how come all these mustang owners that know jack squat about cars praise the 5.0 for being this godly motor? my friend just got an 84 mustang with a stock 5.0 5spd with the only mod being flowmaster exhaust. he wanted to race me and i know that my engine is on the way out soon and he just kept on pissin me off about braging about this 5.0 motor. so i took him out by my house and i smoked the **** out of himand he shut up . his excuse was that he wasnt good with a manual. i personally think the 5.0 is **** and they should drop a 390 or 429scj in it and then brag.

 

tho the stupidity of some drivers the 302 ford is up there with one of the best engines made, the've been making serious power out of them for years from back in the 60's with the Boss 302 and they were spanking everyone in the road race circuit back then also. compared to the 305 chevy which wasent released untill the late 70's as a econo smog engine. its really no comparison there. also how many 11,10,9 second 5 litres you see at the track? alot,...305's? next to none. that is one thing you have to give ford is they make that little engine really fly, something GM never really couldn't do, they were more set on the big block monsters.

 

I think the '86 & previous were the non-roller blocks. The FI ones are pretty torquey & respond very well to basic bolt ons inclusing a full exhaust , cold air intake, pulleys ect...

Then again....you shouldn't be wasting your time with them

 

Have u ever seen a blown up 5.0??? i know i haven't (sure people have)...there just so strong for a motor. Chevy's 305 didn't work b/c they put to short of a stroke into the motor (correct me if i'm wrong) I race my bro's 92 5.0 all the time just messsing around and i have never been him. Only thing that helps chevy out is that in their stock auto tranny you can manulaly shift 4 gears. In ford 3 and 4 are the same possition on the shifter. I have a 350 w/justa cat back. It's got 245-255 horses, he's only got 225.Sorry to say guys, gotta love the 5.0

 

You got that backwards the Ford 5.0 has a shorter stroke. 302: 4.0" bore, 3.0" stroke. 305: 3.735 Bore, 3.48" stroke. The only reason why the 5.0 makes good power is because that thing can rev, they rev fast and hard. This is what makes high horespower, the faster you can spin an engine the more power it makes.

 

I've seen a blown up 302 . It tore a hole bigger than a fist in one of the cylinder walls. Bent the big end of the connecting rod all kindsa crazy ways. I've seen alot more blown trannies that were living behind 302s though...

 

This is non-tech in that it doesn't relate to this board and is just asking for pointless flame bait. In just a few short posts it already has all the makings of a waste of bandwidth post...

bwahahaha, i thought this was my board, i was about to lock it, oh well, your call guys.....

 

Aren't Mustangs lighter than Camaro's? And there are tons of mods that are available for the 5.0's. It's REALLY hard to find a 305 TPI with a 5-spd. man. trans in California.

But are Mustangs more reliable than Camaros? Because Mustang message boards have far less repair questions than Camaro message boards do. Mustangs exterior is dull, but interior in pleasing. Vise versa for the 3rd gen. f-body.

Imagine, a 5.0 under the hood of an import-sized car. Humm., maybe I'll buy a 88-93 Mustang 5.0 (5-spd), and see what its really like! NAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Akshay
89 Camaro RS

 

Yeah the 305 isn't much, but those chevy 302's sure could run....

 

Well, ill say this. I used to have a 90 5.0 5-speed hatch before I got my 89 GTA a couple years back. Let em tell you that Mustang was a piece of crap. They are made so terribly. With 3.73's and a flowmaster cat-back, all that car would turn was 14.40's. My 89 GTA was bone stock with 117,000 miles on it with a flowmaster catback and was running 14.50's all day long. And I CAN drive a stick. (I raced a 12-sec 68 440/4-speed Charger for a year).Now granted that was with a 350 and 3" exhaust, but remember....single 3" exhaust. I dont care what anyone says, dual 2 1/2 flows a hell of a lot more than a single 3" pipe. Not to mention the fact that Ford's EEC-IV computer system is a nightmare to work on. Also, when I bought my Mustang, i had to replace the motor mounts. No big deal right? Well, I went to buy them and the guy asked for the build date of the car. There were 2 different styles of mounts used in 90. How many bellhousing patterns did Ford have for the 302 alone for Christs sake. Let alone all the other boat anchor motors they made. The only motor worth a damn in my book is the old 427 side-oiler from the 60's. Gee, why do you think the majority of the cars out at the track are Chevys and Mopars? So people dont have to deal with stuff like that.

Now this jazz about the 305 not being a good performer is bull. My LG4 motor is bone stock in my 83 T/A. All I have done to it is the exhaust in my sig, "G" hanger, "DR" rods, and 3.73's. I went from 17.40's to 15.11. All I paid for all of that stuff was a total of about $230. Got the exhaust used for $200, 3.73's out of my S-10, and the rods and hanger for about $10 from my work. Remember that is with stock garbage cam, crap heads, and weenie 8.5 to 1 pistons. I surpised the hell out everyone and the track last time when I was wiping up 4.6/stick mustangs and hangin with 5.0s all the way down the track. Now I dont care what anyone says....With better compression, better cam and decent heads, this 305 can break 13's, still have good driveability, and sound better than any 13-sec stang out there.

Then theres the whole appearance/ride quality issue. Hell, My 83 T/A handles and rides better than that 90 Mustang ever did. It also gets better gas mileage. Now this is an opinion, but the Third-gen F-body looks better than a Fox body stang any day of the week.

I know this post is probably gonna start a war, but everyone is stating their opinions...and I just stated mine. Later

 

I know! I know! ONE!

I dunno how this Ford/Chevy stuff always goes off on a tangent... I guess some people just have to nitpick one brand and not the other, or praise one and not the other. Theres no reliability advantage from what I have seen either way (although I have my own opinion of GM) and theres no real significant difference in weight or power either. Anything you hear to the contrary is stuff that has been blown out of proportion by a biased opinion.

 

The Ford 302, one of the best motors of all time ? What a crock of crap! If you're going to compare it to a chevy engine,compare it to the chevy 302 [4in. bore x 3in.stroke] same as the ford 302. Put them in cars of the same weight and there is no contest. Now the 302 chevy isn't in production but can be built using a 327 or 350 sbc block and a 283 crank. The 302 Ford is inherently inferior to a sbc, the chevy had a stronger block and forged crank. Anyone touting the 302 ford is showing their lack of automotive knowledge and susceptibility to unfounded rumor. I realize that some of you may not have heard of a 302 chevy because it has been produced since 1969, believe me with the right gears and a manual trans. it was a mega revving terror. Ford 302 my a$$!

 

i love my 305 5spd bird but i will have to say that all my freinds stangs have gears and full exhaust and they run 14.2 and aroudn there and i know with full exhaust and gears i will prob run 14.9999999 at best. grant it they did have better heads and bigger cam then us stock but we have to spend alot more money on heads and a cam just to compete with them. chevy needs to come out with a new engine to get rid of the 305. well i love m 305 5 spd bird but them mustangs a definatly fast cars but don't handle worth of a shlt

 

Inherently inferior? LMAO!

F-body boards and Ford topics never cease to amuse me.

 

I'm so glad my opinion was cast earlier that i would have closed it, lol.

See how dumb it juts ends up...

 

i like both cars and i have to say ford got it right in a few ways. the 302 was built well enough to run with the 350 f bodies and sold well. the 305 can go toe to toe with the 302 with a weight reduction in a camaro, but finding a camaro at the same weight as the mustang isn't easy. as far as asking why 5.0 mustang guys think they are hot is a question i ask of most car guys. look at some of the names on here. mustang killer, ford killer, etc. what do these guys drive that can beat all the fords out there? comparing the 302 chevy and ford is a good comparison since the 302 boss will beat a 302 chevy although it is close. rumors that seem to have grown over the years as to how fast the 67 to 69 Z28's were stock is rediculous. aside from guys saying "it revved like hell", that's about it. they were 14 second cars stock and no more. need proof, go to muscle car races and events of people that own them now. both cars are great, unfortunatly the mustangs will get the last laugh (at least for now) since they have taken over sales. btw, an 84 mustang was hardly fast stock so you didn't accomplish much and where also is anyone going to find the 429 scj? the 428 was cj and scj, the 429's were boss'.

 

I personally like how the engine runs and they respond to mods very well to mods but I dont' like the weakness of the block. They have a tendency to crack at the mains. I also don't like the oiling system on it. But over all if you want to run low times cheep it is a good motor. I also like the fact that ford has done such a good job at making an avaliable aftermarket for the average buyer. Motorsport parts are cheep and of high quality which is something that chevy doesn't cater to. Ford knows that they have an performance following and they supily every part they can think of to help their customers make the best cars possiable.

flame me or not but that is my opinion.

 

There is such a thing as a 429SCJ. The 429 came in all sorts of flavors.

 

i just noticed how i worded that. he is right, the sjc was available in a 429, what i was referring to is the lack of them. they were like finding the 305 5 speed. most bought the boss' than the sjc just as the 350 was usually the choice over the 305 5 speed camaro. pretty much most cj's and scj's were the 428's. there was also a 429 pi and 429 thunderjet.

 

Madmax:

In response to your post. I GUARANTEE you there was more than one bellhousing pattern made for the 302. Ill bet anything. My neighbor is heavy into Fords and I asked him after reading your post to make sure I was correct. He said back in the early-mid 70's, they had 2 different bellhousings for the 302. Also, an original 302 from a late 60's Z28 will run far better than 14's...ive seen it. Not to mention, the 302 Chevy had nothing to worry about when it was paired up to a Boss (lol) 302......ive seen it. Not trying to start "poop" here, just stating facts. Later guys (and gals)

 

There has never been a different bellhousing bolt pattern on any 302 block, ever. You and your friend are mistaken.

 

Ford bellhousing pattterns pff the top of my head....

1.) windsor small block (both short deck 302, and tall deck 351W share the same bellhousing)

2.) cleveland/M small block (351Cleveland, 400M {don't know what the M stands for)

3.) FE (old style) big block

4.) late style big block

5.) i think theres one more big block pattern too specific to one of the hi po 427/8/9, i forget.

Did i miss one? Also, i'm not 100% sure, but the cleveland small block might have the same bellhousing as one of the BBs.

Last i checked there has only ever been one 302 block. The Boss 302 is a windsor 302 w/ 4V 351C heads basically

This is off the top of my head and i'm far from a ford guru. That is why i would have locked this thread. How many people are in here posting their misinformed ideas of ford smallblocks when they don't even know the major differences that make each one unique.

Yeah, the for aftermarket is so great. You can still build a chevy rotating assembly stronger and cheaper than for a ford. There are more types and also cheaper heads for SBCs as well. The 5.0 fords are notorious for breaking the block in high output apps. The 5.0 ford has a horrid rod/stroke ratio. etc etc. It has it's high points too (it's lighter than a SBC, it's lower than an SBC, etc)

My point is, if you're gonna step into a debate, add some facts, or simply read and learn. Misinformation, heresay, and just general stupid opinions are pointless in a debate, and just confuse the matter. Like i said earlier, i knew nothing good would come out of this thing....

 

MadMax is correct. The 289, 300 I6, 302 and 351W all share the same bellhousing pattern. The 351M and C have one all thier own. The 390 and 400 have thier own. The 429 and 460 have thier own. Gee an engine swap isnt just and engine swap in a fNord.

If you really want to compare the 302 vrs 305 add some weight like that of a full sized truck and see which one runs better. Any one drive a full sized bronco with a 302? Its not very impressive, yet a full sized blazer with a 305 will blow the broncos doors off.

 

The 351C and M dont have their own pattern. The 351C has a SBF pattern, the 351M and 400 has the big block pattern. The 427/428/429/460 have the same pattern. The 289 has 2 bolt patterns, although finding one of them would be quite difficult.

 

you know what? you guys are right. i never should have opened up my mouth about the whole bellhousing thing. i talked to another friend that has worked for ford fo like 15 years. He informed me that there was in fact only one bellhousing pattern for the 302. My apologies to everyone. But, you still couldnt give me a ford. if you put a gun to my head and told me to, id take it and sell it and buy another thirdgen.

 

it may have turned into a tech thread but it's still about a ford so it's getting locked before any more flames develope from this