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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 01:03 PM
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hi i just got this engine 305 tbi not looking to get a alot of hp but might need to get some parts to look a lil nice anybody have recomendation aon what i could delete and the engine bay look cleaner.

want to keep the a/c and heating.

can i delete the egr with out any problems?
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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 02:31 PM
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Do a , and check out the tech articles link on the homepage.

There are a lot of helpful threads, tech articles, and knowledgeable people on this site.

Welcome!
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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 02:42 PM
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Re: new to tbi

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can i delete the egr with out any problems?
For what reson would you like to delete EGR?
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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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Re: new to tbi

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For what reson would you like to delete EGR?
X2. The EGR when functioning properly has no effect on WOT power and deleting it on a stock engine can cause valve damage due to excessive combustion temps. Unless your running aftermarket heads with stainless valves and a retuned ECM, I recommend you keep the EGR in working order.
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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 03:20 PM
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my friend deleted his egr for some reason or another on his camaro and it didnt turn out too pretty.
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Old Sep 29, 2010 | 05:51 PM
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well reason for deleting the egr is cuz im putting hears and the headers dont come with the egr
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 10:55 AM
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Re: new to tbi

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well reason for deleting the egr is cuz im putting hears and the headers dont come with the egr
I run headers and still have EGR. Your headers shouldn't have anything to do with EGR unless you run vortec heads and need to plumb them to your exhaust.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 05:11 PM
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Re: new to tbi

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well reason for deleting the egr is cuz im putting hears and the headers dont come with the egr
AIR and EGR are 2 completly different things.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 05:29 PM
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AIR and EGR are 2 completly different things.
DITTO. Souns like youre confusing AIR, with the pipes to the manifolds, with EGR, which is all in the intake manifold and heads. If youre using aftermarket heads(stainless valves), you can run without EGR if you like. However, your stock ECM program may have issues with it. The stock fuel map is very lean. The EGR prevents high combustion temps to help allow these lean mixtures. Without EGR you will run high cylinder temps.

You can overcome this by lowering coolant temp and richening fuel mixture. The cheapest way to do this is a 160f thermostat and fan controller, or fan temp switch, and an adjustable FPR to increase fuel pressure.
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 07:25 PM
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reason i ask is cuz the stock manifolds i have have a some wierd little tubes inbetween the manild and the headers that i already got dont
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Old Sep 30, 2010 | 07:29 PM
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Transmission: 700r4, 4l60e, & 4spd auto
Axle/Gears: 3.73, 3.73, & 3.73
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thinking about adding some more mods to my lil 305 tell me if they are any good thanks.

Pullies
Air cleaners K&N
cam LT1 is it possible?

and rebuilding the engine still want to the 305 dont want to go any bigger love the gas milage full tank last me almost 2 weeks.

i will take nay suggestions just dont tell me to go 350 cuz i wont.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 06:32 PM
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Edelbrock makes a better flowing intake manifold. You said youre going with better heads. Im not sure about the LT1 cam. You might try Comp Cams cam selection program. You can download it from there website. And of course a good set of 1 5/8 headers.

Im fairly certain that the tubes youre talkng about are AIR system. That you can delete. It is strictly an emissions device designed to lower HC emissions by injecting fresh air into the manifolds/cat. The tubes in the manifolds only operate for about 1-2 minutes after a cold start to help heat up the exhaust manifolds. After that the air switches to the cat. A good cat on a well tuned engine reduces HC just fine without AIR.
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