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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 12:01 AM
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B4C VS. Monte Carlo SS

Ran across a a 1987 Monte Carlo SS on the road today, we were at freeway speeds and then he just punches it to my surprise, he momentarily got about a car length ahead of me but not for long, caught up to him easily and pulled 4-5 car lengths ahead of him. At the next light he rolled down his window and asked what I had (cam, headers, etc), I told him just a stock 1992 RS. (which it is) but B4C 5.7L.
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 12:04 AM
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Nice kill. I wish I had a cice sleeper like a :hail: b4c.
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 01:32 AM
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montes were all that fast stock...its the same motor in the firebird/camaro...the lg4 i believe...but the car weighs a little more

i want one of those bad...drop a 383 in it and have a killer ride..i love the way they look black with crager ss wheels mmmmm
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 01:38 AM
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I like the Monte SS too, has a nice shape to it. Would have been nice if Chevy would have put the L98 TPI in it in its last year in 1988.
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 01:46 AM
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even if they did it still would of lost to the camaro cuz it weighs like 2 or 300 pounds more
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 07:12 AM
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The weights are actually really close, depending on options they were anywhere from 3200 - 3500 if I remember correctly. And the SS got the L69, CL's and LS's got the LG4. I sure wish my Aerocoupe had the L98 in it, oh well, or if Chevy was smart they would have stuck with the Turbo 3.8 they had for a few years, bummer.
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 07:17 AM
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oh well, or if Chevy was smart they would have stuck with the Turbo 3.8 they had for a few years, bummer.
my thoughts exactly
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 08:19 AM
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:hail: Aerocoupe Styling :hail: Yea those cars are freakin' cool. But in stock form nothing a B4C won't beat the crap out of. Love those B4C's!!!!!!!

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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 08:47 AM
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Chevy I don't think was ever going to use buick's turbo 3.8, at the time Chevy was PISSED at buick for even making the GN so powerful in 86 and 87..the thing was beating Vettes which is Chevy's flagship car...plus imagine how many people would run out and buy a Monte if they had a turbo 3.8...vette sales would be down, which it seems like that's the car Chevy has only cared about in the last decade or two...
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 08:51 AM
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Chevy I don't think was ever going to use buick's turbo 3.8, at the time Chevy was PISSED at buick for even making the GN so powerful in 86 and 87..the thing was beating Vettes which is Chevy's flagship car...plus imagine how many people would run out and buy a Monte if they had a turbo 3.8...vette sales would be down, which it seems like that's the car Chevy has only cared about in the last decade or two...
sadly enough that's true. Chevy has shown little interest in improving the f-body as a unit. They just throw the vette motor in it which isn't a bad thing. But they've basically left the rest of the drivetrain un touched for many years.
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 12:45 PM
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My bad, it was Chevy's 3.8 (229 vs. 231) that was turboed for the Monte not the Buick 3.8

Here's a link about them if anyone's interested http://www.flash.net/~rjgeorge/montecarlo.htm

Too bad the plug was pulled on the LC2, I think things would be very interesting if the g-body was kept alive, grrrr. If you can't tell I'm a g-body nut.
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 10:56 PM
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I didn't know they turbocharged the 229...hmmm, I'll have to remember that. Maybe build one up someday.
That really sucks how GM puts the barrier up against every other brand inside of GM. Corvette this, Corvette that. I really feel that they have been holding back Cadillac. Does anyone happen to remember the Fleetwood in the latter part of its life? Corvette 350. But guess what? De-tuned. Why? It's a damn 4000 lb car. How in the hell would it beat the Vette anyway. But, hey, they weren't going to even give it a chance.
Hey...everyone knows Cadillac needs help. I mean, it seems like they have made the fewest engines in the past 40 years...of any other brand.
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Old Oct 23, 2002 | 11:17 PM
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Well here we go again LOL. OK Only the Monte SS had the L69 the LS/SC had the LG4. Yeah montes are the most badass platform to build a hot rod from. Some may think that the weight is a problem, but remember this you can fit a bigger engine in a Monte SS than a 3rd gen. I have heard of people putting 502's and bigger in. Now way can you fit a 502 in a 3rd gen. I think chevy has gone retard. Killing the F-bodies and then ruining the Monte SS with the v6 fwd thing. i personally think that the vette sucks. there is no real point in owning one. It is just one of those cars that is supposed to give you prestige. But they are good for nothing else. They are a 2 seater pain in the ***. You cant drive them in bad weather they make a horrible daily driver, It is an old guy summer car or a poor old guys every day car. I cant wait until the dodgge charger comes out! I think i might switch to that Mopar seems to know where it is at now. Ford i dare say is a close second.
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 11:48 AM
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sadly enough that's true. Chevy has shown little interest in improving the f-body as a unit. They just throw the vette motor in it which isn't a bad thing. But they've basically left the rest of the drivetrain un touched for many years.
Sorry to say this, but even the rest of the car was neglected. I still can't believe they have not designed the car around thst "bump" in the passenger floor. I thought by now they could have designed it out of the way, but no! And even the interior peices and such are the same fit as the third generation cars, making it nice for third gen owners! I still think they are awesome cars, but GM should have spent more time on them, and they would have an even better longer lasting car!
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by 87350MCSS
but remember this you can fit a bigger engine in a Monte SS than a 3rd gen. I have heard of people putting 502's and bigger in. Now way can you fit a 502 in a 3rd gen
OK? yeah, sure bigger than a 502, does Chevrolet make any blocks bigger than a 502?? I don't think so and I think the 502 is the same size block as a 396. Their all Big Block Chev.'s. That's kinda like saying that a 283 is tight fit so there is no way that I could fit a 400 in there

Later, Garrett
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 01:31 PM
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nice kill!!
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by 87350MCSS
Now way can you fit a 502 in a 3rd gen.
Wanna put $$ on that statement??
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 02:17 PM
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Fly that's exactly what I was going to say at first, I guess I just don't have the gaul to say it. I will most definately agree with you a 502 can be put in a 3rd gen F-body. Shi+ you can put a 502 into a geo metro (I've seen a 454, scary).

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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 02:22 PM
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i've seen a 3rdgen with a 502, what's why I said it...of course it was shoehorned in...not much room at all, not a swap i'd want to do, but cool nonetheless...
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 02:25 PM
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when people tell me "it wont fit" I just reply, "you can make anything fit" and leave it at that.
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 02:28 PM
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Originally posted by Ace_Murdock
when people tell me "it wont fit" I just reply, "you can make anything fit" and leave it at that.
true
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Old Oct 24, 2002 | 08:43 PM
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Well, I, personally am not going to shoehorn something in. If it's that much trouble, I'll use a different body. They are plentiful around here. But I guess it depends on what you want.
I have heard of people just dropping a big engine in and that's that. Like for instance, a big block Olds in a factory v6 Supreme. Nothing else. No new tires, shocks, suspension, nothing. Then they take a curve much too fast, send the car into...not as much as a tailspin, but a boomerang...slam it into a tree, and destroy the frame, bust the tranny, damage the engine, hurt themselves, flatten some tires, bend some rims, destroy the exhaust, whatever else...just because they didn't prep the car for the engine swap. Would have been cheaper in the long run, wouldn't it? Especially when the other choice is life-threatening.
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