Ok guys, I have been reading my summit and jegs catalogs. As I always do.

I searched on here with no luck.

I want some new Wires under $100, which perform great.

With the upgraded ignition I have, my Accell Super Stock's are not going to work as they are rated at over 400ohms PER FOOT! Which is ridiculous.

Don’t even ask what stock wires from AutoZone are rated at, you'll crap your pants.

Been reading about MSD Super Conductor wires rated at 40-50ohms per foot and they are just 8.5mm. 900-1125% better then stock.

Read about Moroso Ultra 40's and they are rated at 40ohms per foot, and are only 8.65mm. 1125% better then stock.

Contrary to popular belief Accell 300+ Wires are crap too. They have a huge 8.8mm jacket yet only rate at 150ohms per foot. I mean that’s some crap to spend so much money on wires that aren’t but 300% better then stock.

This may seem to be sounding as if it were to be a sticky but I am wondering what other sets out there with a published ohms rating less then 60 and less then $100. These are the wire sets people need to focus on as there is no better way to improve an ignition set. I am forgetting the math but every added ohms means less energy gets to the end of the wire to the spark plug. Meaning an upgraded ignition (i.e. better coil, Cap and rotor, and module) is doing almost nothing they do their job, and the wires are still loosing a great percent of their energy.

I'm a very price conscious man, so I want to do a price comparison of all these wire sets to be posted in the future; I hope to spike a large discussion.

 

Stock wires are generally considered good with less than 1500 ohms/ft.
The one wire set you listed I've used,on several different vehicles,are the MSD 8.5's.They are an excellent wire set that you can get in custom sets or cut-to-fit.Price is very reasonable for the quality.
The only Moroso wire sets I've use are the Blue Max and it's been many years.They were good quality though.From what I've read about the Ultra 40's all sounds good but the lowest price I've seen on a set is $130.
Taylor also makes a good wire but i belive they are in the 100-200 ohm/ft range.
Accel Super Stocks have been around for ages and is a good basic performance upgrade from stock for not much of a price difference.The 300+'s big selling point is thier jacketing.
Another thing to take in consideration is the rest of the ignition system.What quality is it?

 

I like Moroso and Taylor. I have Morose blue max now on my 383 with the heat sleeve kit. I always use cut to fit sets. Nothing worse than a nice engine bay cluttered up by sloppy wires.

 

My entire ignition is currently consisting of-
Mallory Hyfire VIa
New Accell Billetec Hei Distributor w/Vac advance
E-Core Coil
Plugs are AC R42TS

I am almost positive i will go with the MSD super conductor wires, i can aquire them for $65. So i guess this will be my future ignition.

I hope the machine shop finishes balancing the motor this week. Wont be much better then this motor pretty soon.

 

100% agreed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anyone know the ohms rating of the moroso blue max wires? MY car doesn't see much drivng so jacket oil resisitance isn't much of a priority. Plus i will be adding kevlar sleeves near the plugs.

 

Get the sleeve kit with the wires. The kevlar boots are kinda bulky and don't protect as well. Plus the sleeve kit insulates from heat, RFI and they prevent cross-talk.

 

hmmmm.... seems i wasted $30 on kevlar sleeves....

 

Not wasted if you use them. I am **** about plug wires. How they're cut, routed, all that stuff. I'm just not a fan of the boots. I use this.

http://store.summitracing.com/defaul...=egnsearch.asp

 

I run the wire sleeves on my Ultra 40's. Nothing over my boots, yet, though.

 

That's another reason I use the cut to fit kits. Run them under the headers tight to the spark plugs. That eliminates the need for a boot sleeve because the boot is far enough away from the headers. And no more wires flopping around onto the primaries.

 

Well today i got my wireset, I got MSD Super Conductor wires. Very awesome wires if i might add. The only one in stock was a universal kit with 3 types of rubber boots, and 2 types of connectors(male and female), and i still got them for $67 with tax!!!

And awesome deal i couldn't miss, so i did buy them. ALso ordered a set of the sl;eeves you posted, i will use the kevlar as well however.

 

do you have the part number for these ?

 

I was looking at the "stock" Delco wires for my car. (I'm still running the cast manifolds). Some of the boots are straight, some are 90*. WTF? Why two different types of plug boots? Since the only way to get a set of wires with the mixed boot types is to stick with stock wires, and since I'd really like to upgrade, what do you guys suggest? Since most aftermarket wire sets come with only one boot type, which should I go with? I'd like to go with an 8mm set, with resistance below 400 ohms per foot, and that will hang in there for a few years.

Recommendations? TIA.

 

If half are 90 and half are strait, get the 90 degree ones. I would think that anywhere a strait one would fit, a 90 would also. At least with headers

 

sure do,
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my set was cheap because i got 20% off, so....

 

really doubt your going to see that much of a difference based upon ohms. and there are quite a few better ways to improve an ignition. wires seem to be at the lowest of the list.

are you going to go out and mesure the resistance in the spark plugs as well?

 

have you measured the resistance of a spark plug? it is nearly zero! becuase nthey are dipped in ceramic, and the end is where the energy needs to be let go.

your coil has "resistance" only becuase it gets saturated.

wires are the weakest link.

 

I have mesured the resistance of spark plugs. I have seen them in the 10k up to 90k ohm range. generally it isn't just a straight piece of metal. they quit doing that quite some time ago unless you are running a carb in pure race setup with almost no electrical stuff to get messed up by the EMI pulses. the cermaic doesn't do much other then act as an insulator and keep the energy from grounding out against the plug.

the coil has resistance and it isn't due to saturation. with how many turns of wire there are on the secondary will create a DC resistance just due to the "massive" amount of wire used. on the primary side there isn't that much wire involved so the resistance their is very minimal most the time depending on how good the coil is.

even with the wires yes you come up with some amount of ohms but in relation to everything else involved your wires on the ignition system are goign to be the one of the lowest gains you can get. even more so with a stock/mostly stock/or even decently modded unless your tuning is off or something isn't working right. at which point the stronger ignition might help a little. but you would havem uch better results from going to a ignition box then buying new wires.


again you have more to worry about then choosing wires based upon how many ohms they are. they contribute VERY little to overall performance of a car. your money would be better spent somewhere else.

 

3 are straight, the rest are 90. So, I guess the best thing then would be to get wires with all 90s.

Does anyone make a custom fit set, or do we have to cut and put on diz terminals ourselves?

 

Every little bit counts. They all add up

The major benefit of aftermarket wires in addition to the decreased resistance is their ability to resist spark scatter and heat.

Cut to fit sets are the only way to go. They're very easy to assemble.

 

now that I can understand. but buying wires based upon their resistance isn't quite the greatest way to go. I would rather have a good long lasting wire that has 400ohms/foot then a semi decent one that has 50ohms/ft. either way resistance still isn't going to be that big of a difference and it's money better spent elsewhere if you want perforamnce

 

well my method of thinking says otherwise.

the purpose of this article was wires in technical detaill. Money at this point isn;'t much of an obsticle. I got an awesome set of wires for cheap! I also have a mallory 6AL, and i ordered a HVC2 coil as well. It doesn't get much better then that for an hei ignition.


performance is everything....

 

You method of thinking is wrong. Ask yourself what the difference is in the path of the lowly 1v from your multimeter as opposed to that of the 45,000+ volts or whatever you are running through the wires from the coil.

If you learn enough, you may find that those 'super conductor' wires are about as good as any of the other ones you mentioned already. Hell, I think someone actually posted up an articel about it a looong time ago. Maybe Vader? Not sure if it was in gen-tech or the ntb. Well, your money, feel free to waste it any way you want.

Additionally, IIRC Circle track did a test of all the wires and found NO POWER difference between any of the low resistance wires and the traditional performance ones... I wonder why that is?

It's like falling for the Nology hotwires. Gotta dig deeper.

BTW, why don't you just run solid core wire if performance is everything?

 

cant use solid core with CDI, too much radio noise or something. Solid core is for magneto!

 

I'd take a set of Taylors over MSD 'superconductors' any day of the week. After the boots on the MSD go away, the internal resistance matters much less than the shorting to ground. Those universal angle connectors arent very good either, one time deals there.

 

Say what? Are you nuts? I've run them on almost all my bikes and any of the older cars I work on, typically, or anything without brain box from the factory still in it.

And you mean EMI/RFI? Pfff... I can wrap solid core wires around a CDI box and have zero problems with them. Granted it's around one of those boxes you allege are 'outdated'...

 

another thing to think about. if your wires are only putting out lets say 5kohms of resistance but your spark plug has a resistance of lets say 50k ohms just changing your wires is going to do VERY little. on top of that the resistance that is present just because the voltage has to cross a huge air gap. air is a very good resistor so again your overall resistance is very high compred to what part of it your plugs are making up.

even on my rx7 I changed from some stock 15kohm wires (total resistance not resistance per foot) and put some magnecore wires on my car which had quite a bit less thinking along the lines of 4k ohms or so. know what gain I had? none. only the joy of having wires that where a little more flexible and should last longer then my stocker wires

wires shoudl be bought more for how longthey last rather then how much resistance they had.

 

sorry but the manual says not to use solid care wires for that exact reason. Someone needs to check their stuff as well.

 

Yea, on the digital boxes that you profess to be so far more advanced than the MSD ones that you put down, it's a problem. That was my point then and now. I have wrapped a solid core around an MSD box and had zero problems. If you want to follow your 'thought process' you need to run solid cores.

 

And yes, I know, MSD says not to. Doesn't mean it doesn't work and it depends on mounting as well.

 

its all key bro.

EMI/RFI is dangerous to all types of electronics. May not have obvious short term damage, but long term is certain.