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Old Jul 19, 2005 | 06:21 PM
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Stiff clutch, can't find answers

I got my ride about two months ago. (89 Camaro with a nice strong 355) The guy that built it put a small block into a V-6 chassis.

He installed in a Hays racing clutch assy. with a Lakewood bellhousing. He used the stock clutch master cylinder and pedal.

Now the problem; the clutch pedal is very stiff, and the clutch completely disengages at about 2/3 travel.

Do I need a different slave cylinder that is larger in diameter that will allow for a different master to slave cylinder ratio?

If a larger slave cylinder is needed, do you know where I can procure one for the Lakewood bellhousing?

Any other ideas of what is going on, or a fix?

Thanks in advance for your help,

Russell.

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Old Jul 20, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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ttt

Someone must know something! I really need to get this fixed. Everytime I push on the clutch it feels like im going to break the clutch master cylinder.
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 01:17 PM
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ttt

Is this problem so stupid that everyone should just allready know the answer , or does no one know whats going on?
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 01:31 PM
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Well you need someone that has
a: Used similar components to yours.
b: Had exactly your problem or one very similar.

Hopefully someone might have a guess at the ratio, but it might just be a guess, as obviously get it wrong, and there's going to be fluid everywhere.
Daft question, but this guy who built it obviously has quite a bit of knowledge, can he not shed some light on it?
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Old Jul 30, 2005 | 03:05 PM
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Try the transmission/driveline forum...they might be able to shed some light.
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 09:14 AM
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The slave cylinder for a v6 and a 350 are different. To quote a country singer "There's your trouble". Get the right slave cylinder and be prepared to make a clutch adjustment if it still isn't right.
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 05:46 PM
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Originally posted by R1UK
Well you need someone that has
a: Used similar components to yours.
b: Had exactly your problem or one very similar.

Hopefully someone might have a guess at the ratio, but it might just be a guess, as obviously get it wrong, and there's going to be fluid everywhere.
Daft question, but this guy who built it obviously has quite a bit of knowledge, can he not shed some light on it?
Unfortunatly the guy I bought this from is in Iraq right now fighting people.
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by 8Mike9
Try the transmission/driveline forum...they might be able to shed some light.
I posted this exact thread in the Transmission/driveling forum and they havent been very helpful yet...
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Old Jul 31, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by iroczracer07
The slave cylinder for a v6 and a 350 are different. To quote a country singer "There's your trouble". Get the right slave cylinder and be prepared to make a clutch adjustment if it still isn't right.
The slave broke the first time, I think because it was too stiff, so I had to buy a new one. I bought it from autozone or checker, one of the two, and all they asked was "what kind of car?" I told them it was for an 89 camaro and that was it. They only had one kind and it was plastic. So I got it. Unfortunatly the pedal is still stiff and I feel like it is going to break. The clutch is completely disengaged at about 2/3 travel. If there are two different slaves do you know where I can get the one I need?
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 02:38 PM
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Autozone should have the one you need. As a matter of fact, they should have asked you which one you needed. I double checked with the Autozone where I live and they looked it up and asked me which engine I had because there were two different slave cylinders. It sounds to me like you got either a lazy employee or a newbie who didn't know any better when you went. Like I said though, be prepared to make some adjustments when you get the right one.
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Old Aug 1, 2005 | 08:38 PM
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wow Im sorry. I meant the master cylinder broke, not the slave. I have a Hay's 11" clutch with a lakewood scatter-shield. I think the slave came with the bell housing. The slave has not broke.
I dont think that the slave is an issue (unless lakewood makes crappy slaves). Do you think that if I got a smaller master cylinder it would cure the problem? ............. this clutch problem is so anoying!
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Old Aug 2, 2005 | 04:52 PM
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Engine: 350 but it's torn down right now.
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You should have a slave cylinder up by the master cylinder on your vehicle. I haven't seen your car personally, but if what your telling me is true, then either the original slave cylinder has been disconnected or you're using 2 slave cylinders. The slave cylinder is seperate from your master cylinder, but they both use brake fluid. It's not uncommon for a racing clutch to give you a stiff pettle or to engage a little early. From what you posted earlier I'd say something is wrong. Before anymore trouble shooting can be done, we need to verify the slave cylinder set up is correct. More info regarding your trans, where it was purchased and what it came with that was installed on your car would be very helpful.
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Old Aug 6, 2005 | 06:00 PM
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I dont think I have two slaves. The order goes pedal, master cylinder, hose, then into the slave cylinder which pushes on the fork. Maby it is supposed to be this hard to push (it is a big racing clutch) i have just never pushed in a clutch that hard before. As far as info regarding my trans I have no idea. I know its a T-10 and I know it was made in the early 60's. I know of a website were i can get all the info on it by reading the casting number off the side of the trany, but I will do that tomorrow and let you know.
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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 08:44 AM
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I feel like an idiot, lol. I though we were dealing with a T-5. I'll look up the T-10 for some more info. Otherwise I won't be of much use to you when you post your next reply.
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