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Old Jan 31, 2001 | 01:39 PM
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Can't put it in first gear sometimes!! What's up?

if its my trans im gonna be pissed because i just got it rebuilt by aamco in july. luckily i still have the paper that says i have a 12 month warranty.

or is it my clutch? it doesnt slip at all its about 2 years old.

anyone know whats going on?

EDIT: btw, its a 92 Z28 305 5-speed. it has the world class trans.


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Old Jan 31, 2001 | 01:59 PM
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Same damn thing happens to me! I come to a stop and can't get it back into first with out wiggleing it forever..then it goes fine. It's very very annoying..what does wiggleing the shifter do?

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-Removed, Then Re-installed (out of fear) MAF Screens
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Old Jan 31, 2001 | 02:16 PM
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I experienced the same thing. It ended up being my clutch. It could also be your synchros

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Old Jan 31, 2001 | 03:13 PM
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this is bs i dont think its my clutch because it never slips. im going to kill those fools at aamco.

could there be another possiblity??? Vader... GMTech... HELP!!
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Old Jan 31, 2001 | 03:20 PM
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There is a possibility that the clutch is working too well. I don't know if third-gens have hydraulic clutches or mechanical, but it's possible that the clutch is not getting 100% disengaged. If this is true...then all the bits and pieces could be turning just a little on the inside. In that case, you might have a problem getting it into it's lowest gears.... first and reverse would most obvious offenders.

but I could be wrong. It's more a guess than anything else.
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Old Feb 1, 2001 | 12:25 AM
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so what should i tell the guys at aamco?
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Old Feb 1, 2001 | 07:27 PM
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Yes yes yes! I think my clutch is working too well. I like thinking of it in that manner..How does one correct this problem? I cant ever get it in to first but I can get it into other gears. What harm am I doing by forcing it into gear when I don't have the time to ease it in by wiggleing the shifter for 3 minutes? When I try and put it in revers it always grinds unless I first put it in first. Help!

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-Red '88 IROC 5 Speed 305 TPI w/3.08
-Dual Friction Centerforce Clutch
-Accel 300+ Racing Ignition
-Accel 300+ Pro Sleeve Plug Wires
-Accel U-Groove Plugs
-Flowmaster Force II 3 Chamber Cat Back Exhaust
-Hypertech Chip
-Hypertech Airfoil
-Removed, Then Re-installed (out of fear) MAF Screens
-Gutted Air Box
-Best E/T 14.686, 60' 2.205, 1/8th mile 9.461, 1/4 MPH 93.91
-Best 60' 2.17
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Old Feb 1, 2001 | 07:34 PM
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Perhaps your clutch is not realesing all the way. Mine did the same thing to me. Once you got it in first it was fine. I had to adjust my cluch linkage so it would realeas all the way.

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Old Feb 1, 2001 | 07:40 PM
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I have the linkage adjusted so that the Hex bolt is screwed ALL the way in. This way the clutch only grabs at the very very top and I can shift faster. Is it possible that I have it adjusted too far? It seems like the father in, the less likely it would fail to release but there have been instances where I have been wrong..

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-Dual Friction Centerforce Clutch
-Accel 300+ Racing Ignition
-Accel 300+ Pro Sleeve Plug Wires
-Accel U-Groove Plugs
-Flowmaster Force II 3 Chamber Cat Back Exhaust
-Hypertech Chip
-Hypertech Airfoil
-Removed, Then Re-installed (out of fear) MAF Screens
-Gutted Air Box
-Best E/T 14.686, 60' 2.205, 1/8th mile 9.461, 1/4 MPH 93.91
-Best 60' 2.17
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Old Feb 1, 2001 | 08:10 PM
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About the grinding in reverse until you go into first......my uncle told me (unsure where he got the info, but when it comes to Chevy's I'd trust him ANYDAY) that on the older standards it was designed to be put into 1st before reverse for some reason. You don't HAVE to, but it eliminates the grinding. My Blazer even did that.

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Old Feb 1, 2001 | 08:51 PM
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Really.. I wasn't aware of this. It's an '88 World Class..I have a problem believing that though..can you imagine someone test driving that? "No it's not broken sir, It's just gay stock.." I guess it could be though..I thought it had something to with the flywheel still spinning..You very well could be right though..

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  • Red '88 IROC 5 Speed 305 TPI w/3.08
  • Dual Friction Centerforce Clutch
  • Accel 300+ Racing Ignition
  • Accel 300+ Pro Sleeve Plug Wires
  • Accel U-Groove Plugs
  • Flowmaster Force II 3 Chamber Cat Back Exhaust
  • Hypertech Chip
  • Hypertech Airfoil
  • Removed, Then Re-installed (out of fear) MAF Screens
  • Gutted Air Box
  • Best E/T 14.686, 60' 2.205, 1/8th mile 9.461, 1/4 MPH 93.91
  • Best 60' 2.17
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Old Feb 2, 2001 | 03:58 PM
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ummm, well since your car is an 88 yarn, you have a hydralic clutch hence no linkage per say. anyways, the "hex" adjustment is the ballstud, which really isn't adjustable. the ballstud should be as tight as you can get it. besides, screwing it in would HELP disengage the clutch not hinder it. i have made the mistake myself of thinking the ballstud was there for adjustment.

here is a few things to look at:
1)ballstud tight
2)bled slave cylinder
3)bad pressure plate
4)BENT CLUTCH FORK!!!!!! which is notorious for fbodys...get a heavy duty one from summit or jegs since it is cheaper then getting one from napa, atleast for me anyways.

the bend wont be noticeable unless you compare it to a new clutch fork, it doesn't take much!

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Old Feb 2, 2001 | 04:44 PM
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I see..hmm..I don't think the hex is loose at all..I loctited the ufck outta it. How mch of a pain is it to replace the fork? If I am gonna drop the tranny I might as well change the leaking main seal..thanks alot for the help dude..

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  • Red '88 IROC 5 Speed 305 TPI w/3.08
  • Dual Friction Centerforce Clutch
  • Accel 300+ Racing Ignition
  • Accel 300+ Pro Sleeve Plug Wires
  • Accel U-Groove Plugs
  • Flowmaster Force II 3 Chamber Cat Back Exhaust
  • Hypertech Chip
  • Hypertech Airfoil
  • Removed, Then Re-installed (out of fear) MAF Screens
  • Gutted Air Box
  • Best E/T 14.686, 60' 2.205, 1/8th mile 9.461, 1/4 MPH 93.91
  • Best 60' 2.17
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Old Feb 2, 2001 | 05:30 PM
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hey yarn, the fork slides out all nice and easy from the bellhousing . loctite...forgot to mention that but seems you are on top of that already. as for the mainseal, that should be easy as well, getting to it is the hard part. guess you can use your $100 mod money for other go faster stuff now
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Old Feb 2, 2001 | 11:58 PM
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anyone got a part number from summit for the heavy duty fork ??
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Old Feb 3, 2001 | 10:11 AM
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seems my summit catalogue is missing but i did find the jegs. 620-15500 part # for gm heavy duty replacement clutch fork.
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Old Feb 3, 2001 | 03:29 PM
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My trasmission does it on my 86Z does the same thing it gets stuck when trying to go into first and i let the clutch back out and put it back in then it goes into first.also i put just put it in reverse it grinds if i put into second then reverse it doesn't grind
also sometimes when i am driving if i shift from 3rd to 4th sometimes it grinds a little bit. i heard that it is the syncros.
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Old Feb 4, 2001 | 09:39 AM
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I was always told to shift into 2nd, then up to 1st. something about the synchros being on the same part of the H pattern. Also works good 4 me when going into reverse [worn synchro] i just shift to 5th and then reverse, no grinding.

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Old Feb 4, 2001 | 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Ovrclck350:
About the grinding in reverse until you go into first......my uncle told me (unsure where he got the info, but when it comes to Chevy's I'd trust him ANYDAY) that on the older standards it was designed to be put into 1st before reverse for some reason. You don't HAVE to, but it eliminates the grinding. My Blazer even did that.
Always engage a forward gear before entering reverse. It doesn't really matter what gear it is, as long as it's a forward gear. There are no synchro clutches on the reverse gearing. Engaging a forward gear forces the mainshaft to come to a complete stop. Once the mainshaft is completely stopped, the reverse idler is allowed to engage the mainshaft and reverse gear while they are at rest. Oil friction and inertia will keep the mainshaft turning a bit even after the clutch is released, and trying to enter a gear without synchros to a moving mainshaft/gear will cause the "grinding".

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