I know more than just hp power plays a part in getting the front tires to raise off the ground. But lets just if you get your suspension working right and the car hooking good, how much do you guys think you would have to have. Do you think this is possible on street tires or just slicks. Also, if you have any pictures of your wheelies, I would love to see them. I know there will be alot of different opinions on this, but lets see them all.

 

Well, friend of mine was at the street races last weekend and there was a black mustang that was lifting the front wheels 2 feet in the air. He was running slicks and a mastive amount of VHT. He got his *** handed to him by another mustang that the guy sunk 20,000 dollars into the motor but didn't lift the wheels at all. Then that guy got beat by my friend's Chevelle by about 2.5 car lengths, whew. The one mustang with the 20,000 dollar engine I guess was showing off time slips of being in the high 10's like 10.80's. Still got beat :hail: But, I have no idea how much power it takes to lift the front.

 

Just move a whole lot of wieght behind the rear wheels Just sand bag that bad boy, that will scare em ...

Sorry no pictures, my car is strickly terrestrial...

Ron

 

You're contradicting yourself.

"car hooking good" and "street tires" don't go together.

It's not HP but torque. 600 HP or torque won't raise the front end if you can't get the power to the ground.

It's also weight transfer. A nose heavy third gen would need a lot of torque and traction to lift the front end while a car that has a more 50/50 weight distribution won't need as much.

Other factors include launch rpm. An automatic without a transbrake although possible to lift the front wheels will have a much harder time than the same car with a transbrake. It would be easier with a manual transmission car but don't expect a stock clutch or a T5 tranny to be able to do it and survive.

Most well built street cars running low 12's should be able to get at least the drivers front tire a little bit off the ground. That's just because of the engine torque on the frame.

Watching SuperStock cars lifting the whole front end up means they have good traction with very big tires, good weight transfer and a lot of torque.

Install the engine in the rear of the car. It would pull the front wheels up with just a light touch of the gas.

Usually a full size car that's over 3000 pounds that needs wheelie bars because of wheel stands is producing at least 700 hp.

 

Pick up this month's Hot Rod. A thirdgen Formula doing a wheelie right on the cover. Excellent story, too. Stock to 10s, step by step--on a stock 89 shortblock :hail: :hail: :hail:

 

I think cars in the 10s and very low 11s can do wheelies. I have no idea on HP because it varies from car to car. My friend can do a wheelie in his bug because of the low weight in the front. It's very fast but not a low 11sec or 10 car at all.

 

What, it's not possible to get a good hook on street tires. Wasn't contradicting myself, just asked if it was possible on streets. Like I said, I know there is alot of factors, just thought it would be interesting to get your guys opinions. I know you can put a 900 hp car on ice and get no traction, not get a wheelie any way you try. Thats common scense. Thats why I said, if your car is hooking good. Didn't say, if your car is hooking good on streets, just asked if it was possible on streets.

 

ive seen a wheelie done on the street, the car had big slicks though. 4 link and tubbed.

 

To answer your question, yes it is "possible" to pull the front wheels off the ground on street legal tires. I have seen quite a few cars do it with M/T et street tires and M/H (i think thats what they are called) street drags. An old friend of mine had a 89 Mustang LX coupe with 600~ish HP and ET streets and could pull the wheels about 2 foot off the ground every time. These tires are DOT approved and "street legal", but they are not every day street tires if you know what I mean.

 

ET Street tires are not a street tire. They are a slick with just enough grooves cut in the tread to qualify for a DOT rating. They are still a slick. They are designed for racing classes that must run a DOT approved tire. They were never designed to be run on the street.

 

I stand corrected. Sorry. Everyone runs 'em on the street with no problems and they are called ET streets so I thought they were legal. My bad...

 

they are "legal"

but they arnt a good idea.


btw, what does it take to lift the car?

well, you need to move the weight around the car.. thats all.

best way i can explain this is on the motorcycle..

if you are down low on the bike, you can pop the clutch and the wheel stays on the ground...

but if you stand up, the bike will lift without trying..

why?

because the CG is higher.

so if you wanted to make a street legal wheel stander, i would relocate as much weight as i could high and far back..

it wont be the best for launching, but it will help make the wheels come off the ground

as for tires, you need somthing really sticky...

for a street show stopper, some way of spraying VHT on the tires, and running DOT legal slicks could work...


honestly though, ive never seen a car lift both wheels without real slicks....

 

what do you think hp is?

hp = (tq*rpm)/5252

and if anything the the higher hp might better be able to do it due to the sudden surge of forward moment caused by the high rpms launch

so

 

Geez, sure brought this out from the dead MrDude

 

I get some light under mine. If you watch my video, the car kinda learches sideways a tad bit.

My 60 foot times are in the low 1.5s, and I still get some wheel spin. At the last track I was at, I was getting even more wheel lift, and could feel it through the wheel touch down. But my 60' times were higher 1.57s. Guess it all depends.

This weekend I am lookin at another vette that runs in the mid 9s at 139 MPH!

Here is a picture of the arch rival to the car I am considering buying



My buddy know the guy pretty well and he said with some wheelie bars attached to the back fo the car, it would probably break into the 8s! Now the guy leaves off after launching and lets the front come down, then cranks on it again for the mid 9s passes.

I'm still a little leary about having that quick of a car. That would be a real quick and easy way to die.

But if I look at it, I know the thrill of running such a beast will be too much to resist. I just have to figure out how to get both cars to the track and drive them at the same time.

Oh yeah they said it put out 800+ Rwhp! Its a 406 like mine, except the addition of a SC. Totally stock looking, and cranks like a raped ape!

Hope you like the picture....

 

763 at the flex-plate:

 

A buddy of mine got his nova to do wheelstands with like 400-500 HP on slicks. The car was completely stripped though.

 

you know, i didnt even notice the date until now. i was doing a unrelated search and was intrested enough to reply. lol..

 

Ill see if I can find a pic of my Dart pulling the wheels up. It will usually yank them up 2 to 2 1/2 feet with a 360, 3500 stall, no trans brake, 4.88 gears and 28.5/9.50-15 slicks. The car weighs 2770 with me in it. I run high 10's with it. Not sure what it will do when I get the 4-speed in it.

 

oh wait Mr dude


I have a few words I want to speak to you

there was a post on TGO

you complained because I brought it back from the dead...... and now you do the same






figures domestic owners always ragging on the import guys.... but the domestic man does it


it's ricerism

I know it

 

There's a guy over at Iroc-zpost.com with a 305 breaking 12's & lifting the wheels up. So much for the HP theory.