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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 12:09 PM
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Car: 1987 1SICIROC.....1999 TransAm
Engine: 385 HSR.....LS1
Transmission: 700R4 with Midwest 3400 2.4str...M6
Axle/Gears: SLP Zexel Posi unit 3.42's...3.73's
Should I wait? or crank it!

When I get home tonight after work, alls I have left to do is put the passsenger side plug wires in and then I can turn key and see if my car even starts........

My question is, since I have removed all my air and EGR stuff and with the other mods Ive done should I wait till I get my custom chip made and attempt to crank it after I put it in....or just crank it with the stock chip in?


My other question is, other than beng real loud is it ok to run a car with nothing but shortie headers on? Nothing, no y-pipe no nothing, just the headers...I need to drive it to the muffler shop and get them to fix my y-pipe....so will it be ok for the engine to run it?

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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 12:20 PM
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1. If it were me, I wouldn't start it until it was done. Then I have the satisfaction of hearing her run, and takin her out for the first time. But then again, you want to make sure shes working properly.
2. Xcept Emissions, And it will be super loud. If the cops dont mind u can run it over there, won't hurt anything. Just dont mind the smell, and dont open her up. Just sunday cruise her over to the shop, and friday night her back
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 12:26 PM
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Just sunday cruise her over to the shop, and friday night her back
Ha that is pretty funny... I would not start it at all. It will be okay to run open headers but it will be loud. Al;so are you getting the EGR deleted from the prom? If you start the car with the stock chip you are going to have problems. EGR is actually a good thing and your car will be looking for it as it idles.
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 12:59 PM
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From: Winston salem, NC
Car: 1987 1SICIROC.....1999 TransAm
Engine: 385 HSR.....LS1
Transmission: 700R4 with Midwest 3400 2.4str...M6
Axle/Gears: SLP Zexel Posi unit 3.42's...3.73's
yes Im going to have it removed from the prom....and there is no putting it back on. I have capped all the vaccums and cut the connections where it hooked up. Plenty of people have removed the EGR with no problems other than the SES light coming on but I dont want the light on so Im going to have it removed from the Chip....

that way my car will not be looking for it at idles


but wont I still be able to crank it with the stock chip so I can TIME it and set my IAC and TPS?...then just let it run for a few.....then replace with custom chip when I get it......

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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 05:34 PM
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From: Winston salem, NC
Car: 1987 1SICIROC.....1999 TransAm
Engine: 385 HSR.....LS1
Transmission: 700R4 with Midwest 3400 2.4str...M6
Axle/Gears: SLP Zexel Posi unit 3.42's...3.73's
almost ready!.........just gotta cut the wires and put the boots on......LOL..its like expecting a baby!...getting nervous..

I'll post a pic in a few!
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 08:17 PM
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From: Winston salem, NC
Car: 1987 1SICIROC.....1999 TransAm
Engine: 385 HSR.....LS1
Transmission: 700R4 with Midwest 3400 2.4str...M6
Axle/Gears: SLP Zexel Posi unit 3.42's...3.73's
alright guys..here it is, ready to come to life after almost 7 months of pure agony!.....I bumped the key over and it sound like it was going to crank.......im scared!!!!...LOL!

ITs still sitting up on all four jack stands...
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 08:18 PM
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From: Winston salem, NC
Car: 1987 1SICIROC.....1999 TransAm
Engine: 385 HSR.....LS1
Transmission: 700R4 with Midwest 3400 2.4str...M6
Axle/Gears: SLP Zexel Posi unit 3.42's...3.73's
somebody come over here and crank'er up!!!!...I cant take it!


I guess I shold wait til I get the custom chip for it..huh?

hey....the A/C condensor....can I just cap that off til I put the hoses back on it?....
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 09:38 PM
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Not sure of all the mods you've done, but if this is a fresh engine, I would wait. If not, it'd be ok to drive it over there. Just watch out for the popo.

The best sound to me is a fresh engine cranking with open headers...

*HUFF-HUFF-HUFF-HUFF* then the oh-so-sweet sound of open headers :hail: :hail: :hail:
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 09:43 PM
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Go a head and fire it up!!! Your not goin to hurt anything by just firing it to see if it starts. Because you got rid of the EGR isnt at all a bad thing when it come to firing it up. I started my 356 on the stock 305 prom with no trouble. I just wouldnt let it run for more than a minute though. Just fire it up and start to idle then shut her off and celeibrate!!!


Give'r He11

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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 09:46 PM
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From: Winston salem, NC
Car: 1987 1SICIROC.....1999 TransAm
Engine: 385 HSR.....LS1
Transmission: 700R4 with Midwest 3400 2.4str...M6
Axle/Gears: SLP Zexel Posi unit 3.42's...3.73's
its not new...its still my crappy ol 305........

added:

LT1 cam
1.6 rollers
double roller timing chain
new springs
under drive pullies
160 stat
160 fan switch
SLP Tri-Y 1.58 headers...ACS coated
MSD wires, coil and cap
removed all my air crap and EGR

along with the mods in my sig...so Im sure it will run pretty good...yeah I hope!!


I think thats it ....cant remember.......


OH ! it cranks right up, I cranked it and ran for about 1 sec and I shut it off...just that little bit was loud!!!!!! wife heard it inside the house...LOL...



let me ask you guys something....once I get it fully cranked in the morning what do I do? let it run for a few then set the timing? then set the others stuff? when should I check the fuel pressure?
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 09:54 PM
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Let the motor warm completly up and then st ur timing. Remember to unplug the bypass wire and to have the car in gear when setting base timing. After that go ahead and make sure that ur TPS voltage is between .52 and .56 volts. also make sure ur IAC is correct to. then its jutst little tunin and tweakin to get it just right. u can check fuel pressure without the motor running. Just hook ur gauge up w/ the pressure bled off. then unplug the vac line goin to the AFPR. After that turn on ur key but dont start ur motor. Ur fuel pressure will go up and from there bump ur fuel pressure up, then check to make sure ur where ur u wanna be.

Good to hear it started!!

Jason
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 09:57 PM
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Checking the timing would be what I'd do first, then as she's running for the first time, I usually do some quick checks to make sure everything is going according to plan (no leaks, no strange noises, etc)... I always hook the timing light up before I crank it over for the first time, so I can get it timed, then I go over everything else, then once everything is going well, check the timing again once its warmed up...

BTW, your setup looks REAL nice.. I like how everything turned out!! I really dig the wire looms.. Looks very nice as a package!
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 09:58 PM
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Car: 1987 1SICIROC.....1999 TransAm
Engine: 385 HSR.....LS1
Transmission: 700R4 with Midwest 3400 2.4str...M6
Axle/Gears: SLP Zexel Posi unit 3.42's...3.73's
Originally posted by Fbirdta878787
Let the motor warm completly up and then st ur timing. Remember to unplug the bypass wire and to have the car in gear when setting base timing.

Jason

have the car in gear? I didnt think you have to do that when setting timing? I never have.
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 10:01 PM
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Yeah, shouldn't matter if its in gear or not... Shouldn't even matter if its warmed up either (the higher idle shouldn't affect it with the EST disconnected since we aren't dealing with centrifugal spark advance or anything)...
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by Wishmaster's87IROC
have the car in gear? I didnt think you have to do that when setting timing? I never have.
Its what is recommened you do to make sure Idle RPM's are good and that it wont die on u when put into gear. Also I think the timing changes when put into gear. Although I may not be correct but its what we do all the time at our shop.

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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Fbirdta878787
Its what is recommened you do to make sure Idle RPM's are good and that it wont die on u when put into gear. Also I think the timing changes when put into gear. Although I may not be correct but its what we do all the time at our shop.

Jason
The idle is computer controlled along with the spark advance.. Once you disconnect the EST wire, you can set the base timing to spec... Only in an application where you have a centrifugal advance distributor would you need to ensure that the RPM's are below a certain point so you can set base timing..
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Old Feb 11, 2004 | 10:32 PM
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LMAO, I ripped all emission devices from my 302.

I set the timeing 6 degrees advanced, what I did was start it up tehn hooked up teh timing light, pulled my advances, and then set teh timing.
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by Wishmaster's87IROC
alright guys..here it is, ready to come to life after almost 7 months of pure agony!.....I bumped the key over and it sound like it was going to crank.......im scared!!!!...LOL!

ITs still sitting up on all four jack stands...
Your scared? LMAO That sounds funny coming from a guy with an avatar like yours!! LOL
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 10:08 AM
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From: Winston salem, NC
Car: 1987 1SICIROC.....1999 TransAm
Engine: 385 HSR.....LS1
Transmission: 700R4 with Midwest 3400 2.4str...M6
Axle/Gears: SLP Zexel Posi unit 3.42's...3.73's
Im just going to crank it up and let it warm up for the first time in months. I'll then set all the sensors and timing, fill the rad the rest of the way up and then shut it off and wait to get the new prom and then do it all over again.....just want to get it in the ballpark.....I know I'll get the EGR code but im curious if I get any others. Time will tell. I'll take a mpeg movie of crankin it and letting it run but I dont have anywhere to host...maybe I'll ask one of you guys to post it for me.
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Old Feb 12, 2004 | 12:29 PM
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