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Old Mar 17, 2007 | 11:10 PM
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cam swap no fire need help

we swapped a comp xtreem cam in a few weeks ago and just got the engine back in and everything bolted up today. we tried to start it but no luck. it makes a big chugging noise from the exhaust and after a while it shot flames out. i was playing with the timing but it did not work. too far advanced you get a fireball out the exhaust too far retarded and you get one out of the carb... could it just be valve lash? i didnt set it because it had already gotten dark out i just backed the nuts out so it was loose that way the valves wouldnt hang open. i really dont think that would keep it from starting though.
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Old Mar 17, 2007 | 11:15 PM
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Try lashing the valves to start.
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Old Mar 18, 2007 | 09:52 AM
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I was gonna do that today just wanted to see if thier was anything else i could doo. i had the valve lash so tight on my other motor that the valves wher haning open and it still started just didnt run well.
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Old Mar 18, 2007 | 10:27 AM
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u need to get a book or something to read how to set ur valve rgt. i do it by going to tdc on each cylinder and set no lash and a half around more
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Old Mar 18, 2007 | 12:55 PM
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Also double check that you don't have your distributor 180
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Old Mar 18, 2007 | 01:10 PM
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Yea, thats what it sounds like to me. I'd just turn it 180 and try again. Bet it fires.
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Old Mar 18, 2007 | 10:21 PM
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thats what i found out it was. i was trying to do valve lash and one of the valves that i was trying to tighten was open so figured it was 180. i flipped a few wires around and boom she cranks and sounds like a beast... thanx for the help so far i have swapped an engine from a 305tbi to a 355 carb then took it out and did heads cam and exhaust all with info i found on this site.
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Old Mar 18, 2007 | 11:35 PM
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nice to see the problem is fixed.. once, i put in my distributor one tooth advanced.. would barely turn over.. it would turn, then stop and spin the other way.. i thought i bent some valves or something.. turns out the timing was at 75* advanced and it was firing on the compression stroke..
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Old Mar 19, 2007 | 01:02 AM
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nice to see the problem is fixed.. once, i put in my distributor one tooth advanced.. would barely turn over.. it would turn, then stop and spin the other way.. i thought i bent some valves or something.. turns out the timing was at 75* advanced and it was firing on the compression stroke..
Somethings wrong if it DOESNT fire on the compression stroke

I know what you meant though... Too much advance will cause it to kick back
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Old Mar 19, 2007 | 10:19 AM
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Common problem when doing a cam swap. Instructions say to line the dots up on the timing gears when installing the chain. Instructions don't say that this puts #1 cylinder at TDC on the exhaust stroke. When #1 is at TDC on the compression stroke, the dot on the cam gear needs to be at the top.
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 01:14 PM
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Re: cam swap no fire need help

so its not my dizzy that was 180deg out it was my cam? i put the cam in the same way it came out the dot was on the bottom. is that gonna cause any problems?
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 01:22 PM
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Re: cam swap no fire need help

No, it was the distributor.

When the cam and crank gear are dot to dot, both #1 and #6 are TDC, but the cam is in #6 firing position. The distributor has to be installed with the rotor pointing to the #6 terminal.
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Old Mar 20, 2007 | 01:36 PM
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Re: cam swap no fire need help

that scared me for a sec...
thanx for the info guys
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