i posted this in the organized drag section but i felt it would get more response here. well?? do you think i can?? i am running 373 gears now with a p255 tire. i believe i can since my motor is 330 horsepower on the motor alone.

sorry of the topic but i love this picture

 

I'd say yes, not all LS1's are running 12.9's-13.20's.

Dude if you wanna make that already nice car nicer, IMO you should get the IROC grill with the driving lights or the 91-92 Z28 grill with the lights.

 

i am considering it. couple of questions though??

where to get it from(i know there a lot of places!)
how much??
i know it can't be any harder than installing an ss hood by yourself kudos to me
how do the lights hook up

 

It is really easy to change!! Take a few screws out, put the other in place and put them back in, thats all. You can get the grill from the dealer or places like Classic Industries for around $45 new. Or you can use eBay, or places like Thirdgenparts or our other sponsors. You don't have to get the lights, but if you want them (looks better with the lights, IMO) they are expensive (I think about $50 each) and I don't know how to wire them up, but just ask on the B/I board and they will tell you. It will nicely improve the looks.

IROC-Z28 grill: CAMARO in silver
91-92 Z28: Chevrolet BowTie in red

 

yeah i think your car has what it takes to take out an LS1..

 

I'd say your good to go man. Like twentygr8 said not all LS1's run 12's and 13's. I watched one run 14.20 one night at the track. Depends on the car and the driver, but, I think you got it. Good luck!

 

i think that you might just be able to take out some ls1's. definetly get the bowtie grill. If i was you i wouldnt spend a lot of money on the driving lights. go to walmart and buy a set of "blazer" driving lights. they are almost identical to the lights that GM sells, and they are only 20 bucks for everything. the wiring is very easy, the lights come with instructions on how to do it.

 

anyone ever tried to fit one of those "bowtie" grills into an earlier 3rd gen? id like to put one on my 84' Z28, but im not sure it will fit

 

if the ls1 driver cant drive then you might, if he can then you will lose

 

I second that.

I dyno'd 315rwhp stock, which is around 360bhp. The difference is between ours and your motor is these run out of steam around 6k, where as the GM motor(if you haven't done any work on it) will be out of breath a little sooner. I haven't seen a dyno graph of your motor, but I have over 300ft/lb from 2800-6200 so it pulls pretty hard anywhere in the rpm band.

Then again, not everyone is a great driver. So catch someone by suprise and you very well could take them..

 

exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

wont fit

 

i bought a bow tie grill at a swap meet yesterday for 5 bucks , yeah man , u should be able to take most stock ls1s

 

As I said in the other post there is virtually no way the stock 330hp Vortec crate motor will put down the kind of rear wheel numbers a stock LS1 does (lets just go with the average of 300rwhp). No way. We can talk about the 14.2 freakish slow run some bubba ran, or we can talk about what it would take to beat them consistently. You need a cam (stocker is puny), and a hotter intake (assuming you have the GM vortec intake) to have a shot IMO. A mild Vortec 350 can make 360-375hp as plenty of magainze build up articles have proven. It would still be extremely close at that point however I think your 3.73s could give you the edge if power is close enough...

 

he's right

 

Still - if you aren't right on thier tail now, you're well on you're way. I would do some valvetrain work as said earlier.

 

I can run low 16's right now and I beat an LS1


if they dump the clutch from an idle and stall the car you can beat it easily


a lot of it is just driver


so you have a chance

 

low 16's and you beat an ls1, and 'alot' of it is just driver? i'd say all of it was driver in that case:sillylol: but really.. I believe I could go from 1st straight to 4th and pull around a high 15 or 16.. it's probably a safe bet that the driver you raced wasn't actually racing or doesn't know the difference between the brake and gas peddle. Not picking on you or your car at all, but there is a HUGE difference between a 13sec time and 16sec time.

 

Damn dude I think our cars are clones. I have a 350HO, weld pro stars and 3.73's as well

I would say you definately have a shot at 4th gen LS1's. People talk about LS1's as if every LS1 car dynos at least 300 rwhp. I know plenty of people stock down at 290 rwhp with M6's, and with stock gearing in stock form most only go mid to high 13's. People forget that stock doesnt mean an exhaust and whisper lid, stock means stock. Auto LS1's dyno even less due to drivetrain loss. I think it would be a good race for you. Also, I would bet money your car weighs less than an LS1 car. I have no fiberglass on my car, simply swapping motors and ditching smog, cruise, a/c and the usual stuff put my car at 3030 pounds. Btw, what do you think of your 2400 stall? I run a 3000 stall and I love it.

Seth

 

pok so it was ALL driver on his part


when he tried to take off all I saw was the car buck forward and then just dead stop

I would guess he stalled it with how it looked


brake gas mixed up could have been.... or he just dumped from an idle???
who knows

 

i love my 2400 stall. i was thinking of going higher but with my car's setup and me being a daily driver i felt this was more to my needs. how do you like that 3000. what does it drive like??

 

yea i guess it was a stall. way to make him look and feel like a moron in any case

 

The key is beating LS1s consistently. You're acting like 300rwhp bone dead stock is rare. It isn't. The average dyno is indeed 300rwhp, some more, some less. You need to aim to beat the average and then some unless all you care about beating are the bottom of the barrel freak slow LS1s... Then if you want to factor in bolt on LS1 cars you really need some serious power...

 

If a 98+ f body dyno's less than 300rwhp or doesn't trap higher than ~103, the general consensus is that it's a lemon, driver error excluded of course. I read though countless threads at ls1.com almost every day, and I can say it's probably pretty accurate to say probably 1 out of 20 cars dynos less than 300rwhp.300-310 is most common, while some are around 315 and very few reach 320, all completely stock.

Auto's have slightly more drivetrain loss, but they pull the same et's and mph on average as comparable m6's.. I think the DT loss is negligable.

Curious, what was the weight of your car stock? I thought 3rd gens were ~3400 w/out driver. That kicks *** though your only at 3k lbs, wish i was oh well, just gotta get more power i guess

 

Go in the Tech Data and find a weight chart for unoptioned F-Bodies in 87.

 

you have any underhood pics? do you have a diff. engine or just alot of perf. parts?

 

once again very true

 

I love my 3000 stall. I get great traction too. If i drove my car a lot i would say a 3000 is a little too big tho, 2400 is probably about right. But i drive my car solely for fun, so a 3000 is perfect

 

Very good point.

 

I would imagine my car was around 3300-3400 pounds stock, somewhere in there. I hope to have my car below 3000 pounds with a glass hood, aluminum water pump, aluminum heads and a mini starter.

Seth

 

i have plenty. it is a brand new gmperformance parts 350 ho deluxe. you can find it on their website. that is why i think i can beat them. i built my car up pretty good i think. i never doubt my power. i was just curious.

 

Looks nice.

 

I guess it is possible for you to beat an ls1. however if i was driving the ls1 you really don't have a prayer in hell of winning.

 

Yeah you can beat some of them, but watch out when they start doing simple modifications, they'll eat you alive. A friend of mine was running 12.18 on stock engine with just boltons and a 3200 Vigillante converter last year and 11.51 on a 100 shot. This year his goal is to hit high tens on a stock engine. I don't know if he'll get it, probably low 11's. Most of my other friends are running mid to low 13's in stock or near stock form.

Martin

 

Doubt you can beat one(no offense)..I also own a 99 ls1 6speed z
and now mine might have been freakishly fast but it went 12.71 @109.95 on a 1.91 60ft bone stock!!Even stock auto cars once broke in run in the 13.0-13.2 range...But i wish you luck

 

Sorry man but thats I own an LS1 as well and if you went 12.71 stock then you have the worlds fastest stock f body ever. The fastest ever time for a stock f body is 12.8 something. The guy is a very well known guy and a lot of people know him. 12.71, hahahaha, get real man. :lala: :lala:

 

Perhaps your 99 LS1 has some mods you don't know about if you weren't the original owner? Could have an aftermarket MAF, airlid etc that you didn't notice... Certainly wouldn't take much to get a 12.7 if it was one of the faster LS1s stock, but that is just a bit too fast, in fact that may be the fastest stock LS1 claim I've seen anywhere on standard tires.

Evan Smith ran a 99 I think it was stripper Z to a best time of 12.89 at Englishtown (one of the fastest tracks around) in perfect 60 degree weather conditions. You've nearly beat that time by 2 tenths with your 12.71 claim....

 

You need to read more on the ls1 boards if you think thats bs..I said mine ran a lil better than most..but not uncommon for a good running one to get high 12s..Sorry dude i cant help it if your ls1 is slow..I know Evan Smith has gotten plenty of Ls1 in the 12.70-80s
stock..Mine ran that on a 45 degree day in perfect conditions..It is consistately in the 12.8-12.9 range depending on traction or weather.Not saying im Evan Smith ..But i do ok..

 

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