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Old Sep 28, 2011 | 06:24 PM
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New motor has no performance

Hi I just got my rebuilt 305 installed and it has a mild cam and a wiend x celerator intake with the tbi to carb intake adapter plate but other than tthat its stock. I set the timing and its hard to keep it idling but I took it for a spin and it just has no power and just boggs down like something is keeping it from doineg anything at all. I forgot to mention its in a 92 caprice. Any help would be awsome thanks.
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Old Sep 28, 2011 | 07:43 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Check the fuel pressure. You'll probably have raise the fuel pressure as that intake moves alot more air.
Is it possible that harmonic balancer has slipped? If so your timing maybe way retarded, try advancing it. Make sure it advances when you rev the engine.
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Old Sep 28, 2011 | 07:46 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Not enough info-

What cam?
What tuning have you done?
Fuel pressure?
Cold air mods?
Performance chip?
Rear gear ratio?
Tire size?

anything else you can think of would help us...
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Old Sep 28, 2011 | 09:36 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

The gear is 3.08
The tire size is 255/35/ZR20
The cam is a comp extreme energy the intake lift is .447 exhaust is .454 the intake duration is256 and exhaust is 268 and the lobe seperation is 110°. As far as tuning ,chips, cold air mods I havent got there yet I didnt know if something minor could be doing it.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 10:06 AM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Tune tune tune along with an exhaust. From what I understand tbi won't be easy to tune with your 110 lsa cam.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 10:48 AM
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yeah the 110 LSA is a problem. Look into getting a chip tuned for you, or buying self tuning program like dynamicefi.com flash EBL
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 11:21 AM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Datalogging + Tuning 4 sure. Does it run better > 160F or < ?

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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 11:26 AM
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Re: New motor has no performance

No it runs alot worse
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 11:41 AM
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Re: New motor has no performance

worse which way over or under?
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 12:09 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Over just as soon as it warms up it gets pretty bad
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 12:17 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

All adds up. OL it runs off a fuel map based on RPM/MAP- A/F. No 02 sensor feedback. CL it uses BLM and a fuel map that is not correct for needs of motor. Also the cam may be sending more 02 to NB sensor causing ECU to add fuel.

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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 12:55 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Would that have an affect on it even while im trying to drive it
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 01:03 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

yes it would. Idle as well. you need to go to DIY board here and study the stickies. also one of the best is TBI sticky "free tune".
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 01:09 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Can I tune it with just the ALDL cable and a program
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 01:24 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

I tinkered with it yesterday and took it for a spin and it just boggs down, the rpms wont even climb when it gets into second gear.
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 01:24 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

I think the OBD 2 vehcles allow that. Ours is 1. Only tune by a wire to ECU that I know of is provided by dynamicefi.com. I have that in my car. My ECU was modded by them(RBob) to allow a flash to update ECU prom in about 3 seconds. It also makes corrections to bin as I drive. If I accept corrections I flash it into ECU. Megasquirt way be similar....

edit: consider making buying an aldl cable and dowload winaldl(free) and report values to us. you have a laptop?

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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 03:06 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

I do not have a laptop
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 03:12 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Is that something that cam be tuned by that program
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Old Sep 29, 2011 | 03:20 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

go to their site and read up. ebay for used laptop. serial port favored over usb.
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 05:48 AM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Would swapping cams make these issues go away
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 11:09 AM
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Re: New motor has no performance

what size cam do you have now?

is intake a single plane? If so it may need tuning as the intake internally is larger on surface area. Needs more fuel in AE or aka pumpshot.
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 01:11 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

The cam has 447/454 lift with a lsa of 110° and the intake is a low rise single plane.
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 01:40 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Originally Posted by Dustin Thummel
The cam has 447/454 lift with a lsa of 110° and the intake is a low rise single plane.
Comp Cams Xtreme Energy 256, 12-234-2

http://www.compcams.com/technical/Dy...56H-10_001.asp
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 01:40 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Not terribly large but enoung to require a tune.
It will require tuning due to single plane as well....

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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 02:08 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

I also have a dual plane holley and this motor is an early non roller motor
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 02:20 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

Ducking for cover but from reading it id bet the simplicity of putting a carb on it will make up for maybe 1-2MPG difference.

http://www.nationalcarburetors.com/

Great place, give them your engine and car specs and they will send you one you can just drop on and go. You will just smile every time you stomp it.

very affordable too, one could resell their work even with the core charge n make money.

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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 03:10 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

I have the tbi on it with an adapter plate but do you think going with a carb would be better.
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

if you do not want to learn to program yourself... or pay for a dyno tune.. then yes a carb is your only alternative
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 03:59 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

I wouldnt mind knowing how to do all of the computer work but I just dont have the funds todo s, it took me a year to get where I am now.
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Old Sep 30, 2011 | 04:26 PM
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Re: New motor has no performance

call national and get a carb, their lvl2 performance qjet is under $270 shipped.
Just bolt it on and go.

autozone or local will charge more then $300 for a stock tune carb you will have to fiddle with.
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