Last night on my weekly rounds to the illegals, there was a 2000 Turbo Eclipse that my friends knows, he is a pretty cool guy & he was bragging about how fast he is and how he has beat so many people. Well later that night my friend and I decided to go cruise Speedway, While we were sitting at Coaches Deli, we see him drive by, so my friend and I decide to cruise with him, I am eventually coaxed into racing him..

I honestly didn't think I have a chance, but it was for fun. We start from a stop and at the count of 1 were both off, I get a little lead against him, & I am racing like I have never raced before, power shifting like a mad man. While in third-fourth gear I start to steadily pull away from him!!! I couldn't do anything but yell YYEEAA! lol! My friend was like "I knew you could do it!" I kicked his ***.

We did a second run to justify my last win but we started from a roll, same thing happened except this time I pulled even harder on him, my friend and I friend couldn't help from laughing.

He blamed it on running to much boost "he was like running 20-22 pounds of boost!"


I felt great. I honestly didn't think I was going to beat him, guess my car isn't so slow after all LOL, but I'm not letting it get to my heads.

 

are you sure it was had a turbo dude? the newer eclipse's have a NA V-6...and they probably run a mid 15. either way, good kill....but i think he was just lying about the turbo....especially with that much boost.

 

If it was a 2000 + eclipse I doubt he had turbo real hard to do hardly and space under the hood if it was the v6 he could be running in the high 15's. If he was a good driver he would be running very low 15 (me ) and at best high 14's and thats stock of course.

 

Like I said he is a friend of mine, I have seen it with my own eyes, it IS turboed, not factory, he added it in himself. He has it wedged in the front passenger side.

I think it said "engyne" or something on it.

When your pushing it and on the side of you is an Eclipse and all you hear is "YYIINNGG!!" you know he has a turbo LOL.

 

In order to run 20+ lbs of boost a 3rd gen Eclipse motor would have to be completely rebuilt with stronger internals, fuel pump, injectors, clutch, intake, exhaust and several piggyback computers (preferably a stand alone engine control unit). In my travels on www.neweclipse.org I've only heard of a handful of 3rd gen turbos, and I've never heard of one running that much boost.

Injen makes an intake for 3rd gen Eclipses that's good for a few horsepower. Here it is:

 

Why does the valve cover say VOLVO?

 

It says "3.0 L V 6", which does sort of look like "V O L V O" in that picture!

 

um looks like it says valve to me not volvo

 

It really did look like VOLVO to me, espeically how that line crosses right in the middle!

 

maybe it was a 2g or maybe it was a 3g with an electric whinning sound maker thing(the make everything elctric now turbo, blower,bov)

 

FYI it says 3.0 L V6 and on the bottum it say 24 valve

 

I'm sorry guys I misinterpited, seeing as how I do not know a damn thing about imports, I think it was a secodn gen, you knwo the one with the bump on the hood & the oval head lights.

it said 2000 on the engine so I figure it was a 2000 LOL


and I KNOW IT WAS A TURBO!

 

yea it was prob the 2g 1g has the hump to.Good kill tho and was it GSX(awd) or gst(fwd).

 

If it was actually a 1st or 2nd gen turbo, running 20+ lbs of boost on anything less than racegas is a bad idea.

On the 1st gen 14b turbo it's possible to run that much boost, but I wouldn't recommend it on a daily basis. On the 2nd gen t25 turbo, running that much boost just heats up the air and produces less power. Running that much boost without supporting mods is more harmful than productive.

 

I think it was the GST because he didn't get traction form a stop, thats why he wanted to run me at a roll.

 

His engine is built up, he just got the turbo a few weeks ago and he got a little nutty with the boost I think, but a kill is a kill no matter how you look at it

After the first run he told me he needed to adjust his boost "excuses", so I let him, then when we ran from a roll and I still won he told me he was running to much boost...

 

You're right, a kill is a kill!

There's no reason to upgrade the internals on the 1st and 2nd gen turbo Eclipses until you are into/beyond the 400 hp range. If all of this is true, then there is something seriously wrong with his setup.

Did he have a non-turbo Eclipse and then he added an aftermarket turbo kit? Tell the guy to go online sometime and post his setup on this thread...something's wrong somewhere.

 

i know a guy with a 98 talon with awd and the turbo. he put on a new turbo, intake, exhaust, and a computer that he can plug his labtop into. and his boost controler is exited to the atmosphere, ie not into the exhaust, it gets pretty loud at full booost.

he gave me a ride in it and man is it fast. he had it clocked in the 12s in the 1/4. and i can believe him.

and he hates rice. but the only thing i don't like is that his liscense plate has "die v8" on it. and he is the guy i want to go after with my 400/t56. hopefully i can take him.

 

those cars arent really that fast, but at the same time they arent slow. i beat one from a 50-90 mph by a car or two. at first i was kinda disappointed that i didnt beat him more until i realized i raced him in his best rpm range. off the line i would have ripped him apart. but good kill man.

 

DSM's are like a box of chocolates...you never know what you're gonna get.

Sometimes you'll get poorly maintained stock cars that can't even get out of their own way.

Sometimes you'll get mildly modified cars that you will either beat or lose to, depending on what you've got and what they've got.

Sometimes you'll get someone who's taken the time to build something that's legitimately fast.

The car you raced sounds like it was pretty much stock but in decent shape. Don't judge all DSM's by the first one you encounter...that would be like a Honda guy assuming that all Camaros are slow because he ran a 2.8 V6 and won.

Good kill, regardless!

 

yeah, i dont judge anything before ive seen it run, the only import ive ever lost too was a turbo eclipse, lol. i think it foolish to judge a book by its cover, i respect everything now. unless......its a bicycle.

 

Oh yeah? Well I once saw this goped with nitrous...and...nevermind!

 

:hail: GOPED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the snake-eater-eater!!!!!!!

 

Hey 5siz I think you should change your sig to 99 turbo eclipse .

 

No, I'm chaning it to 96 Turbo charged Eclipse. Talked to him yesterday & he was saying his boost was messed up, I talked to hs passenger to get a second opinon, he said there was nothing that looked off, I beat him fair and square and the driver was so pissed I beat him 2 times LOL.

 

thats more like a 2.8 stock / out of tune...

i beat most honda's on the road except for
preludes/civics with DOHC VETC

i run a 15.9 in the 1/4 with all the stereo equipment
and ford 19lb injectors (--that actually turned out to be 17's - way ford rates the injectors)

bottom line all 2.8's arent that bad...
atleast im faster than most LG4's and LO3's

 

hey i was happy i kept up with a TSI... it was newer... had that big a-ss arch wing on it... said tsi on the back.... we were taking a right on to the highway....and he just got a jump start on me because he was the only one who knew we were racing... so when i punched it... i kept up with him...i got to his door till the light turned yellow... then he slowed down and i flew by.... and im not a ***** either... i wont count that as a win.... with a 305 auto... i was happy with the performance... must me the K&N sticker on my air box.... oh yea baby!

 

good kill !

there was a good point made however . not just dsm's , but pretty much anything with a turbo can be made to go fast very easily . its not hard to upgrade the fuel system and add some more boost . (until you increase the cylinder pressure so much that the bottom end cakes )

ive seen dsm's run 15's and ive seen them run 12's . its like lining up against a grand national . it can look completly stock on the outward glance , then blast through a mid 10 second pass .

 

A real good friend of mine had a 91 Talon TSI and it was pretty quick. We started modding at the same time, and were running the same times. He got a new turbo and started to spank me, so I dropped in a new SBC and started spanking him, then he got a fuel computer and an MSD box, so we're back to even. Those things are nearly impossible to power shift w/o a ton of tranny work, and the trannies are a little fragile in stock trim too. He was running a little less than 20 lbs of boost. It was a really fun car, too bad he sold it. Now I have my turbo t-bird. The T-3 is in the mail along with a boost controller and a front mount volvo IC. I know I'm sick, I just can't help it.

 

Are you sure you have 19# injectors? Ford actually makes both 17# and 19# injectors. Normal 5.0's got the 17#ers and the 5.0L HO got the 19#ers. The 17's are a sort of green color and the 19's are orange. I've never heard of the 19#ers flowing anything less than 19#'s of fuel.

 

He probably got them from a non HO motor.

The DSMs, are to the import world like the small block chevy was to the muscle car world. They are easy to mod, cheap, and when done right can put up great numbers. The AWD versions are one of the best to start with, but seeing a 10 second one launch is painful. I KNOW the suspension was not designed for a 5000 RPM clutch drop on 17 wheels!

 

ok...seeing as how this has goen off topic..what the hell is a DSM?

 

Ok, here's to clear up a few things. The guy 5SIZ raced is Mike, a good friend of mine from a few years back. His car is a 95 Eclipse GS-T. Here is what he has as far as I know: Aftermarket pop-off valve, adjustable boost controller, intake arm, exhaust, 2nd gen head (he wanted to go with a 1st gen head which he says is good for .75 sec but wasnt' able to) new turbo, ignition. He's given me a ride several times and let me drive his car the other day. From what I can tell it pulls really hard from the mid range but kinda peters out up top. Seems to me like he IS running too much boost. The guage reads 22 pounds in 3rd/4th gear, and around 10-15 in 1st, 2nd gear. I was pretty impressed when I saw Sergio put the smack down on him on Pima Good kill. Race him again this Friday so he can't make any excuses of his turbo running too hot and putting his car into limp mode.

 

DSM= Diomand Star Motors

 

Good kill, but he must've been out of tune or something. Now I don't know much about 1g or 2g Eclipses, but there's 2 Eclipses that run turbos at SIR every test n tune, and they both run high 13's/low 14's.

Chris, did you get your damn phone turned on yet? If you did, call me Friday when you hit the illegals.

 

sick, sick man!!! hahah j/j. Cool!! Good to see some other Ford 2.3T modding going on around here. Now all you need is the LA3 ECU, the brown top injectors, and full exhaust (w/ downpipe) and you should be in the 13's (i think).

 

Do you happen to know which turbo he has? Is it a stock replacement T25, a T28, a 14b, 16g, Big 16g, etc.?



Sounds like a T25 to me...nearly instant spoolup, good midrange, but no topend. Even with the usual upgrades, T25 turbos are generally maxxed out around 240-250 hp due to their small size. Usually the boost starts falling off after 5000 rpm (you'll need to verify this on an aftermarket gauge, the stock gauge reacts too slowly).



This is a classic symptom of boost creep. Is he running a 3 inch exhaust or without the catalytic converter (or both)? Boost creep happens when you are running an exhaust that flows more than your wastegate can get rid of, and it leads to uncontrolled boost in the higher gears. Bad news. Sounds like he needs to get his wastegate ported. 22 lbs of boost in 3rd and 4th gear on a T25 is bad no matter how you look at it...it's just heating the air to the point where it's bad for the turbo and not making any power. If anything, he's probably getting the timing pulled so badly he's not making any power...I've seen it get pulled so bad that it can actually make you slower than stock. If he knows someone with a datalogger or a pocketlogger, he needs to hook it up and find out what the hell is really going on with his car.

I also agree that it's a good kill. Tell this guy to please go to dsmtalk.com and ask some questions to get his car sorted out. Good luck on Friday! :lala:

 

I'm pretty sure my '88 already came with the LA3 and 35 lb/hr brown tops. I'm going for the 3" dp and full 3" out the back.

My TC is advertised at 3400 lbs, but I've had one of these all the way apart and there is probably 400 lbs of insulation in the car. Not to mention the two power least probably weigh 50 lbs a piece.

 

Yo, if chris doesn't call ya I will hehe. we need more domestics at the illegals.

 

Yeah, my phone is back on. We just got done installing a 3.73 posi onto the camaro...................hauls major *** now!! Going to test it out at the illegals against some known 13.9 sec uncorrected cars. Should be able to crack 13's in that thing pretty soon here.

 

yea I have to get some more races in hehehe, Chris has corrupted me.

what do you say synapsis, me & you

 

You know you don't want any of this. And until I get my exhibition of rediculousness ticket taken care of, no offtrack racing for me.