i have an 86 firebird 350 with a carb. Its got over $4,000 in new parts(tranny, torque converter, aluminum radiator, hooker cat-back,K&N filterharger, and many more parts that i cant even remember) This kid with an 89 Honda CRX with headers, no cat, fart tip, and DOHC non-VTEC engine says hes gonna hand my *** to me on a silver platter. He's been saying this for the longest time but always makes excuses when it comes down to race time. Well it's finally going down Saturday night. He agreed to a good ol fashioned from full stop race. Just lookin for some last minute advice and confidence boosts. Should i show him the tail lights of a thirg gen firebird or what??

All I can suggest, is if you want to be really nice, you can bring the vasoline free of charge

him laying a spike strip in front of your car's tires before the race is the only way he would beat you.
try not to fall over when you start laughing at the end of the "race"
biker

Yeah, unless he's packing some nitrous....wait scratch that. Even if he is running the gas, you'll still wave at him from the finish line. After it's over you can tell him what an idiot he is :nono: while you dance :lala: around his ricemobile.


Oh yeah, race him for money.

A 350 with a carb doesn't really tell us much. If you have decent parts in there, you should be able to win. It might be a mute point anyway, because a lot of ricers like to BS about what they have under the hood. For all you know he could have the stock 1.5L TBI POS engine with 180000 on the clock. When i was looking for a gas-saver, I was going to buy a black '89 CRX Si off of my "friend". He told me it had a 1.6L ZC engine (the same one this other guy says he has), when i opened the hood i saw a stock SOHC engine. But if that guy has what he says he has, it means he has around 160 hp to play with in a little ****-box that wieghs ~1900lbs, in which case that car should move alright.

ive got a lot of new parts, (brand new tranny)(not mods. im waiting to get it in excellent running condition before heavily modifing it). This kid loves to talk trash about domestics( mostly camaros and firebirds). So handing him his a$$ on a silver platter would be my pleasure. Maybe know he'll respect the power of GM muscle.

If its anything like my buddies 89 civic hatch you will destroy it. So bad its not even funny. We cannot burn out in that car if we lock the emergency brake and floor it. All it does is make more noise when you step on the gas. Ive seen 85 in that car, and I demanded to have those 10 minutes of my life back.

oh i will spank him soi teat his fart tip off. He might go ahead and call it off due to some BS excuse of his..like always

my friend has a 89 crx with a zc engine i believe its dohc non vtec also, anyway it will only run mid 15s!
good luck beating him..

now that zc isnt much to worry about ( 145 hp ) in a rex but if its got things done that you cant see like a ported and cut head like i had dont to a zc-rex i had will it may see low 14's ...but dont worry the power of the SBC will always win

it would be alot easier if you could win races against **** just by saying "I've got a 350" but since you can't,

make him understand by beating him will ya?

well, actually, i saw an 80 somthing CRX beat a 69 Camaro, its these 2 guys from my school, and we have like 2 sides domestics and imports, and i guess they all met like a few miles from the school and had like a show down type deal, well i guess the CRX killed the 69, it had a frame up restoration and a new 327, i had the guy that owns the camaro in my wieght lifting class, hes pretty cool and we used to talk about his car, but from what i hear hes not the best mechanic considering his engine would backfire constantly....but yea, It happened! and thats why the guy with the 69 is doing an engine swap right now!

well the race was put off again this time the kid said he had to go out to eat wih his family . he must know im gonna beat his asz

86, did you race him? Or are you talking about next weekend? I'll come by and check it out. Hell, i may even know who has the CRX. I have a lot of friends with imports who know everyone. You know how that is though! lol They don't know sh it. Well, talk to you later.

I swear that wasn't there when i posted it! lol Oh well, where were you going to race?

granted this might just be some **** boy talking his trash

but if he is being serious and has done some things to the car being he only has about 1900 lbs to work with he doesn't need all that power you do to move the car that fast

can you put a car into the mid 13's with just 2000hp? prolly not but with a CRX it can be done


no weight to them remember that

WOW 2000 HP and u cant get into the 13's u need to bee shot.
J/M with ya.. Kick his *** with some good old sbc power.

we are supposely racing on route 9.... now if we ever do race ( he has canceled many times becuz of excuses). his car might be light but my torque will beat him badly. There is no replacement for displacement

ROFL

lol

I like this one better

never underestimate small cars
I met a guy with a dodge omni that runs 11s, totally stock exterior
license plate my48ur8
but yea if it just a ***** talking smack then he'll be dead
biker

lol thats pretty funnny

all he has is a header, no cat, fart tip, and th 1.6 DOHC non v-tec engine. Yeah hes lighter than me but that wont compisate for my larger displacement with more torque and top end.

torque doesn't win a race


yeah flame me for that


but you don't match your parts right

whole drivetrain to the rest of the car you are not going to do anything


you need what 240hp and 345lbs/ft to run mid 14s

while 200hp and around what 180-200lbs/ft would get a crx well into the 13s

now see it wasn't torque that won that would win that race
it was the little high wind motor with some really low gears, and light weight car... parts that match

and with all the weight he doesn't need to push down (well ok pull down) the track he doesn't need all that torque

no replacement for displacement is a crutch

you do NOT NEED BIG MOTOR to win race


there are other ways to do so


heck I would be willing to race you once I get my motor finished up and if all you have is what you said..... well b'bye

first off i never asked for your unwanted advice. Secondly you've never seen this car or been in it. And why are you posting in a third generation f-body message boards if you drive an import. ive been in his car before and its slow off the line and loses all its power at around 45 mph. So next time you feel like questioning my creditability, keep your comments to yourself. And maybe your using the idea of low weight plus a little four banger engine as a crutch. Get a life

Hey Tim notice how many posts rx7speed has. he's been on here a damn long time and he helps people with anything they need help with weather its whats this import got or how can i get my car to do this or what ever he is a import driver yes, he is not a ***** get it straight.



edit: there i fixed it

Only one way to make a lot of horsepower....move a lot of air, whether it be from a small displacement/high rpm motor or a large displacement/low rpm motor...same result, different method.

"1982chevycamaroz28: Hey Tim notice how many posts rx7speed has." Thats why i said get a life.


"1982chevycamaroz28: he is not a river get it straight." ?????

That's true. There is a car in England, I forgot the name, but it basically looks like a geo metro on steroids and looks ugly as sin, but it has over 300 bhp from the factory with a 1500 lbs body. Tell me that is potent. Look at the Lotus Elise - it puts the Mustang Cobra R to shame with it's now integra powered engine.

Was his name Mack?

Well first of all you did ask for advice by posting this thread. Then you told RX7Speed that his advice was not wanted. So were only allowed to tell you what you want to hear?

Anyways, they really don't have any way to tell you whether you will beat him or not, you don't even know what motor is in the car. Also you didn't mention until just now that you had actually been in the car and that it felt slow. Plus, you haven't told us anything about your car. We don't know what 350 is in it, how much power it has. For all we know it could be a stock 145hp 350, or a stock 250hp 350. Having new parts doesn't make the car faster either, unless the old parts were broken.

About the "torque doesn't win races" comment. I don't think this is completely true. This is just personal experience but when I raced my 165hp Cutlass (even heavier than a Camaro) against my friends 150hp Sunfire (very light I imagine) I beat him by about 1 car length. Now I raced him thinking I was gonna get beat. We raced from 50mph to 120mph. This was all top end so I thought his weight advantage and high reving 4 cylinder would edge me out. As soon as I punched it at 50 and dropped to 2nd gear i pulled half a car length until I shifted to 3rd then he was just hanging there doing the same speed as me. Once my engine got into top end again I was pulling away slowly again. btw I have 2.93 gears. My friends car runs fine and he knows how to drive too. He told me he just couldn't keep up, plain and simple and he thinks my car is awesome now.

i posted this to get constructive critismism. The key word being constructive, not to be put down. so you think what you want i could careless. the motor in his car is a 1.6 liter DOHC non v-tec, no other mods to the engine. So i guess i really don't know what motor he has. Being in the car wouldn't even matter anyway.
My car is a 350 with a 650 cfm q-jet carb. Hooker cat-back exhaust, new 700 r4 tranny, new 2500 torque converter, cragar ss rims, aluminum radiator, newer flywheel, and K&N filtercharger.

lets not start a flame war people, lets just drop everything. 86fbird350 just race him, if you win you win, and if you lose you lose, don't worry about it. and for my 2 cents I think you will beat him

I don't think that rx7speed's intent was to put down. Re-read his posts with a cool head.

Im racing him tonight(12/27) will post results. For allthose that doubted me..... well lets see what happens.

now that is a little better

also there are turbocharging and superchargin as well as nitrous

both of those add more air


so no displacement is not the only way

thank you nic

just saing you have a 350 doesn´t mean anything

and you are getting constructive critisism. listen to it don´t bash it just b/c you don´t like it

I agree


and if it is a stock motor CRX he prolly wouldn´t do a whole lot anyway but still read the rest of my comments b-c I have more to say about attitude

don´t think it was that anyone doubted you but instead are looking at your OTHER comments

you asked for advice I gave it. you just didn´t like it
why do I post here? I guess it is b-c I hate f-bodies and think imports are the only way to go . honest reason is just b/c I drive an import doesn´t automaticly change things in my head to where I think all domestic cars suck. I do not see the line of import vs domestic I see the line as being nice cars vs wannabe ****/trash whatever you want to call it. since a thirdgen is a car I do like and so I come here simple enough

my comments where not just all about his car alone but just the CRX in general. light car.... doesn´t need the power that a thirdgen does need. I´m not saying you won´t beat him but you seem to come here asking about would you beat him and I start to give some advice and you get upset... calm down a little bit.
also if you have ridden in his car and say it is so slow why even ask if you will beat him?

as for the displacement as a crutch I think nic covered that a little bit. torque is not the only way to make power and those who live by the no replacement for displacement generally use it as a crutch b-c they do not want or can not tune the motor correctly to use that smaller motor, and so bigger is better for THEM.... but if you tune the car right and match the car right it will beat just adding cubes almost everytime

as for torque but you can have 500lbs/ft in a car that weighs about 3500lbs... but then race a car that has 200lbs/ft in a car like a mini cooper at a whole 1000lbs... who would prolly win that? and now I admit that is a little oversimple. but winning a race doesn´t come from just pure torque alone but the combo of all parts put together

Rx7speed: i guess i jumped the gun a little on your comments and took them the wrong way . I raced him last night and won by about 3 1/2 car lengths. He had the head start because my tires spun into second .Then they gripped and i flew by him.

so what did he say after um um um um um i fergotz to shif

Nice Job...200!!! lol

hey it's cool

I admit I come off as harsh a lot of times and also being an import driver kinda get stereotyped as just some **** boy


but either way glad you won....

*** hates you...lmao..thats sooooo funny......any ways 86IROCNJ WHERE IN JACKSON DO YOU LIVE I WANNA RUN YOUR CAMARO WITH THE BERETTA........HEHE....I LIVE IN CREAMRIDGE...RTE 537

Heheh good kill.