The best open element kit
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The best open element kit
I've read all through the open element FAQ, but I want to know what kit will get me the most bang for the buck. Thanks for all your help.
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It really depends on what you want.
But, the ideal set-up is a 14" by 3" non-drop open element base (most Mr. Gasket air open elements are non-drop, FYI) with a high flow filter like K+N, etc., but hood clearance can be an issue with a non-drop base.
So, the best bang for the buck open element is just going to be an open element from any auto parts store that is a non-drop air cleaner and is 14" in diameter. Then just buy a high-flow air filter from the same store, a 14"X3" if it will fit under your hood. That's the cheapest and best way to go.
Just so you know what to look for, here's a drop-base, and as you can see it only allows air in from the top since the spacer ring has to stay on:

And here's the ideal set-up, a non-drop base which allows plenty of air flow from all sides:

I got these pictures from Snflupigus' website, there's tons of TBI pictures if your interested: http://snflupigus.tripod.com/tbiphotos/pics.html
But, the ideal set-up is a 14" by 3" non-drop open element base (most Mr. Gasket air open elements are non-drop, FYI) with a high flow filter like K+N, etc., but hood clearance can be an issue with a non-drop base.
So, the best bang for the buck open element is just going to be an open element from any auto parts store that is a non-drop air cleaner and is 14" in diameter. Then just buy a high-flow air filter from the same store, a 14"X3" if it will fit under your hood. That's the cheapest and best way to go.
Just so you know what to look for, here's a drop-base, and as you can see it only allows air in from the top since the spacer ring has to stay on:

And here's the ideal set-up, a non-drop base which allows plenty of air flow from all sides:

I got these pictures from Snflupigus' website, there's tons of TBI pictures if your interested: http://snflupigus.tripod.com/tbiphotos/pics.html
Last edited by Benm109; Dec 15, 2004 at 09:53 AM.
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Should I just use the original lid or should I get a K&N Xstream lid.
http://www.autobarn.net/kamxstreamun.html
http://www.autobarn.net/kamxstreamun.html
you wont likely gain much from an xtreme lid, unless you have a cowl hood, but then its still a TBI, air enters from the sides, even with a stock hood you wont get air in from the top with that lid.
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Originally posted by Z28GEN3
you wont likely gain much from an xtreme lid, unless you have a cowl hood, but then its still a TBI, air enters from the sides, even with a stock hood you wont get air in from the top with that lid.
you wont likely gain much from an xtreme lid, unless you have a cowl hood, but then its still a TBI, air enters from the sides, even with a stock hood you wont get air in from the top with that lid.
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Thanks, I didn't know if it was worth the extra 70 bucks. Also, should I stick with the K&N air filter or go with this one from summit racing.
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...t=SUM%2D239431
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...t=SUM%2D239431
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Originally posted by oifish
Thanks, I didn't know if it was worth the extra 70 bucks. Also, should I stick with the K&N air filter or go with this one from summit racing.
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...t=SUM%2D239431
Thanks, I didn't know if it was worth the extra 70 bucks. Also, should I stick with the K&N air filter or go with this one from summit racing.
http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...t=SUM%2D239431
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Ok, this should be my last post on this topic. There are three types of base styles. From your guy's opinions it sounds like I should get the flat base style. Unless the raised style get more air flow. And if if I understand this right, the dropped style gets the least flow.
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Both the dropped and the non-dropped can pretty much flow the same, the problem is just in how you have to install them. On our cars, you cannot run a drop-base without it hitting or interfering wiht various things on the intake manifold, like the coil, the throttle linkage, etc. If you get a drop-base, you end up having to either raise the whole TBI unit up so you have clearance, or you have to leave the gold spacer ring on the TBI unit so the drop-base will clear everything. And, of course, as stated above, if you leave the spacer ring on, it causes the TBI unit to suck in all of it's air from the top, instead of from all sides, like it wants to.
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Originally posted by oifish
Well, I think I might get a spacer. What is the best brand, or does it really matter.
Well, I think I might get a spacer. What is the best brand, or does it really matter.
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Originally posted by oifish
Well, I think I might get a spacer. What is the best brand, or does it really matter.
Well, I think I might get a spacer. What is the best brand, or does it really matter.
While I agree with Shifty, if you really want a spacer, you just need to know how much you want to raise the TBI unit. IIRC, you can get various sizes, like 3/8", 1/2", or 1" spacers, from various companies. Every company's spacer is pretty much the same in materials and design. But, keep in mind that installing a spacer can get tricky, because of the modifications you have to do to the throttle bracket, throttle linkage, cruise control cable, and TV cable (if you have an automatic). I wouldn't reccomend it for a first-time mod (I'm going to attempt to install a 3/8" spacer soon, and I'm not even looking forward to installing it).
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FWIW, I am using a drop base with the spacer ring that lifts the base a little higher than you get with just using the default, standard spacer ring:
After dealing with the fear of rubbing a wire on the coil raw and shorting my electric system out, I would recommend the non-drop base.
After dealing with the fear of rubbing a wire on the coil raw and shorting my electric system out, I would recommend the non-drop base.
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