I know nothing about hondas but a friend of mine says this one guy will be in the 12's saturday at the dragstrip. He sadi it has an integra gsr engine, a 60 shot of nos and slicks. I have never seen a honda run 12s and I highly doubt this one will, does anyone have an idea what it will run so I can put some money on it. Im assuming it is all stock other than that, he said it is completly stirped. They are so funny this one in thiere group took out all but the driver seat, the carpet, interior panels, door panels and this was after some ****ty import engine swap and he ran a 16.08. I just dont understand. SO any ideas what it might run would be great thanks.

 

i would think it would take about a 400 shot to get that car in the 12's.lol j/k

i really dunno man, but if that are his only mods, there is no way he will even come close..mods listed...low 15's and snapped axles due to the slicks

 

he claims with nitrous and the gsr it has 230 hp, he thinks that that magically puts imports in the 12s but i think your right, wrxs have 200 some hp and they run poor 15s

 

if it is that bad I think i should race him

 

230hp. maybe. 230rwhp lmao. or is it 230fwhp lmao. i would embarass the kid if i were you

 

oooooo, I hate Hondas. Tell him, that if he wants to do an engine swap, how about a REAL engine. Something Japanese? How about a Wankel, Supra engine, Subaru engine, or something Nissan.

I HATE Hondas.

 

Maybe a Mitsubishi engine. Did I mention that I hate Hondas?

 

man..you act like you hate hondas or something. wtf is your prob?

 

He's right, it probably did run 12's. What he didn't tell you was that it was only an 1/8 mile track.

 

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You know...this is all having an adverse effect on me. Someday, it's just going to make me sick. That's right.
I can see it now: The Cutlass: finished. I'm meeting up with some other cool car drivers. Maybe some of you guys. I'm standing there leaned up against the driver side door talking...and looking cool. A Honda Clown boy pulls up in his stupid raspberry-sounding Clownmobile, gets out, and instead of talking civilly, he starts the standard jibberish. Yes, it makes me sick. I keep a poker face about it, feign immense interest, and ask him to pop his hood. He complies and that's when I puke on his ****ing engine. A big freakin'puke here, folks. Built up over years of nauseating nonsense. And when I honk, his engine's just going to go all to pieces, you know that. Duct tape just won't stick on that texture. And he'll sue me and I'll have to get him another Honda engine out of a junkyard for 25 dollars or so. He can always lie and say it's a special engine....wait, he did that before.

Hey, if that guy wants to runs 12s, he needs to get something capable of it. Run 12s. Please. 12,000 miles maybe. Before he blows something.

OK, that's enough for now, I think.

 

ok, my buddy has a friend. this guy took his prelude, put in some japanese engine, new transmission, 100 shot of n20, and twin turbos, stripped the hell out of it, and ran a 12.4......after like 70 grand

i think your civic friend is missing a couple of things......one of them being a brain

as far as i'm concerned, it's complete ......i think you can bet the farm on this one

 

lol!! good one..

 

That's right. You bet your farm, he'll bet his trailor....ok, maybe that was uncalled for....sorry. I have friends that live in trailor parks....I've lived in trailors...

 

Thanks for the help yall, I think ill have to put some real money on this race. Thanks for all the input.
Abel Kane : I thought you were talking about a traior to bring his car to the track at first that would be great, I love when the hondas come in trailors and you think they might acually be fast and there gors the 15.3s I love it

 

have you seen what some of those morons do to their cars? they CANT be street driven. i got on the highway behind a civic that had its springs cut so low that it was bottoming out and sending up sparks from the exhaust......but ill bet he had sweet handling

 

very good abel kane,

the puke thing, that sounds like something i would do lol.

this is not an isolated to honda problem either. ive raced this kid up at new england dragway about 5000000000 times. its (used to be) a 3000gt.....NOT a vr4.

its like a hugger orange color with some crappy pearl to it, looks like an orange sherbert. anyways i just leisure push the car down to about a 12.9 on the first pass i ever ran against him....and he ran a 15.1 i think.

so afterwards, i get out of my car in the pit area and decide to go get a drink and let the car cool off for a bit before making anymore passes.

so i come back to the car with my drink and this ridiculous disney world hat that my buddy dared me to wear all night....the orange sherbert car is next to mine and there are about 75 puerto rican guys tearing apart the whole top end lol.

so im like whats this thing run? the kids like 12's.....i was like thats what i just did....weird...something was wrong though, just like every wed and fri at NED and it didnt run right. this happens every week twice a week all summer lol.

so i walk over yo the camaro, open the hood....look around puzzled for a second, then shrug and close the hood....then i walked back up to the bleachers to hang out with some buddies while i drank my $1500 NED 1oz coke.

as im walking away, the sherberts obligatory groupie chick says, "how come he doesnt have to fix anything?" i just laughed and kept walkin

 

Heh heh heh....Beautiful..."Why doesn't he have to fix anythin?"


"The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind" Bob Dylan

 

LoL! Great story 383backinblack

 

you are all welcome for the entertainment....

and i would like to cordially invite all of you to come up to NED on any wed for fri night in epping NH to have your own very similar experience.....

the **** abounds up there and gets handily romped on all night long......

occasionally we go up in the tower, and get a hold of the mic.....then we rank on every retardmobile that pulls to the line.....like the legendary (i think at one time it was a subuaru) x-15 fire eagle.......ahhh the joy of summer

 

it coulda been the disney world hat that jinxed the mexicans

 

and you have what against mexicans? if your illiterate *** couldn't read NEWBIE , it said puerto ricans not mexicans so I suggest you edit that post....AARON

 

A guy I work with has an Honda Acord with Dyno'd 213hp at the wheels. He did one run with it at that setup and it was low 14's, he has since added 3 more pounds of boost "now at 8pounds" and punched the motor. Hasnt been redyno'd yet but he's hoping for at least 265hp at the wheels and to at least get into the 13's. So your buddy there is touched if he thinks he will run 12's.

Only problem i got now is he wants to race me With what I was running last summer, he would smoke me but since the new mods no clue if i will come even close to beating him or straight out toast him, maybe I should post my own thread asking soon as i got time.

 

and you have what against puerto ricans?

 

chill B

 

one problem your forgetting

honda accord has a lot more weight on it then the hatchback civic do. the accord is about 3000-3200 lbs the civic hatch is about 2200 lbs max

another thing is driver error. since I have seen ppl run 14's with the LS1 does that mean all ls1 are slow...no a lot of it is driver error so using times with the accord doesn't mean much being he might have fubared the launch which is easy to do in a FWD car. missed a shift, shifted too early or to late, lots of things.

the hatch back civic at most with all the options fully decked out car weighs in at 2200lbs


they made them stock depending on options down to 2000lbs


if he really does have the GSR motor that should put him around 195hp I think

which at the 2200lb range puts him at 11.28lbs per hp without the nitrous

just for arguements sake taking 3300lb car with the 92 l98 f-bod motor that puts this car at 13.4lb per hp


these cars are light and stock they aren't they great with I think 110hp comming outta the hood but IF he did put a GSR motor in there it would be something to watch out for.

looking up see if I can find info for a GSR motor for ya guys so you can call BS on him if he really isn't running the GSR

 

lol i didnt mean you, i just dont understand how when i typed my post fast before i went to bed and said mexicans it somehow makes things worse

 

i agree that honda is nowhere near 12s, but i hope your 86 isnt anywhere near stock either, those cars arent exactly blazing fast either.

 

if the dude can drive, really has a GSR, really has nitrous, and has stripped the car he might be low 13's to high 12's with the slicks.

but a lot of that is driver and axles plus is he telling the truth


I do want to hear the results of his run though if at all possible

 

i'm in total agreement with rx7speed, if hes up and up it can be done.

 

I would not race him as of now, I am currently in a 350 swap. I have a 350 that should have 425 hp and a 150 shot and 3.73s I plan on having it done this summer, since my car isnt drivable right now I cant race him yet but i did bet $50 that he wont get in the 12's when he runs it. This is a 19 year old kid that has just got the car, I dont think he is going to be capable of getting in the 12s but I will let you all know when I see it.

 

wow, the ignorance in here is so thick you can cut it with a knife... no wonder import guys hate us.

i'll admit, when i first came here, i didn't think it was possible for a honda to run lower than a 14. but after checking out some import boards, there are plenty of guys there (not nearly as many as domestics) hitting low 13's and 12's. i'm not saying all of them are, in fact there's a lot of ignorant people on those boards, but you'd be surprised. with an import, if you spend money in the right places, you can easily run 12's.

a more powerful engine in an extremely light car can get some quick passes.

now, in no way am i saying i love imports and i'm gonna sell my camaro and get a civic hatch. i'm just saying, some of you guys need to remove the blindfolds.

oh, if you do swap in that 425 hp 350, you should have no problem.

 

can they do it? yes is this guy doing it? nope, i doubt it.....

and EASILY run 12's? nope on that one too.

it can be done but its about twice as hard as doing it with a RWD car with a much larger engine

 

It takes a stripped car, and a LOT of money for a honda to do that, and I mean a LOT. I've read up on some of them also and seen some import tuner shows on Speed Channel for laughs. And they have to spend a fortune to get where an American V8 pumpin' raw horse power can do no problem.

Yes, it is possible for them to do it....no you probably wont find one on the street. Only with the full race setup are these guys getting them down to 12's and very few (bank buster or sponsors) 10's-11's

 

ignorance by that statement

ok a lot of the guys you are watching on speed channel and all that are **** shows. not real import tuning. sure it might cost them a lot of money to put there car down the track in the 12's but then again if you listen the above comment by lyv18f "if you put your money into the right places you can run 12's"
the guys on your "import tuning" show on speed channel doesn't do that they spend the money on the wrong stuff. sure they want to go faster but they don't do it the right way but rather on everything else.... then motor mods.

also as far as being full race setup being down into the 12's and you have to have sponsors or a bank buster to get any lower then that, again that is an ignorant comment.
one friend here is running 12.8 on stock suspension daily driver.
he is using the stock turbo with upgraded internals running 15 psi on 92 octane, stock motor, a used FMIC, an MSD ignition, haltech and larger injectors not much else if I remember right... do you call that full race only?

another guy locally should be running (if he gets the launch right) in the 11's
same mods only difference is his FMIC is a little larger and he has a t-60

those are just two cars but others have done it also be it any car maker, honda,mazda, nissan, or toyota.

sure it might be a little harder to do with a smaller motor but tha is why you see a lot of imports putting forced induction on there cars. sure sure now if I put a supercharger on my v8 lets race then..... well untill you put it on there quit making that r<x>ice boy excuse. sure it will make more power buty ou don't have it.




and back to the topic though
this guy might just bs you I can't say. don't know haven't looked at his car.
but stock civic hatch with a GSR can run 13's on the stock motor.
add I/H/E for some basic mods and he might be on the low end of 13's and the 60 shot of nitrous with slicks would prolly put him over the edge


BUT AGAIN THIS IS BEING HE CAN DRIVE AND HE IS NOT PULLING

ie he pulls you have nothing to worry about

 

I was at the grocery store today looking at magazines and I caught a glimpse of an import magazine and on the cover was something about a guy trying to be the first to get an all motor honda into the 9's. If it takes everything they got to get it into the 9's I doubt he'll be running 12's! My friend has an Eclipse he's dumped something like $8,000 in it and only runs 12's in the 1/8th. Just my 2 cents.

 

first "honda" has been in the 8's
granted it is a tube frame but he is there


and they have a turbo honda in the 1's fully stock looking as well


read up a little more guys before you bash something

EDIT: just hit me your friend has an eclipse that runs 12's in the 1/8 mile and he dumped 8 grand on it... either your friend dump 8 grand on nothing but body work and stickers or you have no clue what you are talking about there... 12 seconds in the 1/8 would put the car at around stock OR WORSE... I run the 1/8 in 10.4 seconds and the 1/4 at around 16.01 with very very little money into my car right now



again read up and quit just bashing before you say anything. if you don't they aren't going to look like the fool but someone else will... not trying to be mean but honest.

 

You're right - I messed up - that was what he was running stock. After mods it is high 10's. - not too much of that was body, just a wing. I wasn't bashing either, I was just saying I doubt it's running that fast. I know it's possible, I just have my doubts. I know a lot of guys that talk all sorts of s**t but when they get to the track they have nothing at all. That goes for imports as well as domestics. Also, I didn't read the article, I just saw the cover. Maybe I'm wrong. I'll just keep my mouth shut . . .

 

a good example of spending money in the wrong places...

a guy that posts on a honda board is running a 10.77 with a 5.0 mustang (i'm not too sure about all the modifications he made though). he's a really nice guy.

he says that it took him like 13-15k to get into the 10's. however, he bought some parts when he started modding, and then upgraded them. so he probably wasted 5 or 6 thousand dollars on his way to 10's.

 

My problem is: WHY?????

I firmly believe in freedom of choice. Do what you want to do. But the guys that get on my nerves are the ones that dump 70k into a car that MAY be SOMEWHAT faster than my 15k project, and run around calling all other cars "CRAP". I mean- COME ON. My engine has seen at least 300k. And when it's finished, it'll probably see even more. Will theirs? Probably not. Because in nearly every case, performance deducts slightly from lifespan. In a Honda's case, SEVERELY. Pumping as much nos through it as they can, winding it as far as it can go-which is really too far. If they were smart, they would just sacrifice a litle performance--ok, in their cases, it may be a lot--and get a good rev limiter and maybe not use as much nos. Take it easier. But that won't happen. All those Hondas that you see in the junkyards are going to get some company.

I just thought of something. Honda has this big name for reliability and durability, right? Well, then, how come 90% of the Hondas I see are puking all kinds of fumes and running like crap? Why is it that when I look around in my salvage yard of choice that all of the Hondas don't have really high mileage? I remember a 199k and a 245k...Acceptable, but NOT impressive. Especially for a 4 cylinder.

 

rx7speed you are a jackass, don't call me ignorant because the mass majority of these cars are crap. Sure people can put stuff in there and make them fast, but we're talking about the riced racers in this thread...like the one he raced...not the smart ones that actualy build them to be fast.

Which is exactly what I was refering to such as on speed channel, all those are riced out crap.

Leave your useless "this is ignorant" BS at the door and get that bug out of your ***

 

rx has been here longer than me or you. every time i see him post, he seems to be dispelling ignorant bs and setting things straight. he is definitely an asset to this board.

and how do you know that the car he raced is a piece? did you see it? were you at the track when it ran a bad time?

i'm just saying, chill out, no need for name calling

 

No, I didn't see it obviously, but the character of the guy fits the r!cer just right.

I don't care who has seniority, the fact remains he said I was ignorant, which means he did the "name calling" first.

This is a good tech site, but it sure isnt a good site for posting your views. Which I know some of you who always seem to bring it up that it is first a tech site, Jim Dandy!

But I see no reason why it can't be a site to simply post on vehical related sibjects.

And quite frankly I completely object to being called ignorant. While my real racing jap crap car knowledge isnt as grand as his, as he so loves to point out. The fact is, the majority of these cars out there are not worth the effort. And many of you would agree.

For now on I'll try to keep my views to myself since its obviously not accepted or worth trying to give on these forums. For all I care they can lock out all the "crap" and keep it a tech only forum, as it seems almost every thread has some dude on his high horse.

 

hehe I noticed I messed up to

said a stock looking turbo civic was running in the 1's

ooooops now we all know that is

 

it's not that your viewpoint isn't welcome on the board. views and opinions are one thing. but what you did wasn't based on opinion but rather fictional based facts.





I'm going to take your comment one more time and break it down and show that not all of it is just a view but based on false facts as I said.

sure it might cost more then a v8 depending on which route you go but it isn't like it's going to cost you an arm and all three of your legs to build one. a lot of the import cost so much money comes from the r<x>ice boys buying the parts or people who don't know what they are talking doing just that.... talking.also as far as the stripped comment I have seen quite a few runing 13's or less NOT STRIPPED


read above comment. you watch r<x>ice boys spend the money and they are going to spend a lot of it. once again not a view but false fact

have seen it before and being a daily driver with my own eyes.... again false fact for you

that is why the ignorant comment came out
not because I hate you, mad at you, or anything else but came because of one thing... the stuff you said was based fully on things that where not true. I could care less if you hate honda's o any jap car for that matter. who cares if you don't like them we are all allowed our own opinions but what was being done is not disliking the car but spreading false things about it.
I haveseen many thirdgens running 13's and they need to be trailored to the drag strip. you never see them on the roads. does that mean any thirdgen though is full race ready if he runs 13's or less? no and by watching people on this board you can see that.

and the first post on this board was about someone who might not be calling BS. sure he might be a r<x>icer but I can't say that being I have no clue who he is.
second about the r<x>ice comment you where saying stuff about all imports/hondas it sounded like not just r<x>ice boys.


and how do I live up to the r<x>ice boy name?
cause I try to dispell things being said that aren't true?

 

I have to agree with you on this stuff here, there are a lot of kids that i have to chuclke at with stock civics with altezas and a muffler that think they have the fastest car in the world. But there ate many with turbos, and n20 a I do resect that crowd. I just wonder if the american cars in japan go through the same stuff, I can only wonder

 

Well what I knew was the mostly all the info I've ever heard about jap cars. I dont look a whole lot into those cars because I'd be happy to not see any.

Fine, I posted more then I should have about the cars being as I'm lacking in knowledge, or ignorant by you. That of which is a strong cut-down where I'm from. And I wish to not be refered as.

You may have some fast jap cars in your area. But I've yet to see a single fast one in my area, so thats what I based it off of. Good for your that you have more guys into speed rather then r!ce, because thats all we have. It pisses me off when I see those stupid cars, so yeah I'm going to be bull-headed on the subject of them.

Next time you correct someone, try not to be so damn blunt that you're so more correct, its a good way to get on someones bad side.

 

I dont know about American cars in Japan, 1986z28, but I've heard that in Japan you can't have a vehical that can outrun the cops on the street or it can get impounded. And no rx7 I dont know if this is fact. But its what I've heard and I thought it was interesting if it is true.

We've got some with n20 around here, but some arnt even real, they just put the bottle in and pop in stickers, sometimes just stickers. And the only ones with turbos are ones that are stock, like on Eagle Talons and Eclipses, but I see the camaros, mustangs, and the other typical racing cars beating them.

A friend of mine has a Talon and he got his butt handed to him by a stock mustang only mods are filter, wheels, and clear tailights that he gets pulled over for a few times a month. We know the guy. I don't know what stock Talons run, but he couldnt beat him.

 

I wonder why people keep telling me I shouldn't be so blunt

I do it cause taking the long tactfull route was too long of a thing to do so I just get straight to the point.


sorry if the ignorant comment hit a nerve. that wasn't my intention.

as for the altezza's and all that... please don't speak of them I have already puked once today would rather not do it again

 

Appology accepted.

Atleast I know I should have my facts straight before I go making posts on these forums...most I run across are in the same boat I am. So from my position, what I said is what I knew.

Every time I see one of those on the street I get this funny feeling like I'm going to