Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
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Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
I have a 1991 TA with a 350 TPI. The plugs that are installed on the car are NGK UR45GP (0.060 gap) when I believe they should be NGK UR4GP (0.040 gap). All of the specs are the same between the plugs minus the preset gap from what I can see online. I pulled a plug and it's gapped at 0.050-0.055. Would this larger gap be enough to cause a spark knock?
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
By spark knock, do you mean detonation?
My 2 cents:
A gap that large is very hard on a stock ignition system.
It can cause a misfire = not firing situation.
Close those gaps down to .035-.040" or replace the plugs.
My 2 cents:
A gap that large is very hard on a stock ignition system.
It can cause a misfire = not firing situation.
Close those gaps down to .035-.040" or replace the plugs.
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
My knock count is out of control according to datalogs using Tumer Pro. Just trying to track down the source and wasn’t sure if plug gap was a factor.
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
No plug gap does not affect detonation. Heat range of the plug could affect it. If the electrode gets too hot it will ignite the charge before the ignition event.
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
near as I can tell the brownish color indicates a slightly rich mixture... which is good in the sense that lean mixtures would be more prone to detonation
maybe soemoen else with more experience in plug reading may notice something else?
maybe soemoen else with more experience in plug reading may notice something else?
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
Try backing the timing down a couple of degrees and see if the knock counts drop.
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
OK. So put in a different set of spark plugs to see if the knock counts decrease. Plugs are cheap. Throw in a set of cheap AC Delco copper plugs. Only really nice thing about those platinum plugs is that they'll last longer so you don't have to change them as often. On some cars, a plug change can take a while.
I run NGK copper race plugs in my race car. I don't need some fancy high end plug to ignite the fuel but I also don't expect my plugs to last 50,000 miles either.
As for heat range. You want the coldest plug possible that won't foul up.
I run NGK copper race plugs in my race car. I don't need some fancy high end plug to ignite the fuel but I also don't expect my plugs to last 50,000 miles either.
As for heat range. You want the coldest plug possible that won't foul up.
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
AlkyIROC....can you recommend a specific plug I should try? Given these things are a PITA replace in my driveway without a lift, I only want to do it once. I currently have NGK UR45GP gapped at 0.055 (pulled a couple of the easy to get to plugs and checked them). Given I'm trying to root cause why my knock sensor is picking up knock from something real or false (LOOOONG story), I was thinking of trying a colder plug gapped at the spec of 0.035. Maybe NGK UR5GP?
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
Not sure what plugs are recommended for those heads but typically Delco R45T is a common plug for GM. R45TS is an extended tip and may also work.
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
The plugs called out are an NGK UR4 (universal, heat range 4). You can go to like an iridium with a lower heat rating - which would be a UR55IX - iridium plugs run cooler anyway and will last 60k+
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Re: Can a spark plug gapped wrong cause spark knock?
his UR45s are already a little cooler than the UR4s.
but I guess overall I'd be shocked if his plugs are responsible for up to 20 deg of knock retard...
but I guess overall I'd be shocked if his plugs are responsible for up to 20 deg of knock retard...
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