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Old May 24, 2004 | 11:49 PM
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New motor won't start

I need some ideas guys. I am going brain dead. I can't get my engine to fire up. I have spark and fuel and even pulled out the distributor to ensire #1 TDC. I double checked the wires and everythings seems right. I have pops and the occasional backfire coming out of the headers. I have fuel in the sight glass. I just can't figure out why it won't start tonight.

Not sure what info is relavant here....its all new stuff.
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Old May 25, 2004 | 12:08 AM
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You sure spark is making it to the plugs?

Pull the #1 plug and ground it to the frame and see if you getting spark. If your getting fuel for sure and you have compression then the only thing stopping it is spark. I'm sure you know this though.

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Old May 25, 2004 | 04:48 AM
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rockers too tight, timing out. not sure how pulling the distributor ensires (sic) #1 is @ TDC. usually pulling the spark plug to #1 will go a lot farther towards finding TDC.
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Old May 25, 2004 | 06:09 AM
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Sounds like your distributor is installed 180° out.

Remember, there are 2 instances of #1 TDC per complete engine cycle, but only one of them is #1 firing. The other is the moment at which the #1 exhaust valve is closing, and the #1 intake valve is just starting to open, at the end of the exhaust stroke and beginning of the intake stroke. That point is also #6 firing. If you hit #1 with spark at that moment, with both valves open like that, you will light of fuel in both the intake and the exhaust. Of course if it's 180° out on #1, it's 180° out on all the rest too.

Remove the distributor partway by lifting it straight out until the gear disengages (about 2" is enough); rotate the shaft exactly 180°; drop it back in. I'll bet it will come alot closer to running.
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Old May 25, 2004 | 12:28 PM
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I had the same problem. My rockers were too tight. Back 'em off and try to fire it.
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Old May 25, 2004 | 01:28 PM
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I'll pull a valve cove tonight and check out that I have the correct TDC. As for the rockers being too tight - I tightened them 1/2 a turn past when the pushrods became too tight to spin with my fingers. Any chance that is too tight?
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Old May 25, 2004 | 01:37 PM
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Depends on how hard you grip them when trying to spin them....

The procedure IS NOT to tighten them until you can't spin them; it really is, to tighten them until you feel some drag or resistance. At that point, the rocker will be pushed down by the nut enough to meet the push rod as it sits in its seat in the lifter, and there will be no slack left in there.

If you think you might have them too tight, back them off a turn or something and try it. Only takes about 5 seconds per nut. At worst they'll clatter, and you'll just have to re-tighten them back to where you had them; on the other hand, you might get it to work. It might be worth a try.
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Old May 25, 2004 | 02:14 PM
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I guess they may be too tight then. And you're right - it is worth a try. Thanks for the replies.
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Old May 25, 2004 | 02:48 PM
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you also have to watch the lifter doesn't start spinning on you and you think the push rod isn't tight enough yet.
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Old May 25, 2004 | 07:17 PM
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Keep backing them off 1/4 turn until it fires.

I made the same mistakes. I went until the push rod quit turning then gave it a 1/2 turn.

The tightness will also depend on how well your lifters were loaded.
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Old May 26, 2004 | 12:34 PM
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Got it started last night. I backed off the rockers and re-installed the distributor correctly. Timing was 160* out. Thanks for the replies.
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Old May 26, 2004 | 01:08 PM
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180 not 160, i bet that was a typo right?
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Old May 26, 2004 | 01:11 PM
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No, after we pulled the distributor, it had to turn 20* back after a 1/2 turn to line up with #1.
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