TBI + Tornado "air twister" = weight reduction (less money in pocket).... TRUE
TBI + Tornado "air twister" = performance and power .... FALSE

It's unreal how stupid ebay bidders are let alone the general public. I was under the impression that there were 2 types of auto owners. Those of use that think there is no such thing as "too much" power and those that think their cars are good enough to not waste money on "performance products." Well I descovered a new breed of moron. It's called the ebay bidder and the ebay seller. There is a fine line between stupid and ebay bidder. Stupid is forgetting that you were empty and costing to a stop. Stupid is GM not installing a dumby light warning system. Ebay bidder is worse. Every TORNADO POS on ebay has a buyer that's paying over $40 thinking they're going to get more out of their car.
How many people HERE think this is a product worth the investment? I hope nobody but if somebody could give a good arguement then please reply with insight.
Where do these people come from? I didn't know there were people that wanted performance, ignore informative opinions, and buy this useless equipment that isn't even eye candy!!! Do they just want the sticker to put on their window?

 

i think it is sad that people spend money on it :-(

it would be fun to pick one up, and then do some dyno testing, just to see what kind of power DROP that thing will make.

ohh yeah, i am spending a $1000 to get rid of the factory 'Swirl' inducing heads

 

Heh how could you not believe Stevie?!?!?!?!?!?!?






This will get some of you excited tho



until I see actual video of them putting it in before and after.

In some applications I can see it actually helping tho possibly. I'm still open minded to it. If it was free I'd definately try it at least.

 

The Tornado is not a new idea exclusive to eBay. There were idiots buying fan like things for their intakes in the 50's.
Besides, I'd love to be a Tornado dealer. If a fool is going to do something dumb with his money, why not be the one to take it?

 

There is a difference between making a living and taking advantage of somebody. If I left candy out on halloween and said please take 1 would you feel totally guilt free if you took one handful or just one piece of candy? Now imagine it's something expensive and you think you're getting silver when in reality it's tin!!! It's all the same. I'd rather make money from idiots the legal way and not having to mislead people into believing my product is for everyone when in reality it's good for almost nobody.

 

True. Lying about a crappy product to sell it to idiots is wrong. But that's why we have the consumer protection agencies to help the idiots. The rest of us rely on common sense.
Nevertheless an idiot will find a way to spend his money.

 

A Chevy 307 in 1986??? BWAHAHAHAHA!!!! Maybe an Oldsmobile.

Anyway.... The best part is how much money they're making. The profit margin has to be HUGE!!! $50 for something that costs about $2 to make.

I don't think it's bad they do this. 'Sell to those who buy.' Why is that wrong? They're not claiming anything illegal. Pay attention and you'll see they only advertise the cars that actually showed an improvement. Also, they never say it's an average improvement. It could be the best they got on a 5 mile drive.

It's sad no doubt, but hey (as someone pointed out) GM made the same kind of thing, they just put it in a different spot (cast into the intake runners.)

Besides... maybe the people that make it are as stupid as those who buy it. Maybe they actually think it works.

 

For this technical of guestion you really just need to ask Need4speed.

 

It should be common knowledge by now that the early intro TBI was crossfire and they used the fixed props as well. Only difference was that it had a purpose. I'm not positive on it's intent but it seems like it was used AFTER the fuel was introduced to the air in order to keep the fuel in suspension. Putting a fixed blade before the throttle blades is a hack job. The air will straighten out but you've already got a restriction (low pressure = no fun) so if anything you'll likely run a tad rich on accel enrichment. Why do you think it's important to add a LOT of pump shot with TBI tuning when you do things like intake manifolds swaps, spacers, air cleaners, etc. Some cars run lean by nature of the beast. This is good for gas milage, bad for power and bad for emissions. The gas milage increase is because you aren't as volumetrically efficient. How could you be with a device impeading airflow like a MAF sensor that had it's "straighteners" put on an orange juicer? Bad for power because less air. I'd rather let the air flow into the motor and just make the extra power with a fuel pressure adjustment. You can't tell me that's all that hard to do or expensive!
I can think of a very good reason why no agency wants to touch this topic. Not only is buying politicians time to figure out the oil crisis but there is also LESS polution with a slightly richer than stoich mixture. I believe it was you Grumpy that said something about this whole mixture problems.
Remember this is just my speculation. If you bought it please explain why you did.
Oh yeah, and another old product that I haven't seen around is the screened intake gaskets. They had micro screens that re-atomized the fuel which really woke up the low end but seemed to be a major high flow restriction. Now if only they could make those screens removable for us wet-flow manifold hackers .

 

This is the first poll I've ever seen with 100% in one column.

I was actually hoping to read about someone's claim. I tried to get a friend of mine at work to buy it to satisfy my curiosity.

He knows nothing about cars and didn't believe it would work.

 

But it will give me 10hp and better gas mileage. They wouldn't lie, would they?

 

Gotta love the general public. Unfortunately, we live in a world where sports stars make millions and policemen and firemen dont - kinda screwy idn't it? lol.

TRP

John - did you get the PM i sent? I usually dont use it, so i'm not sure if i goofed it up...

 

The cross fore manifold was a very interesting experiment.

It had a huge amount of wetted area. It also used queal lenght runners, and of a design to maintain high velocities in the manifold. Even with those two items, they still ran a huge EGR passage way, and lots of coolant under the manifold to get the fuel vaporized, so that it wasn't in droplet form.

The props were used to centrifuge the intial heavy droplets out onto the manifold to then be heated into a more vaporized form.

If you look at the fuel stains in a cross fire it's easy to see what is happening.

Adding a .25" lid spacer while it increases the plenum volume is a good thing, what is even better is that it gets the props that much higher so the fuel is slung out even further before it hits the manifold.

 

ok, so ....here goes, i OWN one....yes, finally someone that knows the truth! it s CRAP!! lets think abou tthe basic dynamics of the tbi, ...what this thing does, it literally reduces the cfm flow by 20 % , it has a flat surface that goes OVER the top of the damn throttle body, ...air supposedly being sucked in only from the sides, was going to help? no....no no no no no !!!!!! i bought this thing for 15 bucks to prove a point, its crap. the tornado *may* however work on tpi's seeing how it actually does create a true tornado like effect without interfering in the actual aeroodynamics of the throttle body intake , but on anything carb like --tbi-- NO!!!!! once and for all noooooooo lmao, its crap, ..if you wanna buy a tornado, send me half the money, ill kick you in the nuts, and we will call it even...

 

so let me guess the tornado swirls the air and is supposed too make easier to get more of this swirls air into the cylinders. while it still gets better fuel mileage. hahahahahahahahaha

if that is the case. what happens when the swirlsing air hits the sides of a set of upright throttle blades on the TBI/carb/TPI that wall off metal would straighten the airout rite. ?

I'm not the the brightest bulb in the box/ other may differ

but i will not spend my mone on it. k/n is the best mod for the money vs increase in power.

 

i vote headers in best seat of the pants oncrease, that or gears, then cam, then intake --prolly done at the same time---, my theory on the tornado was, how the hell does the air swirl , in a square bored intake lol....a square tornado?? doubt it lol

 

I thought swirling air was supposed to keep fuel suspended better. I'm reluctant to post this. I don't want to look like I want a tornado or believe it really works.

 

no the alleged theory behind the tornado was to increase air flow by presenting a vortex, and the air sucking the fuel down into the intake quicker

 

Like my dad always tells me, it is all in your head. People will put this on and think they are getting more power. It might even decrease the power but they are to stupid to know.

 

Like my dad always says, it is all in your head. They will buy this thinking they will get more power. For all they know they could be getting an extra 30 hp and they could be getting a 30 hp drop. They are to stupid to know the difference anyway.

 

Sorry that came out twice I thought there was an error!

 

yeah, you cant just stick in a flimsy piece of metal and say "yeah ok, iincreased 20 hp!!!" the only real hp mods are tried and true, and we all know them.....

 

People are stupid, there are some that swear up and down that a K & N gives them a load of power. If makes your car sound a little different and give a tad of power but it has to work with other equipment to be benificial.

 

I'm suprised everyone has such negative opinions of the Tornado. Combined with a K&N, it gave me 30 extra hp at the rear wheels, and I now get 38mpg.
It also has helped my car handle better in the rain.

 

 

Well, when I saw this thing, I immediately thought of the air foil for the TPI setups. I have seen first hand that a TPI airfoil reduced performance by 5 hp on a back to back dyno run.

Like my daddy always told me "there are no such things as magic beans"

 

Yup, 30 more hp at the rear wheels and better nahdling in the rain..... you lost me there. You must have been running REALLY lean to have noticed an improvement from that POS. It slows down the air and as a result the ecm has more time to change the AFR, you run slightly richer and THEN you might find some hp. That is just something you could fix with a little more fuel pressure. I guess the slowed throttle response helps in the rain, wow, one good thing (if that is a good thing).

 

Truckman I hope you are being sarcastic!

 

lol @ better handling in rain, so the tornado fixed your traction and suspension?? ....if your car spun tires LESS in the rain with the tornado, thats a decrease in performance

 

Ok, you got me . . . I was also using Motor-UP fuel treatment



[No, I didn't actually buy one of those things]

 

I thought you were sarcastic but I wasnt totally sure!

 

alright, we all know that the tornado is legalized rape (jus like that zmax crap, that amazing dent puller, and anything u see advertised at 3 am), but Ebay bidders are not ALL stupid. I think 99% of all the people on this board got their LT1 cams on ebay and i also found my gears on ebay.

 

I didn't get the Lt1 cam I've got from ebay .

 

i got mine from here heh