Well here is the deal it smokes bad! At idle and at part throttle. It is all new. I have not ran a compression test yet however it has loads of power. I milled the heads about .035 do you believe thats enough to let oil seep in the bottom intake runners? Does the intake need milled? Do you believe its a seating problem with the rings? It has all new valve guides and seals.


Thanks for any help!
Brian Felts

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1989 Camaro RS

305 .030 over Hydro Pistons
Vortech heads milled to 58cc...Performer RPM intake....LT4 cam..Crane Gold rockers...FastChip custom chip...ALum. Driveshaft...3.73 gears with Posi...underdrive pullys...Rebuilt 700R4 with Vette Servo and B&M shift Kit...MSD ignition...A/C Delete No SMOG junk....1997 SS leather interior...B&M Shifter... Ultimate TBI mods...14X3 K&N open Element Non-Drop...Hooker headers....3" exhaust with Flowmaster Cross flow 16X8 Wheels from 97 RS Spohn LCA's Spohn Panhard Bar..LETS PLAY FORD!!

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how many miles are on it, ti usually dose on new engines, while eveything seats

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90 RS 305 tbi, 4 3/4" cowl Hood, Edelbrock TES headers, Flowmaster exhaust, Crane roller cam, comp roller rockers, vortec heads/intake, ported tbi, w/new injectors, MSD probillet Distributer/ coil, 1 inch tbi spacer, air foil, 14x4 k&n flat base air cleaner, Rebuilt 700r4 w/ B&M shift kit, B&M Megashifter, 3.23 posi, 2 12 RF's with mtx amp, top of line alpine cd player, soon to have 90-91 gfx, z-28 wing, new paintjob, rims, and all new lowered suspension.

 

What intake gasket are you running Brian? The Fel-pro or the GM.
I've had both and I think that the GM is the better of the two.

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91 RS 5.0 TBI....LT4 cam....Edelbrock headers....3"Dynomax exhaust....5spd.... 3.08.....Ultimate tbi....afpr...ZR 255-50's...Koni's

 

I have the fel-pro with the rubber bead around the ports. The motor has about 800 miles on it. The motor has cast rings and hydro pistons as you can see in my sig.


Thanks all I need help.
Brian

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1989 Camaro RS

305 .030 over Hydro Pistons
Vortech heads milled to 58cc...Performer RPM intake....LT4 cam..Crane Gold rockers...FastChip custom chip...ALum. Driveshaft...3.73 gears with Posi...underdrive pullys...Rebuilt 700R4 with Vette Servo and B&M shift Kit...MSD ignition...A/C Delete No SMOG junk....1997 SS leather interior...B&M Shifter... Ultimate TBI mods...14X3 K&N open Element Non-Drop...Hooker headers....3" exhaust with Flowmaster Cross flow 16X8 Wheels from 97 RS Spohn LCA's Spohn Panhard Bar..LETS PLAY FORD!!

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[This message has been edited by Brian Felts (edited November 15, 2001).]

 

did you build the motor? its possible that your intake gaskets are leaking oil into the heads, i just rebuilt my motor, .20 over with new rings and all, and it smoked for the first 5-10 minutes i ran it, doesnt smoke now and i've only put 200 miles on it

also i'm using the fel pro gaskets on my edelbrock performer manifold, with no problems.

[This message has been edited by 86Z (edited November 15, 2001).]

 

One of my friends had a similar problem "new engine and unexplained oil loss, no leaks and no noticeable smoke". Come to find out he was running a set of M/T valve covers without any baffles at the pcv valve and the oil was being pumped into the intake and being burnt. A change of valve covers and the problem was solved. Maybe this might help.

Bruce

 

One of my friends had a similar problem "new engine and unexplained oil loss, no leaks and no noticeable smoke". Come to find out he was running a set of M/T valve covers without any baffles at the pcv valve and the oil was being pumped into the intake and being burnt. A change of valve covers and the problem was solved. An old motor head told him the solution, so I guess it's not that uncommon of a problem. Maybe this might help.

Bruce

 

a lot of freshly rebuilt engines will smoke at first. you aren't running synthetic oil are you? it isn't good for break ins. also you installed the rings top side up right? i've seen people do this that didn't know the differance. as a rule i start to worry about the intake if i take .025 or more off the heads, but that's not to say you couldn't take more with out problems.

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ICON Motorsports
1st & 3rd
MM Black Diamond 538 F&AM

 

Hey Brian I am going through the exact same
problem; new motor and still burning oil after 350 miles. I tried removing the intake
and resealing and it didn't help. Mine doesnt
smoke when first started for at least a minute so I don't think its the valve seals.
When its warmed up it smokes moderatly when
idling and looks like a fog machine when
revved..... I am about to pull the motor
and rebuild a brand new motor !!!!!!

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Tom K.
84 Z-28 M5 305 L69 HO
pulleys,coil,3:73(stock)
Jet chip, fan switch,
Al dshaft,1.6 rockers,
LCAs and brackets,BFG DRs
14.20 @ 96.74 2.02 60ft
New 350 motor in debug,
no ET yet

 

Well the machine shop did the short block and I did break it in with 5W30 stanart Penzoil. I know the shop knows what side of the rings go up (I hope) but let me add there is NOTICABLE SMOKE!!! I can't figure it out.

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1989 Camaro RS

305 .030 over Hydro Pistons
Vortech heads milled to 58cc...Performer RPM intake....LT4 cam..Crane Gold rockers...FastChip custom chip...ALum. Driveshaft...3.73 gears with Posi...underdrive pullys...Rebuilt 700R4 with Vette Servo and B&M shift Kit...MSD ignition...A/C Delete No SMOG junk....1997 SS leather interior...B&M Shifter... Ultimate TBI mods...14X3 K&N open Element Non-Drop...Hooker headers....3" exhaust with Flowmaster Cross flow 16X8 Wheels from 97 RS Spohn LCA's Spohn Panhard Bar..LETS PLAY FORD!!

www.geocities.com/feltsb

 

btt

 

ttt, I was there to see it smoke. It wasn't pretty. I'm afraid to think it's a ring problem only because it's gotten worse. If the car was run and driven while being super lean or super rich, doesn't that have an effect on the rings?
Could just end up being the valve guides and seals.

 

Yeah he was there, and it was bad. The valve seals are new and the guides were checked and found to be good.


Brian

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1989 Camaro RS

305 .030 over Hydro Pistons
Vortech heads milled to 58cc...Performer RPM intake....LT4 cam..Crane Gold rockers...FastChip custom chip...ALum. Driveshaft...3.73 gears with Posi...underdrive pullys...Rebuilt 700R4 with Vette Servo and B&M shift Kit...MSD ignition...A/C Delete No SMOG junk....1997 SS leather interior...B&M Shifter... Ultimate TBI mods...14X3 K&N open Element Non-Drop...Hooker headers....3" exhaust with Flowmaster Cross flow 16X8 Wheels from 97 RS Spohn LCA's Spohn Panhard Bar..LETS PLAY FORD!!

www.geocities.com/feltsb

 

What color is the smoke?
Blue = oil

white = coolant or trans fluid

Make sure you're not sucking oil up throu the PCV valve.
What lift cam did you use? Any thing over
.460" could be crushing the valve seal between the retainer and guide, if those vortecs are unmodified.

 

Well they may be, its all oil no question there. I have it in the shop now getting the Eaton posi and new gears in it and when it comes back I am going to run a compression test and see. The valve guides are unmodified and I am running the LT-4 cam so it could be.

Thanks To all
Brian

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1989 Camaro RS

305 .030 over Hydro Pistons
Vortech heads milled to 58cc...Performer RPM intake....LT4 cam..Crane Gold rockers...FastChip custom chip...ALum. Driveshaft...3.73 gears with Posi...underdrive pullys...Rebuilt 700R4 with Vette Servo and B&M shift Kit...MSD ignition...A/C Delete No SMOG junk....1997 SS leather interior...B&M Shifter... Ultimate TBI mods...14X3 K&N open Element Non-Drop...Hooker headers....3" exhaust with Flowmaster Cross flow 16X8 Wheels from 97 RS Spohn LCA's Spohn Panhard Bar..LETS PLAY FORD!!

www.geocities.com/feltsb