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Old Jun 22, 2005 | 12:00 PM
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87 Fuel pump options??

Hey new member, I've owned several 2nd gens and a 4th gen, but I finally got my hand on a 87 T/A 305 700R4. The car has had an earlier (80-86) 305 put in it, and in the middle of a carb swap a guy I know had to sell it, so I bought it. I noticed that it has a mechanical fuel pump already on it, so I guess my question is:
-Should I pull through the stock in-tank pump (not hooked up)?
- Should I pull out the in-tank pump?

I guess I'm not too familiar with this, I've only messed with mechanical (old) fuel systems and I just dont want to mess anything up.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Chad Boulden
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Old Jun 22, 2005 | 01:35 PM
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The preferred set-up would be to have the in-tank operating and pushing to the mechanical. If you don't want to hook up the in-tank, the best bet is to remove it.
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Old Jun 22, 2005 | 02:26 PM
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The preferred set-up would be to have the in-tank operating and pushing to the mechanical. If you don't want to hook up the in-tank, the best bet is to remove it.
how does this work? my volvo has two pumps. wouldn't the electric pump mess up my holley mechanical?
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 10:19 AM
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I'll have to see if the stock one is still pumping, if not, I've pulled 2nd gen gas tanks, any tricks/anything different pulling 3rd gens?
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 10:58 AM
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Pulling a 3rd gen tank involves removing a lot of suspension stuff underneath it. But, it is still a pretty basic operation.

The fuel pressure should be regulated when using an unregulated electric in the back. The factory just let the return-style mechanical do that. If you have a non-return mechanical like a Holley, you need to use a return-style regulator after the mechanical - the reason for that is you don't want to dead-head the in-tank, because that will burn it out.

A pusher electric won't do any harm to a mechanical pump as long as the output is regulated with a return style reg.
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 11:34 AM
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Thank you, that answered a lot of questions I had.
Guess I'll go pick up a return-style regulator and hopefully get this thing together for vacation next week.

Thanks again for all the help!

chad
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 01:49 PM
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what's the advantage of doing it like that? would I install the return regulator before or after the mechanical pump?
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 02:33 PM
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I suppose you could do it either way, but after the mechanical would give you adjustable pressure at the carb inlet.
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 02:54 PM
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ok, so what's the advantage?
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 03:39 PM
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You wouldn't be relying on whatever the mechanical puts out for the final pressure at the carb.
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Old Jun 23, 2005 | 05:02 PM
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then why bother with a mechanical pump at all then?
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 04:30 PM
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This is speaking out of ignorance, but wouldn't it make more sense to put the regulator before the mechanical, so the fuel isnt hitting the mech. pump at a higher PSI (from the in-tank) and in theory wearing it out sooner, or is that not a problem.

Thanks

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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 08:51 AM
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personally, since the car isn't running yet, just drop the tank and put a tube where the intank pump was and be done with it, or get a carb style intank sender like this,
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