Maybe not...
https://www.thedrive.com/news/gm-con...k-v8-is-coming

 

I certainly hope not. I don't live in any of the silly states that are going to ban the sale of ICE cars in 35.... I live out in the sticks, in a 100 plus year old farm house, with questionable electric as it is, I have no real desire to spend the amount of money it would re quire to put in a charging station here......

Not to mention that nationwide, our electrical grid is inadequate to the task for what various governments seem to want to see happen..... Though I did see that some company or other get their 'small' nuclear reactor approved......

 

12 more years (maybe less) until they REALLY start screwing with us "classic car" owners with "updated" regulation. That whole holley/hooker thread was a sign of things to come with "old" cars. Here in Florida, we should be ok for (hopefully) a couple decades longer.

 

So SICK of the insane Left...

 

Wyoming is creating Legislation to outlaw electric cars.

 

Saw that. I think it actually passed, but, it was a gesture, and that's about it. Electrics just are not practical there.... VERY rural, not much charging infrastructure either.....

 

It's coming.... I guess this is what happens when a female takes over a car company! Ha Ha, no offense to the ladies, just a joke. Hopefully I won't get cancelled like GM ICE's!!

GM Announces Goal to Eliminate Gas and Diesel Vehicles by 2035 (caranddriver.com)

This news deserves a dislike button!

 

Now they have an electric Corvette that will be here in a year or 2.

 

It will be here for 2024. It's a hybrid, not full EV. I read up on it and it'd kinda cool. The V8 powering the rear wheels and 2 electric motors, hooked to each front wheel. 70% to the rear with the ICE and 30% electric power to the front...yes all wheel drive. 10.5 sec quarter mile and 0-60 in like 2.3!

 

I'm here for it, the e-ray is a BEAST.

I'd propose it (and other hybrids) are actually the perfect metaphor for why we should meet in the middle and make legislation that makes sense. In dense, urban and suburban contexts EV's make total sense. Short commutes and well gridded infrastructure. In xurban something like a hybrid (plug-in or traditional) makes sense, electric power for efficiency and a gas engine for longer trips. Rural areas will likely never get the infrastructure to support EV's though the technology will eventually be available (and affordable enough) to allow for rural citizens to comfortably drive one (basically price and a useable range).

However, because we love to sling mud and think everyone but ourselves and those who think like us are morons we end up with the lovely back and forth, all-or-nothing, approach that we're currently seeing. When one side is in power it panders to coal companies and dying industries, then when the other side wins out it pushes one idea all the way without common sense compromise. I'd actually argue that we've gone past the point of compromise because noone is willing to do it and be seen as "losing" or whatever.

TLDR - EV's aren't horrible, classic cars have always existed and will continue, legislation is legislation, and life is too short to get bent out of shape that someone would have the gall to tell you that your classic car (that you drive <1,000 miles a year) should only be driven <1,000 miles a year.

Normally i'd end a post like this with "flame suit on" but that suit has disintegrated, haha.

 

The ICE isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
There are 2 billion on the road right now. It'll take a bit for those to be replaced.
We certainly don't have the electrical capacity for a nation of EVs either. So there's that.
I'm fairly comfortable with the idea that traditional hot rodding will be around for a while in one form or another despite the EPA.
Even F1, although a hybrid, is committed to 100% sustainable fuel by 2025. Looks to me that there's a determination made already. Aramco is leading the way.

 

Yeah, synthetic fuel technology has come a long way. I think that’ll be what keeps hot rods going for the long term. It’ll always be expensively (comparatively) but that’ll just be the cost of the hobby. I think BMW or somebody already had one that burned as effectively in a gas engine with no mods, but it is pricey lol.

 

Well, if F1 is doing it as a pioneer, then you KNOW it's pricey.
Then again, disc brakes and EFI were also exotica for road cars but F1 was the pioneer there as well (not the only though) so the trickle down effect may benefit us in the long run.

 

LMAO... If anyone thinks we're going to have an electric grid that's up to the task of powering all these electrified cars and appliances, they're out in fantasy land.... though, IMO, I think that's the point. It was said once that the modern environmental movement is the new home of communism. That's the only thing that explains the religious fanaticism to force everyone onto a inadequate government controlled electric grid... or how a state like California can (weeks after mandating EV's after 2035) turn around and shamelessly tell people not to charge their electric cars during the last heat wave. They know the public is generally too stupid, brainwashed or oblivious to see the idiocy.

The same science-denying people who claim electric cars are "zero-emission" are the same people who can't define what a woman is, or say a man can get pregnant, or look at an ultra-sound at 9 weeks gestation and say "that's not a baby", or dumb down climate science to the extent that politicians can make unchallenged idiotic proclamations about bad weather being the result of global warming.

We're offended by reality, so we're just going to concoct a fantasy that fits our latest world view that we invented 20 minutes ago and force everyone else to live in it. Then you have the Greta Thunberg generation that's been flat out brainwashed into the global warming cult, throwing tomato soup at museum artwork. Like it or not, these people are in control of our energy policy now.

It's why Joe Brandon thinks its politically palatable to go beg third world dictators for oil and deplete the Strategic Petroleum Reserve in order to try to temporarily reduce oil prices ahead of an election rather than drill for our own. He's terrified of the soup-throwing, spoiled-brat, trust-fund babies on Twitter who essentially control his party now.

 

Oh no, all the rich people buying brand new cars will have to buy an electric one in 12 years. Somehow that means they're taking my gasoline away!

 

Not for me.

I will stay with gas combustion engines.

 

Presactly!

 

How am I (or anyone for that matter) supposed to tow a Trailer any actual distance via a purely Electric Vehicle?

Come on!
We are no where close to having a sedan that can drive from NY to FL without constantly stopping to recharge.

A 20 Hour or so drive in an average Sedan today (NY to FL) is going to take 80+ Hours with all the recharging.
That is not at all practical.

There is a long long way to go!
The Right-Siders can not be that dumb... Can they?

 

That's it in a nutshell.

 

The rest of your post proved my point about the state of discourse in this country, however, if you take this snippet and remove it completely from context in which you said it we can actually find a bit of truth.

 

yup. A good example of how we get there is music media. In 15 years we’ve gone from CD/physical media, to digital, to full streaming. Minus the vinyl resurgence.

If you told me in 2008 that I’d not have a CD player in my car in 2023 and I’d actually be OK with that I’d have thought you were crazy.

tech takes time, adoption takes time. That’s why no reasonable person is trying to do this tomorrow.

 

Battery powered pick-'em-up trucks are the dumbest idea of them all. They're just hot rods at this point.

I wouldn't get worked up about this yet. 15 year business outlooks are as loose as loose gets. Far enough out that you can say anything and nobody can argue with you, not close enough that you have to be accountable for results. It's the ultimate way for useless people to look like they have vision without the downside of doing anything.

 

Aka: The elected official?

 

Steve Magnate just stated on his junkyard crawl channel that Chrysler's Hemi plant in Mexico is upsizing.
GM with upgrades.
Now Chrysler.
For the foreseeable future, maybe we'll all just learn to live together.

F1 is leading the way.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...d%20components.

 

Here's the problem...

One side is reasonable, saying essentially, "Hey let's slow down here. Let's get the energy infrastructure in place first before we electrify everything. But until that happens, we need to maintain energy independence for national security reasons by mass producing all forms of energy including fossil fuels". Nobody reasonable is opposed to an "all of the above" energy policy.

The other side is dominated by the foaming-at-the-mouth lunatics because the "reasonable people" on that side won't tell them to STFU and go away. Nobody in the Democrat party comes out publicly disowns these freaks (and yes I'm calling out the party by name because this is their constituency). Instead the energy policy being forced on us is designed to placate the the soup-throwing nutjobs who are screaming about an immediatecessation of fossil fuels, which would plunge the world into another dark age. Then you have these unelected "global leaders" flying into Davos with their private jets talking openly about how they want to use global warming to redistribute wealth and usher in this Great Reset. And it's not just talk, as they're pressuring banks and corporations behind the scenes to defund and censor anyone who contradicts "The Narrative"... getting the private sector to do the dirty work that governments may not be able to legally do.

For anyone who values their Constitutional liberties... how the @!#% do you negotiate with that? What kind of reasonable "discourse" can you have when their stated goal take your money and your freedom?

 

Yes, and the unelected as well...

 

In 2018, if anyone tried to predict what governments (especially in the West) would do one year later during the pandemic, they'd have been labeled tin-foil hat wearer's to the n-th degree. Yet look what happened...

The lockdowns, the vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, the back-door censorship through social media, getting scientists and medical professionals to bless the George Floyd riots while at the same time conducting brutal arrests on lockdown protestors, etc... How many people died unnecessarily, businesses destroyed, livelihoods destroyed, etc... Zero people in government have been held accountable.

Even with all of that, many in the ruling class wished they could do more and openly expressed admiration for China's totalitarian ability to lock down even harder!

So, no....

When I hear these Davos, World Economic Forum, private-jet, nuerotic-control-freak types out there linking every aspect of our lives to global warming, talking about getting people to eat bugs, forcing people onto mass-transit, fighting "dis-information" and "mis-information", etc...

Put that in context with the Stalin-esque power grab we saw during the pandemic... I wouldn't get too comfortable.

You're right in a way though...

When the CA government mandates everything electric by 2035, and then everyone who had their heads in the sand realizes that the government purposefully didn't get the electric grid up to the task, and then the electricity rationing inevitably kicks in (and by then the rationing will no-doubt be based on a China-like social credit system managed by Artificial Intelligence)... nobody that issued the mandates in the first place will suffer any consequences. And by then it'll be too late to do anything about. Just look at Europe right now. They're generally about 10-20 years ahead of us on this kind of stuff.

And frankly, after the Covid experience and what the Twitter files exposed, none of what I'm saying is beyond the realm of possibility or likelihood.

My wife showed me some video on Tik Tok yesterday where a couple of GenZ Google employees were filiming themselves on a typical "work" day... how they liesurely stroll in whenever they want, get all this free stuff (food, coffee, etc), massages, lounging around the office, etc... and it was clear to me, this is why GenZ loves socialism. To them, this is essentially socialism... you barely have to lift a finger, get free stuff that everyone else pays for, etc...

 

You might benefit from a walk outside, or several. A cup of coffee at the local coffee shop, probably a mom n pops bakery with really good donuts nearby - that's a sweet combo. It's amazing what even a couple hours removed from the cable news cycle will do for mental health.

As for the Gen Z and jobs, it's odd to be upset that someone's workplace has perks that yours doesn't. In fact, the "you only need what I think you need" mindset and the suppression of opulence is a core tenant of communism

 

Probably right... lol...

 

"Twitter files exposed"...

 

I agree that we have work to do with our charging and electric infrastructure, but as someone who owns an electric car and has taken it on road-trips, your numbers are a bit off. I have an older Tesla Model S (2016) that charges slower and has less range (250 miles) than most new cars, and NY to Orlando shows 16 hrs and 1073 miles on Google maps. If I drove that straight through, I’d need to add about 5-6 hrs for charging. Some of the newer vehicles cut that to 2 hrs or less.

Let me be very clear that I still do not see this as practical, but it doesn’t quadruple the travel time, mostly due to the excellent charging network. I believe we’ll see a split within EVs like we have with light vs heavy duty vehicles with gas/diesel. Most people will be fine with a 250 mi range EV, but for towing and long haul trucks, hydrogen fuel cell EVs will be required.

Towing with an EV truck for anything other than around town right now makes no sense.

 

And where does electricity come from? Fossil fuels or nuclear power (no -- solar, wind, and hydro are not effecient enough or practical enough for large-scale power generation).
So the whole thing is a joke...

 

It's my fault for not being clear enough...

I'm talking about Towing my Trailer from NY to FL taking 4 times the amount of time with an Electric Truck (Non-Hybrid).

 

Mmmm...

We do have other options, but the powers (in this country/ government) that be have been diminishing them for decades.

When I completed both my ME and EE Masters Degrees, I as able to show a 92% to 95% probability of 2 other forms of Electrical Generation.

I found that Hydro-Electric could be practical once the height of the Water-Falls has surpassed a minimum that I do not recall off of the top of my head...
As long as a certain minimum volume of Water is also achieved.

Then also a Dynamo/ Magneto Hybrid System was just as probable.


Replacing nearly all Fossil-Fuel based Gasoline and Motor-Oil products with Synthetic Gasoline and Synthetic Motor Oil products is 100% achievable...
Not to mention costing significantly less than the Fossil-Fuel based products.

Ethanol would also be a very inexpensive option.
Until E85 came about...
I was purchasing 100% anhydrous Ethanol (4% Gasoline to pervent any Water from accumulating).
114 Octane Ethanol for $0.43/ Gallon, made from Corn-Husk and Orange-Peels.

The cost of Corn and Oranges never went up.
Simply more bull-**** from our Government...
There is no reason for us to produce Ethanol from edible Corn...
I have synthesized it at home from grass clippings and other waste products.

It kills me to see ***-holes in south America with a sucessful Ethanol program using the waste from Sugarcane...
They use the majority of the Sugarcane for Potable Ethanol (Rum).

 

You're east coast. It's not like that in the 2000 miles between the heartland and the west coast. Try to drive that and your entire vacation will be planned around finding the next plug-in. You won't get to go where you want to go.

Two years ago I was sitting at a truck stop in North Dakota when a Tesla came rolling in. He was stranded. Nowhere to charge, and not enough range left to make it out of there.

 

This thread has turned non-technical after only a few posts. While there is some good technical (non-automotive), economic, and policy discussion posted here, it has strayed from the realm of ThirdGen or automotive tech talk.

We do not have an appropriate "Off Topic" of "Non-Automotive Technical" forum, so there is nowhere to move the thread within the site. While I might heartily agree with many of the points stated here, there is little choice but to close this before it pulls the discussion too far off the rails.

Perhaps we could petition the site administration to add a forum for this kind of discussion to see if there is any interest in hosting such a forum. It could be both entertaining and educational to see more members' comments on a multitude of topics not specific to ThirdGen F-bodies.