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Old Feb 20, 2014 | 07:47 PM
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Wanting a supercharged motor

Hey folks. Right now my car has pretty much had a new rear end, bracing, panhard bar, driveshaft, loop, bushings, drag shocks, and frame tied. Now I am about ready to start on the motor. I am going to leave my car completely stock as far as interior and air conditioning, power steering, power windows...you get the idea.
Now I have decided that I want this to be a awesome street/strip car. I want it to pull the front wheels at the track.......actually drag the rear bumper if possible. I want the car to turn some serious rpm's and would like to put a blower on it....love that sound!!!!! But what engine do I need to use? I would like to stick with a crate engine if possible, but don't know which way to go. I know the transmission will need to be reworked and that's OK too.
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 07:43 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

I don't know how much you think you will spend or what budget you have in mind.

BUT Be prepared to spend some serious cash!!

Engine, Fuel system (lines, pump, & new FI system) Pro-charger F2 w/ air to air intercooler. You are looking at over $15K in just parts and what about the labor!??
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Old Feb 21, 2014 | 09:42 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

You'll definitely want to stick to centrifugal superchargers, otherwise you'll have that old school look with the giant blower and intercooler sitting higher than your roof line. Pulling wheels is going to take a lot of power, I'd imagine it could be done with a 383 and an f2 procharger, but it would probably be easier with something in the 400 cube range.

Could always go LS, theres a guy around here with a DC2 procharged 408 with AFR heads that makes near 1000 if I'm remembering correctly in his Trailblazer SS. But that would raise your overall cost exponentially.
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 09:21 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

This is beginning to sound expensive. Isn't there a little bit more economical way?
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 10:08 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

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This is beginning to sound expensive. Isn't there a little bit more economical way?
NO

Supercharging bare minimum 1500 IF you can fab and weld.

For someone with little experience 3-5K for the supercharger 3K for the rear and another 1500 for upgrading the trans.
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Old Feb 22, 2014 | 10:50 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

"Dragging the bumper" is all about torque, weight transfer, instant center and traction. I was able to pull the front wheels past the 60' mark for years until I finally got on a track with very good track prep. After putting the car up on the bumper twice, I installed wheelie bars to keep the front end down.
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 08:53 AM
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This falls I think into the idea,which is totally wrong,that anyone can walk up to any car,strap in,and drive it.Tons of guys do that in steps in their build and the ones that don't,often get themselves in to serious trouble.Akly has been in the seat for a very,very,long time.I would not even give it a thought to race against him and feel totally safe.
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 09:49 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

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This falls I think into the idea,which is totally wrong,that anyone can walk up to any car,strap in,and drive it.Tons of guys do that in steps in their build and the ones that don't,often get themselves in to serious trouble.Akly has been in the seat for a very,very,long time.I would not even give it a thought to race against him and feel totally safe.
THIS ! I have been building my car in steps since.. 1993 LOL

I thought 14s was fast.. then 12s now 10s...

I think If I stapped into an 8 sec car when I was in my 20s.. I would have wrecked it on my first try..
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 08:30 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

I have been drag racing bikes for 20years and have been driving my brothers drag car on and off for a few years. It runs 6:00 in the 1/8, but that is still pretty quick. It pulls the front wheels, just not as high as I want mine to.
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 10:56 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

Been running different 9.90 cars for a very long time.

Those outlaw cars scratch builds with all the cert's needed and a power train are in the hundred of thousand dollar range.Pro Mods are about the same if not more.
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Old Feb 23, 2014 | 11:31 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

Originally Posted by gsxrfann
I have been drag racing bikes for 20years and have been driving my brothers drag car on and off for a few years. It runs 6:00 in the 1/8, but that is still pretty quick. It pulls the front wheels, just not as high as I want mine to.
Why? The object of going fast at the track is to NOT lift the car off the ground for stability, consistency, and control...
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 05:33 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

some people just want to watch the world burn
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 03:17 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

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Why? The object of going fast at the track is to NOT lift the car off the ground for stability, consistency, and control...
Basically just because I want it to. You know, sometimes ya just gotta do something crazy. I definately wouldnt be using all of that power all the time, but on the rare occasion I would like to know that it is there. Plus I just love the sound of a supercharger.
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 03:18 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

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some people just want to watch the world burn

Don't wanna see the world burn.....but I wanna have fun while I am here!
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Old Feb 24, 2014 | 03:26 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

In fact we have done a very long study in practice on the 9.90 cars because we know wheelstands as a waste of power that don't win races.Sooo you spent all this money to have the power available to you and then more or less watch it go up in smoke as the car rises let alone the possible damages a huge wheelstand can and does cause if the car comes down hard.We developed chassis set up's to help prevent that from happening to move the car forward and not up.Even hard up on wheelie bars scrumps off some of the power you already spent for.That is one reason why we paint the wheels of the wheelie bars to see how much time the car was on them and how hard.Ever see a wheel from them with one side flat spotted??.Yep,that does happen.
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 09:06 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

In a effort NOT to be a thread killer from my post before,I am going to try to breath some life into this thread.

To the op some of the standard qualifying questions used on here all the time is what is the budget??.
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 11:44 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

Originally Posted by 1gary
In a effort NOT to be a thread killer from my post before,I am going to try to breath some life into this thread.

To the op some of the standard qualifying questions used on here all the time is what is the budget??.

Since OP has not replied my guess this is another newbe case of "champagne dreams and a 40 oz. budget".
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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 04:11 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

Too add alittle spice to this:

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Old Feb 25, 2014 | 10:12 PM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

Originally Posted by FRMULA88
Since OP has not replied my guess this is another newbe case of "champagne dreams and a 40 oz. budget".


No....not just a dream......trust me!l
We can get together when I am done!
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 07:26 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

Nitrous is cheaper and will more easily do the same thing
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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 08:09 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

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No....not just a dream......trust me!l
We can get together when I am done!
very well then.. as I said on my first reply to you.. "be prepared to spend some serious cash"

even a nitrous set-up while cheaper than a blower... it is hard on the motor/drivetrain.. to make the kind of power you are thinking about.. you are looking at a 400-500 hp motor and another 400-500 nitrous..

that amount of laughing gas... LOL o-ring the block and heads Aftermarket block... etc etc etc..
and you have not touched.. the trans, rearend, back halved the car.. etc etc etc

You could easily just build a BBC and make 800-1000 HP N/A

once you got that all sorted out... shoot me PM and we can do some bracket racing.

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Old Feb 26, 2014 | 08:11 AM
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Re: Wanting a supercharged motor

Originally Posted by 1gary
Too add alittle spice to this:

yes.. crowd in the stands love this, but what a waste of kinetic energy!
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