front is pretty close now i know the 1/4 panel had been replaced but it all lines up pretty good. So i dont think its that. Here are some other pictures. -Matt
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 04:56 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

i think I know what your talking about. the passenger side seems a little lower.
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 05:09 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

do those jacks that reddragon posted actually work? why are they so cheap? i think ive seen these...t he guy just had to drill holes in the rear cargo area and front subframe for the bolts to go through.... hmmmm

can they be used with the stock 5" springs?
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Old Jan 21, 2009 | 06:50 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

They work, I don't think they just slip in. Think some mods are required.
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

i looked at the Eibach pro series kit and it said that it could be used with the factory shocks.. which granted mine need to be replaced anyways but if thats the case would i need to get the panhard bar and the LCAs? -Matt
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 06:06 PM
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They will work with them, but I tried it and it's not a good idea. Killed fairly new replacement shocks in a month or two. I reccomend replacing the shocks with the springs before the LCAs or anything else. \

BTW, I wasn't knocking the IROCs on your car, I was talking about the wheels on the photoshop.
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 08:43 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

Originally Posted by 91_5.7_TPI
They will work with them, but I tried it and it's not a good idea. Killed fairly new replacement shocks in a month or two. I reccomend replacing the shocks with the springs before the LCAs or anything else. \

BTW, I wasn't knocking the IROCs on your car, I was talking about the wheels on the photoshop.
Nah man its cool i knew what you were talking about when it comes to the wheels.
But with the pro series the LCAs and panhard bar would still be needed? -Matt
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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 08:52 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

It's a good idea to install LCARBS (lower control arm relocation brackets) if you lower the car. It corrects the rear control suspension geometry. I don't think the adjustable PHB is as 'needed' as the LCARBs, but it's still a good idea. As are adjustable LCAs, but lowering the car with something like the Pro-Kit wouldn't affect the position of the rear wheels in the wheel wells front to rear enough to need them if you are running stock sized wheels. I ran the ProKit on my car with the stock LCAs for a while. I was saying that if money was tight, I'd do good shocks with the springs before I'd spend on the LCARBs or PHB. Here are a couple of shots of mine with the KONIs, ProKit, etc from sig. No front or rear isolators. (crappy pics of a dirty car, but you get the idea of the ride height.


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Old Jan 23, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

thanks for the info and pic man, im wanting to do it right but money is tight at the moment. -Matt
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 08:09 AM
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Re: What do i need to get the best stance?

I hear you there. I've been wanting to do it for about two years, but haven't been able to justify it.
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