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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 12:40 PM
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starts but wont stay running!

I just bought a 91 camaro with a 3.1. It sat for three years before i got it. I just did a tune up on(plugs, wires, cap, rotor, fuel filter) i also put fresh gas in it. It fires right up but only stays running for about 30 seconds and dies, i can then immediately fire it back up and it will do the same thing. It's not throwing codes so i am lost.
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 04:29 PM
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First suspicion if fuel pressure problem. I'm not sure if the V6 EFI has a Shrader valve in it, but if it does, get yourself a fuel injection pressure gauge and monitor pressure at starting and through the time it dies.

Best guess is the fuel pump has been degraded by rotten gas. But, could also be a plugged fuel filter, so change that again. If that doesn't change anything, you're looking at dropping the tank and replacing the fuel pump and pick-up sock.
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 10:00 PM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

Thats actually what i just got done doing! The filter i took off was not plugged, and with the motor running it had a little more than 40lbs of pressure and holds steady even when it dies.
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Old Jul 15, 2009 | 11:48 PM
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Good information.

Do you turn the ignition off before you try to start it again, or just crank it over and it starts again?
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Old Jul 16, 2009 | 10:28 AM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

i just crank it again and it fires right up.
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Old Jul 17, 2009 | 12:44 PM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

Well i had a friend of mine watch a plug while i cranked it and he said ithe spark looked weak. I replaced the control module should i go after the coil next?
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Old Jul 18, 2009 | 12:53 PM
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so apparently it is running stupid rich. what would cause this? coolant sensor? map?
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Old Jul 18, 2009 | 12:55 PM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

by the way thats a brand new plug
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Old Jul 18, 2009 | 02:51 PM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

well i put a new map sensor on it and it idled! but when i give it any throttle it started to sputter and almost die. i let it idle and warm up then shut it off, now it wont start again wtf? is there anything that controls the a/f ratio besides the map, coolant sensor and o2 sensor?
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Old Jul 19, 2009 | 08:15 AM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

Just an idea to throw out there. I had a similar problem getting my iroc going after it sat for 3 years. I had the same problem. But my rubber fuel line from the pump to the sending unit in the tank had rotted away(from the bad gas). Easiest way I think I found out... was try to start it and after it dies, take the gas cap off. Mine would almost blow the cap out of my hands. LOL! But yours is idleing now so, and running rich. So I don't think that would be your problem.
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Old Aug 6, 2009 | 06:20 PM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

Originally Posted by garrettpen
well i put a new map sensor on it and it idled! but when i give it any throttle it started to sputter and almost die. i let it idle and warm up then shut it off, now it wont start again wtf? is there anything that controls the a/f ratio besides the map, coolant sensor and o2 sensor?
Have you had any luck getting the car running? I have almost the same problem. My 91 3.1L starts up, but when you touch the gas pedle the car stalls. I got no codes, and changed the EGR valve, as well as the ECM, and I still have the same problem.
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Old Aug 6, 2009 | 06:28 PM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

I have a 91 with a 3.1L V6. Very similar problem...the car starts but as soon as you touch the gas pedel the car stalls. I changed the EGR, fuel filter, and the ECM. Any ideas on what I should try next? The car sat for a few years before I bought it from a friend of mine. It ran good when I got it, so I changed all the filters, wires, and plugs. I also put some fresh gas it it. Then I took it to the gas station and filled it up, on the way home the problem started.
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Old Aug 6, 2009 | 08:56 PM
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Re: starts but wont stay running!

i have no idea if this would apply to you,, but i had a similar issue with my 87 iroc 5.0 tpi and i was pulling my hair out trying to fix it. it turned out to be an oil pressure switch next to the filter. it tells the fuel pump to stay running as long as there is oil pressure.. and shuts it down if it doesn't sense anything. mine was toast.. it was about $14 at o'reillys, and i haven't had a problem since.
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