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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 04:01 PM
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Car: 89 GTA
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Car starts but dies with out throttle

I have an 89 GTA and it starts but doesn’t idle. I can keep it running if I press on the throttle. Back when it was becoming a problem I would be driving and it would die on me but would start back up because the clutch is out. The car is a 350 TPI 89 GTA thank you for the help!
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 04:14 PM
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Car: 84 Z28
Engine: 357
Transmission: TH-350C
Axle/Gears: 3.43
Can you get it to idle while your holding the throttle open a bit? or will it only stay running at a high RPM?

Misfiring, pinging, blowing fire?


Go through the usual, check FP, cap rotor plugs and wires ect.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 04:34 PM
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Car: 89 GTA
Engine: L98 350
Transmission: Swapped to a T-5
Axle/Gears: 3.27
There’s no sounds when it runs, it sounds normal. There’s no misfiring. I can hold the throttle open to idle speed and when I do that it sounds great and runs great. But when I let go of the throttle it dies right after. And I checked the distributor wires and the coil wires they all look fine with no cracks. And the plug wires are good to.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 06:29 PM
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Car: 89 FORMULA FIREBIRD, 86 CHEVY CAMARO
Engine: L98, LB9 RESPECTIVLY
Transmission: 700 R4 (BOTH)
Unplug the maf sensor and see if it runs without stalling, if it runs ok replace the power and burn relay.
Also check for vacuum leaks.
Is the cat original? there is an outside chance thats it's rusted out and clogged up.
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Old Dec 13, 2005 | 08:34 PM
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Car: 1991 Camaro RS
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Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.42 LS1
Check for codes, you may or may not .. get a Code 42.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 02:42 PM
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Car: 89 GTA
Engine: L98 350
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I got a code 42. Along with others but that’s because I forgot to put the MAF back on. The cat is only 3 months old. And when I took off the MAF it still didn’t run. So what can i do about the code 42?

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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 04:37 PM
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Heh .. when ya find out, please let me know. I got Code 42 yesterday, had to go back and get my factory manual, looking in it right now and hmmmmmm well hrmmmm
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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Car: 89 GTA
Engine: L98 350
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haha so you got the same problem? Well in my book it says

"Code 42
Circuit or system: electronic spark timing
Probable cause: poor electrical connection, open or short in circuit; defective ignition module; defective ECM."

I hope that helps you some, because it’s either the ignition module or the ECM. Or electrical but I doubt that
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 06:17 PM
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Transmission: TH-350C
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42. Fault at electronic spark timing circuit OR
Fault at direct ignition system OR
Fault at fuel cutoff relay circuit
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 06:51 PM
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Car: 89 FORMULA FIREBIRD, 86 CHEVY CAMARO
Engine: L98, LB9 RESPECTIVLY
Transmission: 700 R4 (BOTH)
Check to make sure the timing bypass connector is not loose or coroded, that would set a code 42
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 07:59 PM
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Car: 1991 Camaro RS
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Would that be the EST connector ?


My problem started like this:


1) Splicing into green/white wire on fuel pump relay .. by misstake ... result was.. no fuel .. and Code 54

2) Switched out for a used junkyard connector, result was still code 54 but I bypass it, but now I also have a bad idle/running characteristics and a Code 42


So I must have hmmm fried something ??
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 09:13 PM
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Car: 89 FORMULA FIREBIRD, 86 CHEVY CAMARO
Engine: L98, LB9 RESPECTIVLY
Transmission: 700 R4 (BOTH)
The green/white wire on the f/p relay goes directly to the ecm. it supplies 12 volts to the coil in the relay. If you connected something that draws alot of amps, like a cooling fan, you may have fried the fuel pump driver circuit in the ecm. I'm not sure how to test it, other than swapping in another ecm.
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Old Dec 14, 2005 | 10:14 PM
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Car: 1991 Camaro RS
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Well I may have fried that one ... but.. I never got a Code 42, until I was swapping out connectors to the relays afterwards .. and then the inline fuse blew ... replaced it.. noticed Code 42
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Old Dec 15, 2005 | 03:33 PM
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Car: 89 GTA
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the timing bypass connector looks good.
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