I came across an 87 IROC 350tpi T-TOPS bad after market rims, needs interior work, and body work, the motor is very good with all the iroc suspension goodies. I own a 91 LO3 stock but it is very clean inside and out.

Get the white iroc and start swapping like crazy or spend the 900 bucs on my LO3? What is the best way to go. Im not giving up on my tbi, but since Im short on money, which will get me to 220hp cheaper? $300 on lo3 or 900 on L98 w/ tuned suspension and 4wheel discs? Plus of course the cost of swapping.

What would you guys do in my case the spend on iroc or spend my rs?!!!

 

87iroc is a classic more than most 3rd gens.

swap around, but insurance might go up.

refurb the roc though is what i would do.

 

Yes, build up the IROC. The handling is a ****load better than an RS. I have an 88 IROC and a 92 RS, so I've experienced them both. No contest.

 

The IROC hands down. More Power, More potential, better handling.

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I wouldn't get it depending on how much they want for it of course.

You'd be better off just building up your car. IROC suspension isn't much more than what you got.

[This message has been edited by Keith5 (edited March 01, 2001).]

 

yes it is.

 

LoL, ok um when did the RS suspension become the same as the IROC's suspension? Trust me kid, their suspensions are no where near the same. My friend Tom just put that wonder bar and all of the iroc's front and rear sway bars on his RS and he said the difference was AMAZING.

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You callin me kid? The suspension isn't that much different, I didn't say it was the same. It isn't worth buying another car for. Anybody can upgrade their suspension to match an IROC if they want without buying an IROC, or go WS6 which beats the IROC's suspension.

 

Ok if it's $900 for the IROC, and the engine is in good shape, and the suspension components are in good shape, I'd buy it and swap the engine and suspension parts to the RS.
I'd keep the IROC for part I might need later too.


[This message has been edited by Keith5 (edited March 02, 2001).]

 

Why swap all that crap into the RS when you could just redo the outside of the IROC? Man, ur to much in love with RS's. LoL
And the suspension is different. Different enough to notice a DIFFERENCE in PERFORMANCE. And that is good enough for me.
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[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 02, 2001).]

 

Listen, I didn't say you couldn't tell a difference, or that they are the same. I said they are about the same.

If he's got a car that has a good body, and with good interior. That's the one to choose. Again this all depends on how far gone the IROC is.

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1989 Pontiac Firebird Formula LO3 Auto
-180 degree stat
-Hooker Cat-Back
-vinyl security shade, velcro t-top bag
*****Possible summer '01 mods*****
Dual Snorkle, Auburn Posi, Keyless Entry, Wonder Bar from my IROC, 4th gen seats, T/A tail lights

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Just for your information, Chevyguy, the Iroc suspension will slow you down at the track. If you drive the car a lot like I do,and care about handling, then the IROC suspension is the way to go, but it will lessen weight transfer. One more thing, I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I personally would never own a T top car - some people love 'em, but I've had 3 of them and I will never buy another car with T tops, JMHO If the engine is mechanically sound, I would buy the IROC and swap everything over since the 91-92 look better and the fact that the IROC really aren't worth much more unless they're really nice.

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Trans: Turbo 350 w/ 4000 stall -- Rearend 7.5 w/ Richmond 4.10's, Auburn Minispool
Best ET: 12.52@107.2
Future plans: Dart headed, Roller cammed 383 in early '01


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New Best ET: 14.91 @92.9
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I'd buy the IROC, swap the suspension and maybe the intake. Then part the rest of the car. I'm sorry but a clean car is worth more than a POS with a better suspension and intake. What is wrong with Eibach springs, WS6 sway bars and poly all around? Is that really that expensive? I know it's worth it and a lot cheaper than buying an IRCO with 100K miles on the springs and who knows how long on the shocks/struts. I'd stay with the RS if you like it, if you don't then sell it and get the IROC. Either way you're going to need to spend money on the suspension so it's either way. I love the style of the RS so I would keep the RS and swap the IROC parts into the RS, but that's just what I'd do.

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This depends on what EXACTLY you're aiming for.

If youre just interested in making 220HP, then the IROC would be able to do that w/ little modification.

If youre looking for a sleeper, then the RS.

If youre looking for something that will handle good,look good, be a lot of fun to drive, and be immediately recognized as a good car, then the IROC. Most everybody knows an IROC.

The TBI will be the easiest to modify later down the road. Its a fact that TPI is an expensive system to modify. Once again, if youre looking for 220HP then it shouldnt be too expensive.

And finally, would you rather look back 10 years from now and have spend say $5,000 on an RS or an IROC?

What l'd do, and have done w/ an 87 T/A, is find a car that you could see yourself w/ in 20 years. Then fix it up as you have time. One of the things l like, as do most people, is a person who owns a well maintained 60-70's muscle car that has had the car for several years. You can see the care. Also, it takes the pressure off of having to have it running NOW! My car is about 5 months old to me. It still looks like a POS, but it runs good and l've got some big plans for it. But l've got time to fix it up. Little here, little there. When lm done, its gonna be nice. So l guess l just defined it as a hobby...... Hope my wife doesnt find out.

Oh well, those are my thoughts. Good luck either way.

Clayton

 

IROC!! The tpi system may be more expensive to modify but you can get 300hp with a polished stock TPI induction and an assload of Torque which means alot in an auto car. GET THE IROC.

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92fb currently a TBI 305, (hold the laughter to a minimum). Going to be a 350 carb with 350HP and 400FT/Lbs.

 

Yes it really is quite a bit different, kiddo. I,ve had an IROC for 1 year and an RS for 4 years. I KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. :P

 

go with whichever body is better. that is the hardest and most expensive stuff to work on unless you're a professional body man. I think you should put eveything in the RS. great sleeper. Most people think they have the v6 anyway because of the 4thgen RS.

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'89 Formula WS-6
[soon to be Torch Red with black hood and headlights =) ]

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It has stiffer springs, bigger sway bars, and the "wonder bar". Any other differences? NO, big differences, all of those parts are fairly easy to swap. Better parts than the IROC had can also be found in the aftermarket.

Like I said before, just for the suspension it's not worth buying another car for. The engine + suspension is, plus keep it for a parts car(or spare unibody in case of crash or something).

Oh and the shocks/struts where different, but those would be replacement parts in a swap anyway, they should be worn out by now.

speedlvr, 91bird305, how old are you?

[This message has been edited by Keith5 (edited March 04, 2001).]

 

No big differences besides the suspension huh? Hmmmm, lets take a look under the hoods.....oh wow, a L98 (225h and 330tq) Oh no, a LO3....(170hp and 255tq)
Oh wow TPI! Oh No, TBI Oh Wow 3:27 gears! Oh No...2:73's.
I think I rest my case.....
Hey chevyguy8 I hope you can see the difference here.
Oh and BTW: I am 20 Keith, thanks for asking.


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Eric Natzke
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It really doesn't make any difference how old I am. What does matter is that I personally own the same two cars we are talking about and that means I know what I am talking about more than say, you who doesn't have the same two cars. But, in order for you to be able to sleep tonight, I am 33 and do all the work on and drive both cars daily. I won't ask how old you are. Rather, I will ask how much time you've spent driving both cars to really know the difference.

 

Alright kid, I didn't say that. I was just talking about the suspension.

 

Man let this stuff rest there are differences they can be good or bad depending on what to do. And 91bird you can't even get your car to run so i wouldn't say much.

 

speedlvr, I know there's a difference driving them, but it isn't anything special that makes the diffrences, they have the same parts, the IROC's are just bigger. The suspension systems themselves are the same.

Depending on the nature of the body damage it probably isn't worth fixing up the IROC when he could drop the 350 and the slap the suspension on the RS.

[This message has been edited by Keith5 (edited March 04, 2001).]

 

LoL, funny u should mention that u dipsh*t. I just started on the car today and got it running in 15 min. Weird huh? Oh well, guess that says a lot about me.

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Eric Natzke
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It only took you 2 months. Then wtf was the problem? you said you would post it but you haven't. Was it your own screwup that broke it?? Is that why you haven't posted it?

[This message has been edited by bullfrawg (edited March 04, 2001).]

 

I never posted cause I just started today. I live in Michigan...BRRRR COLD! I store the car in the winter so...A: I was in no hurry to getting it done. B: I was away at college so I couldn't get it done anyways, I set aside spring break to work on it.

Now this was my first day of SB and I worked on it cause it was 55 degrees out. I checked for codes. Only got a code 12 which means everything is runnin fine and nothing after that. So the battery was dead from before so I thought I would charge it up. Double checked everything and it started right up. I thought it would have been my CTS sensor because that controls the fuel flow or maybe my O2. But they both came back ok. And I took the car out for a little bit and it ran awesome. (3/4 throttle and I barked them good in second gear ) So everything is back to normal. I checked the plugs and they are turning back to a tanish white color and that is good. So I just washed it and put it back in the garage again till May. Ok there. Is that good enough for ya?

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
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Alright (sorry illegal word)! Let me get it straight, you can put your car up for a couple months, then come back and it works without doing anything. (AGAIN)! You think that would work for my car? If I put mine up for a couple of months and when I go back it will have a new 350 in it? That might work in the world of fairies, but not here in the real world!

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1991 Camaro RS 305 5spd
-IROC Hood
-IROC Wheels
-IROC Grill
-Blue Neons
-Bowtie Foglights
-weight mod, empty engine compartment

1994 S10 2.2 5spd
-Dixie Horn, Air Horns, Knight Rider Lights, 162,000+ miles

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[This message has been edited by snflupigus (edited March 05, 2001).]

 

2thpick, hey NEWBIE how are you doin.

Ive seen a few of your posts now that arent acceptable.

Do it again, and ill ban your *ss from the boards.

Take your adolecent anger out somewhere else pal.

DAMN, I am so tired of sh*t posts like this,

PEOPLE dont post this crap!!!



[This message has been edited by snflupigus (edited March 05, 2001).]

 

LoL, YUP! Pretty cool huh? Hey man, I can't explain it. So don't act like an A$$. It is odd I know. Must have been the weather. Who knows. I must be in the world of faries and thats why ur posting here.

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Eric Natzke
91 Firebird 305 TBI
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[This message has been edited by 91Bird305 (edited March 05, 2001).]