Suspension and Chassis Questions about your suspension? Need chassis advice?

Rollbar/4-point setup

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 17, 2013 | 11:52 AM
  #1  
DeltaElite121's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,366
Likes: 1
From: St.Louis, IL
Car: 1988 Camaro
Engine: 377
Transmission: TH350; Circle D 4200 converter
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"
Rollbar/4-point setup

So I got to talking with my friend about finishing my car, and the only thing left is the rearend and the potential for a 4-point rollbar. My friend is an avid career drag-racer and he said that he has often seen the bodies flex on these cars and tear the corners where the window meets the top (this is a hardtop car). I've heard of this, but this is generally in cars making big power with no structural support. I'm realistically probably around 475HP at the flywheel, so not a whole lot in retrospect.

My question is this: will a rollbar help the car be more rigid realistically? The guy that's doing the work is willing to give me a great deal, and I've seen his work.. and he does a fantastic job. He quoted me for $2,000 for a bolt-in brakes and all Ford 9" installed, my BMR subframe connectors welded in, and a 4 point rollbar installed. Unfortunately, that's a lot of money for the meager hours I work with school and all so it might take a minute to save up. Ballpark quote for just the rear was $1,200.

Is it worth the extra expense for the 4-point when I already have SFC's going in and a Strut tower brace? This is one of those "since it's already over there" installs I guess you could say, but I still have plenty of other bills like everyone else.. and if this isn't necessary to buy, then I'll save the money for other stuff.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2013 | 01:01 PM
  #2  
fireturd350's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 3,204
Likes: 7
From: New Boston, IL, USA
Car: '90 Formula 350
Engine: 383 SBC
Transmission: ProBuilt S/S 700-R4 & ACT 9" Stall
Axle/Gears: 10 bolt 3.23
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

I would say no. 4 point isn't going to be certified to do anything besides just be there for support and maybe a mounting point for a harness, which aren't even DOT Approved.

If you don't have a wonderbar on the car I would recommend that has that is only $70 or so and bolts on and prevents stress cracks for the front sub frame.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2013 | 01:09 PM
  #3  
DeltaElite121's Avatar
Thread Starter
Supreme Member
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,366
Likes: 1
From: St.Louis, IL
Car: 1988 Camaro
Engine: 377
Transmission: TH350; Circle D 4200 converter
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

Originally Posted by fireturd350
I would say no. 4 point isn't going to be certified to do anything besides just be there for support and maybe a mounting point for a harness, which aren't even DOT Approved.

If you don't have a wonderbar on the car I would recommend that has that is only $70 or so and bolts on and prevents stress cracks for the front sub frame.
Got that part taken care of I have Lon's TDS wonderbar, actually.

That's the other thing, though. Like you said - the 4-point isn't going to be certified. That's what makes me a little hesitant I guess considering the price gap we're talking. Really, the NEED here is the rearend.. but I'm willing to throw the extra down if it's worth the structural support difference.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2013 | 01:43 PM
  #4  
Apeiron's Avatar
Moderator
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 20,981
Likes: 11
From: Mercedes Norte, Heredia, Costa Rica
Car: 1984 Z28 Hardtop
Engine: 383 Carb
Transmission: 4L60
Axle/Gears: 3.54 Dana 44
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

Only 4 points won't do anything for stiffness either.
Reply
Old Jan 17, 2013 | 05:14 PM
  #5  
TTOP350's Avatar
Supreme Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (9)
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 12,213
Likes: 1,140
From: Il
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

Subframe connectors are a must with any of these cars and should be done 1st.
A 4point will help a lil and be a good 2nd step. If you like it, you can add more bars.
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2013 | 01:21 PM
  #6  
Mirror Image's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 859
Likes: 5
From: Birmingham Alabama
Car: 1991 Firebird convertible
Engine: LQ4 ls 6.0
Transmission: 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 342 Limited slip
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

I installed a 4 point in my 91 firebird and it stopped most of the noise from flexing when I go over speed bumps but I made mine for under $100 bucks if can find a pipe bender
Reply
Old Jan 30, 2013 | 05:25 PM
  #7  
AlkyIROC's Avatar
Moderator
25 Year Member
 
Joined: Jul 1999
Posts: 17,262
Likes: 168
From: 51°N 114°W, 3500'
Car: 87 IROC L98
Engine: 588 Alcohol BBC
Transmission: Powerglide
Axle/Gears: Ford 9"/31 spline spool/4.86
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

Install SFC first.

A roll bar is mainly to protect the driver. A 4 point roll bar is a street bar. To run quicker than 11.50, you'll need a 6 point bar. You can easily make swing out door bars for easy access in a street car.

The more tubes you add, the stiffer the car will become. The first year I raced my t-top car, I installed SFC before I went to the track. The second year, I needed a roll bar. Never cracked any body panels. I Now have a full cage in the car.
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2013 | 02:41 AM
  #8  
DBLTKE's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,132
Likes: 11
From: Aloha, Oregon
Car: '91 Camaro Z28, '85 Camaro Z28
Engine: LB9, LB9
Transmission: T5, 700r4
Axle/Gears: Eaton 3.73 Posi, 3.23 Posi
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

a 4-point is almost worthless and definitely wouldn't do much in reducing chassis flex. a 6 point roll bar on the other hand will stiffen thing up a bit, as long as they aren't swing out door bars.
Reply
Old Feb 1, 2013 | 11:06 AM
  #9  
87350IROC's Avatar
Supreme Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 4,449
Likes: 8
From: Everett, WA
Car: 87' IROC
Engine: L98
Transmission: T56
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

The OP never specified if this is for drag racing or road racing. A 4pt may not get you anywhere for drag racing but will let you tech for a lot of non-wheel to wheel racing.
Reply
Old Feb 2, 2013 | 03:18 PM
  #10  
articwhiteZ's Avatar
Supreme Member
15 Year Member
iTrader: (56)
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,776
Likes: 101
From: Spokane WA
Car: 92 Lingenfelter Z28 articwhite
Engine: Aluminum 615BBC
Transmission: Th400wbrake/curri entps9" locker
Axle/Gears: 4.11/4.30/4.56
Re: Rollbar/4-point setup

you can add side bars to any 4 point. swing out are fine also.
added with SFC, not bolt in ones..there are a few who make the ones you weld in, stich weld, the full length of the car. with your 6 point on top. makes it way better then stock. the feel of even how the doors close with just a fingrt tip. push and ride feel, is a 100% better then stock...

so stiff, my car was on 4 jackstands..( i thougt)..kick one out when i was on a kreeper under the car..car did not move!
and the doors still closed with just a finger tip push! when still on just 3 stands!

Last edited by articwhiteZ; Feb 2, 2013 at 03:24 PM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
hectre13
Car Audio
26
Mar 3, 2022 05:38 PM
LT1Formula
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Parts for Sale
7
Oct 8, 2015 08:34 PM
meeklay812
Camaros for Sale
1
Oct 1, 2015 03:46 PM
dusterbd
TPI
0
Sep 29, 2015 08:40 AM
Badass355ciz28
Power Adders
4
Sep 28, 2015 08:31 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:01 AM.