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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 07:09 AM
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Car: 89 Camaro RS
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who has a tbi stage 2 chip?

hey i just order my chip with brian great guy.i was wondering if any of u guys have the chip on already and what hp and tq diffrence did u see or felt?also did it mees up our gas mileage?:hail:
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 03:29 PM
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I got the "stage 2" chip from Brain. So far---no good.
My car has some transmission mods but is otherwise stock.

My car slowed down with the Stage 2 chip-- 0.2--0.3 in the 1/4! and off about 1 mph.

Maybe it was the weather or maybe the chip is worthless.

I am willing to go back to the track with both chips and make a few runs and then swap chips, let it cool and go again.

Then I'll know for sure and i'll post results

Gas mileage hasn't dropped though
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 05:30 PM
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well he said it gives u 20 hp so that like maybe 2/10 th of a second better so seens i run 15.5 i will 15.3
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 05:56 PM
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hopefully............ My 20hp sure wasn't there...(unless, like I said, the air was sooo bad)

Going back tomorrow to race...we'll see

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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 07:39 PM
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Car: 92 Firebird,74 Nova
Engine: Stock tbi,Vortec 350
Transmission: T56, th350
Axle/Gears: 3.73 LSD, 2.73 open
I ordered a stage 2 from brian yesterday it said for a car
This chip runs a very aggressive timing and fuel curve and should only be used with 91+ octane and for best results headers, high flow cat and cat back exhaust system. It also performs well with a mild cam.
I have headers and 3inch exhaust so i'm hoping that it will be what he stated. I was also gonna plan on getting the WinALDL when I start to add more mods to the car http://www.winaldl.webhop.net/ my next adventure is heads and 1.6ratio rocker arms.
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Old Jul 24, 2003 | 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by 871LEIroc
I got the "stage 2" chip from Brain. So far---no good.
My car has some transmission mods but is otherwise stock.

My car slowed down with the Stage 2 chip-- 0.2--0.3 in the 1/4! and off about 1 mph.

Maybe it was the weather or maybe the chip is worthless.

I am willing to go back to the track with both chips and make a few runs and then swap chips, let it cool and go again.

Then I'll know for sure and i'll post results

Gas mileage hasn't dropped though
Have you advanced the timing any? If you have it may be causeing detonation which is slowing you down.
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 07:21 AM
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nope---never touched the timing. So far, tonight is looking good, weather wise. About 10 degrees cooler (celcius) and cloudy. Should make for great conditions.
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 05:36 PM
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well my friend install a chip in his iroc-z stock and saw no results whats so ever as soon as he put his headers and exhaust then the chip made a big diffrence so yes if your stock it aint gonna show no results get atleast a catback kit
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 05:56 PM
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How do you know that the chip did anything???

He put headers and cat-back on. Did he then run with the factory chip and then switch?

That would tell what the chip does by itself. You simply cannot extrapolate what the chip actually did---making a bunch of mods together and then say, "wow--that chip works great!"

Going to the track in 2 hours--I'll be posting late tonight.

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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 08:34 PM
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looking forward to the results.
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 08:41 PM
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i would like to get ahold of one of his chips, to compare to a stock chip. i would guess there isn't much more too it than an extra few degrees of spark, something any of us could do in a couple of min, even if you don't burn chips. heck i have found a few extra degrees really does make a diffrence in these cars, i run 4* all the time, with 87 gas, on 95+ days, i bet i could safely run at least 6 all the time.
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Old Jul 25, 2003 | 08:43 PM
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i would like to get ahold of one of his chips, to compare to a stock chip. i would guess there isn't much more too it than an extra few degrees of spark, something any of us could do in a couple of min, even if you don't burn chips. heck i have found a few extra degrees really does make a diffrence in these cars, i run 4* all the time, with 87 gas, on 95+ days, i bet i could safely run at least 6 all the time.
The way I see it is the tpi cars come factory with 6 degrees advance and a lot of guys are running even more than 10 or 12. Our engines could no doubt ATLEAST run 6 degrees, and probably a lot more, but 6 is a pretty safe amount of timing unless you have winaldl to check the knock counts so you can run even more and fine tune what your car likes.

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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 01:52 AM
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16.9 with TBI Chips and a 16.8 with factory chip.
(alhtough I did 2 16.7's with the facotry chip previously)

Car feels so different---in 2nd going down the track it revs faster...with the TBI chips it revs slowly and takes forever to get to 4700rpm, where it shifts into 3rd.

My MPH was off tonight with both chips by 1-2 mph and the 1/8 MPH was down almost a full 2mph.
So i'll be leaving the facotry chip in my car because it has proven to me that it runs fastest.
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 01:54 AM
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Interesting, thanks for posting the info. You should get winaldl to see what the chip is actually doing. I would bet it is detonating and causing the computer to pull timing. Might not be, but you never know. I would really like to see some winaldl readings. BTW, what mods do you have?
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 02:00 AM
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open air element, 4.3L V6 stall, Corvette servo and Trans-go shift kit. Not much---those things reduced my et by 0.3 and 2mph over stock. My 60 ft times went to 2.3 from 2.4 as well.

I've always had big plans but the car seems to break down and my money vanishes!

I really get tired of almost every single car beating me at the track

Something is definately affecting the car with the TBI chip---lays down and dies at about 3500 rpm in 2nd gear.

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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 02:02 AM
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also, IIRC, arent you at a really high altitude? That could play into it too, but I think the ultimate solution is to hook the car up to winaldl and see what shes doing.
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 02:06 AM
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yeah---high as a kite! In think the airport says 3300ft. Density altitude is usaully higher--4000+. But today was much cooler then the past week, I was hoping that would play into it--but apparently not.
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 09:58 AM
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I got one from him, and i havent noticed any difference. He told me to change my fuel filter, but i havent got a chance to do it get. however it did eleminate my speed limiter.
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 10:11 AM
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definatly hook it up to winaldl. the falling on its face up high, sounds like the computer pulling a bunch of timing for knock.

btw, what were you trap speeds with both chips? that is the real test, because there are alot of other factors that effect ET, but you traps should tell us which chip is producing more HP.
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 10:47 AM
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Car: 89 Formula
Engine: 350
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Axle/Gears: 3.27
With TBI Chip:

60ft 2.317
330 ft 6.948
1/8 10.792
MPH 63.98
1/4 16.930
MPH 79.10

I did a 17.05 @ 80.91 previous to the above.

Factory Chip--I accidentaly had the gear selector in 2nd gear going through the traps--about 5200rpm. Opps! Still ran faster.

60ft 2.363
330ft 6.963
1/8 10.810
MPH 62.94
1/4 16.892
MPH 80.34

As you can see it was slightly slower (very slightly) down low compared to the TBI chip but at the end pulled ahead.

Another run netted a 64.10mph at the 1/8
Maybe if the TBI chip did not die after 3500-4K in 2nd gear it woulda have stayed ahead....who knows.
I do run the 170 stat and use 91 octane.
The 1000ft clocks were out.

Here is my best, on a previous night with the facotry chip.

60ft 2.326
330ft 6.910
1/8 10.706
MPH 63.62
1000 13.970
1/4 16.743
MPH 82.05
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 01:05 PM
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Do you have your base timing advanced at all?
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 02:23 PM
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Haven't touched the timing at all.
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Old Jul 26, 2003 | 06:18 PM
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well if i dont feel no results i tell him to send me my money back
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