Ok i just notised today, ive been geting dizy cause ive been smelling alot of gas, i bought the car a few months ago and it was kinda smelly but not like it is now, and ive beem burning alot of gas like its eating it like a big block, im trying to do a tune up but its giveing me a hard time and its my daily driver, i put top of the line fuel injection cleaner in it and burn it threw today, its a little better on gas and a little less smelly but its still really really bad, my tailpipes dump out behind the axel so im gona buy some extenders tomarrow to get it out from under the car. my injectors on the TBI look pretty nasty, could i just take a touch brush to em? i dont know much about TBI's, to adjust the mixture do i have to reprogram a computer or something? what could it be guys, VERY IMPORTANT!!!

 

Um look for leaks in the lines and fittings. Also check the charcoal canister.

 

please, anyone that answers me specific like ur telling a idiot, i dont know ALOT about emmisons or TBI's, im a carb man. so where is the charcoal cansiter?

 

Its the black canister thing with vent, and vacuum lines going to it in the front drivers side of the engine compartment. Its in front of the steering box and behind the headlight.

Seriously though have you looked for fuel leaks anywhere?

 

what kinda fuel leaks? like from the tank to the pump to the throttle body? ill look but id notise something like that

 

All the lines and fittings all the way from the gas tank, to the fuel pump to the tbi and back. Get the car up on jackstands to take a look. You might even see it dripping from somewhere.

 

i dont think its that but ill check tomarrow, id notise that and why would that make my exaust be burning ALOT of gas? also i heard something abot a o2 sensor, this car is pretty dirty so any kida sensor that could cause this or something let me know

 

So are you getting a gas smell or a burning rich smell? I thought you were getting a strong gas smell with bad mpg.

 

im getng the make you gag smeel, i go to idle at a light i smeel it and breath it, i get it when im takeing off badddd. its not really rich rich just smelly, i dont know how to describe it

 

Could very well be the O2 sensor then. When is the last time you checked the engine codes? Could also be messed up, clogged injectors... There alot of things that can go wrong/bad with fuel injection and computer controlled motors. Thats why i don't want one of the older OBD I motors.

 

Does it smell like rotten eggs also? Sulfur?

 

nop, more of a makeing a sore throte, like when ur at a gas station and filling up.

 

i used the fuel injector cleaner today, i dont know, everyone and anyone reply please, like i said its my daily driver and i have to drive it even if it makes me dizy lol so i gotta fix this asap.

 

charcoal canister:

 

hmmm, i dont know, what does the o2 do? i bought the car without a thermostat but it has one now and the heater\AC work so.... i have no idea on this except sparkplugs but i cant seem to change them, im gona check the canister soon

 

well i do have the canister, i got 2 rubber hoses going to it and a electrical line, one hose goes into the TBI and the one one connect to a metal line which i have no idea where it goes, i cant open of the canister looks like its glued shut is that werid? i check most of the other vaccume lines and it dont look like any of them are leeking or missing, took off the air cleaner and the TBI looks very clean expeshily the barals, when i start the car tho the tbi is shooting alot of gas into it, i mean ALOT like constant i dont know how they work so im not too sure.

 

come on guy, i thought id have this problem fixed today, anyone outt here???? i know there is!

 

The O2 sensor is in your exhaust pipe and measures how rich/lean the engine is running base don the exhaust gas and tells the computer to adjust accordingly. Not something you can really look at to to determine if its bad, but changing it cant hurt.

Is your car making a new funny noise, is it possible you have a leak in the exhaust thats casueing the exhasut gas/gasoline smell? A quick test would be to get a towel and plug up the exhaust tailpipe when the cars running, if it stalls there is no leak. But if you are leaking you will hear it with the tailpipe plugged. It will be a little hot so be careful

 

You can pull the O2 sensor out, heat it up with a propane torch and measure the currents produced to tell if its good or not. You can find instructions online about exactly how to do it, if you don't want to buy an new one right away.

Filling up with gasoline never hurts my throat, so i don't know what thats about. I'd say your running really rich, do your eyes burn?

I don't know why you would get the smell if your driving, unless you have an exhaust or fuel leak right into the passenger compartment of your car.

 

its more when i go to take off and really get one it, when i have the windows closes i dont smeel it as bad, i cant really tell if it bothers my eyes but probley, where is the o2 sensor and how much is it and how hard is it to change. some guy told me it might be something to do with EGR, i checked most of the hoses and there not missing, my charcoal container is glued shut is that bad?

 

No the charcoal canister is supposed to be like that, it is a no serviceable part, and has to be replaced.

First of all if your gonna work on your car you need to get a Chiltons manual.

 

The O2 sensor is on the ehaust close to the engine.

 

if my charcoal canister was bad or my o2 sensor went bad or other stuff like that, wouldent my check engine light come on? i dont understand this, what do you guys think it is?

 

Here is a list of things to check:

1. Unbolt the canistor and check the filter underneath it. If it's dirty, replace it and take it for a spin.
2. Do you have fuel on your intake manifold?
3. Are the vacuum lines in the vicinity of your T.B.I. unit in good condition?
4. Does the car act like it wants to stall when you're stopped at a light? If it doesn't then your O2 sensor is probably fine.
5. Does the car surge when you're crusing around town? If it doesn't, then your E.G.R. valve is probably okay.
6. Are any of the gaskets around your T.B.I. unit wet? If they are, you might need to either rebuild the unit or replace it.
7. Have you checked your fuel feed and vent lines for leaks?
8. Have you overfilled the tank recently?
9. Is your igntion timing set correctly?
10. Is the air filter clogged or dirty?
11. Is it an aftermarket T.B.I. unit that was put on by a previous owner that might be the wrong size for your motor?

In order to check these things out you need a car manual. There are lots of knowledgable people on this site, but we can only do so much to help you. If we were right next to you we could do more, but we're not. We need you to tackle these tests and give us some input so that we can narrow the possibilities down. I understand that you don't know much about cars, but if you really want to fix this yourself, then it's time that you took your first step towards becoming a gearhead and buy a manual for your car. Let us know where you're at after you've completed some hands on testing.

 

engine compleatly stock, in good condition tho, it was rebuilt a few years ago from what ive heard, the headgasket seems to have a small leak on the passenger side but it only causes air in the radiator no white smoke or anything, my air filter is nasty but i have a new one just havent put it in, my idle is pretty high when i start the car it takes a good 3-5 secound crank to have it fireup and the idle is like 1100 when it start but it goes down to like 900 and like 700-750 in gear. my vaccum lines look good, my power surges sometimes when i have the lights on if that what you mean. im thinking maybe fuel filter or oil filter, i have no visible leaks, no fuel on my intake, i start the car and let it idle and look in the TBI it looks like the injectors are constantly pushing fuel in it like a small spry in each side (i dont know if this is correct) i used the best injector cleaner on the market. what exactly does EGR do. and for all the people to keep telling me to buy a manual WHY WOULD I IF I GOT THESE FOURMS, and i dont exactly have alot of moeny right now.

 

What I meant earlier was, when you pull up to a stop light and come to a complete stop, does the car seem like it wants to stall out on you? The E.G.R. system will have to wait. I don't want either of us to get side-tracked right now.

 

not really, but sometimes when i go to take off it stutters, i mean this car halls *** from a stop (even with a bad trans mount) but when im in like 3rd gear and just floor it, it sometimes hesitates a little bit.

 

and also when i start it up sometimes when its cold it will start then like chug for a min then sometimes stall or sometimes just run. i think that just might be the plugs in the engine. could this thing be a timming problem? ive never messed with timming in my life by myself :-\

 

Check the oil on the dipstick and see if it's a milky whitish color. If it is, then the head gasket has let go the rest of the way. This is causing inconsistent compression so that cylinder is responsible for your stumble. If the oil isn't milky white, then it's possible that your E.G.R. valve is stuck in the open position and allowing too much flow. This would likely cause rough running, stalling, and at crusing speeds this would create a surge effect. You'll have to put your fingers into the holes that give you access to the E.G.R. valve plunger and push up on it. Sometimes this will fix a stuck valve. If the valve is okay, then you might want to check the distributor hold down bolt for tightness. If it's tight, then you should probably start checking your electrical connections at the distributor and E.C.M. They sometimes get dirty and can cause this sort of problem. One guy I knew actually had a wiring issue near the Ignition Module that would actually make the car run like **** whenever it warmed up, up to the point that it would stall out while he was driving. Keep us posted.

 

if i cant come up with a fix soon im going to be ditching the car and geting rid of it for w/e i can get. its really starting to give me sorr throts from driveing and headaches and thats just not good. is the EGR Valve the big block box on the back of the intake by the Heatercore kinda? im not a idiot about engines and stuff i just have never messed with emmissions and computer stuff before. ill check my oil in the morning while its cold, what will milky oil really look like? does it look like brown paint mixed with water sorta? my check engine light came on along time ago for like 5mins then went off, think i should have Autozone check it out with there computer quick? im sooooooo tired of this.

 

You've got the right idea about the E.G.R., and the oil would look like oil mixed with water if you were running water in the radiator. Other than that, milky is the best way to describe the whitish looking oil film. It might even appear kinda like syrup.

 

well i oil is kinda milky, im gona try and get a picture cuase im very bad at decideing, i dont have any idea how to open the egr value or stuff let me know more details of how to do it, IS MY TBIS INJECTORS SUPOST TO BE CONSTANTLY SPRAYING GAS INTO THE TBI UNIT? If anyone is around IM me on AOL Please @ bigd25x

 

the CAT is nasty, so im cutting it off today and puting a section of pipe in its place, so we can take that outa the problem, i also installed the new air filter, im trying to do struts right now, now i know why i like good old fasioned shocks these this are as much as of a bitch as autoparts come. so let me know if theres anything i should check while i have the car all torn apart

 

What's your idle rpm right now ?

 

start up when its cold its like 1000 in park, drops to 750 in drive when its warm and about 800 in drive when its cold. this about, MY OIL ISENT MILKY AT ALL My Nabor judged it, its pretty nice color black

 

change it

shouldn't be black I think ..... black is nice except when it comes to oil ... unless ya James Dean of course when he discovered that deep well hehehe

 

Check the fuel return line ... maybe it's all twisted around itself

 

How many miles are on the motor. It might be time to rebuild the T.B.I. unit. And you definately need to tune the car up. New plugs, wires, cap and rotor. This might be all you need to do.

 

wires look brand new there Accel brand, the cap is a boash palt cap it looks brand new too, the plugs i cant get out, hands are just too big to get down there with a rachet and there nice and snug in there, i cant even get the first one out, my friend cleaned the injectors and the tbi unit for me yesterday now its running ALOT faster and better but the gas smell is still there, i got a plug hanging behind my tbi unit it goes to something ill take a picture of it if needed i dont know what it is. and where is the fuel return line located?

 

PS no black smoke, clean clear, no liquids or anything comeing out the tail pipe

 

The plug you're referring to. Is it a black plastic line that plugs directly into the T.B.I. unit? If it is, that's your Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor. It monitors the Intake manifold pressure changes that result from load and speed and then converts them to a voltage output that the engine uses to control timing and fuel delivery. If that's disconnected that could be your whole problem. Trace that line and it should lead you to the passenger side. There's a bracket mounted to the firewall that has a black box attached to it that is around 5 inches long and has three wires coming out of it. Make sure that plastic line is plugged in there and the back of your T.B.I. unit and then take the car for a spin and see if the fuel odor is still there. If it is, post again and we'll go from there. I realize this is time consuming, but everything has to be as close to perfect as possible if we're ever gonna find the problem. I think this is a move in the right direction and very possibly might fix your whole problem. Let me know, okay.