I have never posted in this part of the forum, and I'm too lazy to update my sig so I'll list my mods now.

6,000 miles on a rebuilt 305 with a "B4C" tpi. Don't really know if that includes bigger injectors, but oh well take it for what it's worth lol.

Gutted MAF, K&N's, Crane cam (unsure of grind), 3.23 gears, new mandrel bent y-pipe, thunder jet 3" exhaust with a cut-out before the cat.

Anyways, before I get any lip for this, I was not around when this motor was built, and I did not buy it from the guy who built it. It was in a 87 B4C when I bought it, so I do not know the exact specifications to the parts inside the ol' motor. All I know is I've been putting a hurting down on 5 speed Iroc's and I pulled two stock 350's by 1 1/2 car lengths, give or take some.


My cousin bought a 92? Mustang 5.0 with a stick last summer. Last night I finally had a chance to line up with him...

We lined up at a set of lights, they turned green and he got about a half car length jump on me, but before I hit 2nd I was already back to dead even, shifting into 2nd I started to pull away and I had about a car length on him, running through 3rd he pulled me just alittle but couldn't get any closer.


So, I pretty much considered this a fluke win, so I decided to see how I would contend with him from a roll, we were going around 30 mph and I let him get a slight jump and I stayed right at his bumper and we were almost dead even, I was inching forward but not enough to claim I have way more power.

Oh well, I was impressed, seeming that I only paid $1,000 for the entire wrecked 87 B4C with 6,000 on rebuild.

I just purchased those BF Goodrich Drag Radials that are slick in the middle with treads on the outsides that are supposed to be street legal. They are 255/50/16's. With my Firestone Firehawks I have been king of the whole shot, and I find myself beating a lot of faster cars light to light because of the mean launches I get with these street tires. I can't wait to see how the new BF's will hook. This spring I will get some slips on this motor too.

 

nice showing the stangs ware its at i alwase love hearing about another stang getting toasted. but then again ill give the stang a little bit of credit for giving up a little bit of a fight in the beginning.

 

What mods are on the Mustang? Nice kill too, and depending on his mods, you may have a very fast car!

 

nice kill.

 

good runs!

 

Man you got a B4C and you dont even know what that is ... the horror!!! Nah just joking hehe. The B4C was the police package avaliable from the factory. The motor in a B4C car is exactly the same as the Z28/IROC, the only difference being a higher amp alternator. The B4C package (aka 1LE) included upgrades to your brakes, suspension, and other drivetrain/suspension parts. The B4C package was the only way to get 1LE specs and Air Conditioning. The B4C package is rare.

Nice kill!! Nice car!!

 

Maybe I missed something but I thought the B4C option wasn't available until '91.

Anyway, nice kill!

 

The only mods I know about the Mustang were headers & flowmaster exhaust. Next time I see him I'll ask him specifics.

I don't have a B4C car....The block is a 305, but the tpi, sensors, chip, blahblah blah came from a B4C car.

I get my new tires Wednesday...heh I'm really excited to see what these tires will give me for some extra bite.

Swap that stupid peanut cam & any little 305 will hold its ground.

 

The Chevy 305 could never hold a candle to the Ford 302. Chevrolet had to use a 350 just to keep pace with the REAL 5.0!

 

Actually the 5-speed LB9s held their own pretty good, but after mods the 302 is better by design. GM had a 302 also in the 60s and it was just as good as the Ford one. The 305 is not a true performance motor by design!

 

And besides, doesn't the ford 302 equal like 4.9 something!! Yeah....the real 5.0. Hahhah.

 

The same as Chevys 302! Nothing worng with a 4.9 but do you really want people to think of a 305 when they hear of a 5.0L?

 

No I wouldn't. I'm not saying you don't have a point. But to say that the ford 302 is the real 5.0 is an oxymoron because of the fact thats its not even a 5.0. The chevy 302 was nothing special. It was just another small block combo that was offered (essentially anyway....I won't get into its purpose for displacement classes and whatnot). The ford 302 (the more recent ones that we here of more often) have a lot more to offer (high nickel content blocks, roller cams, forged slugs in the 90's and the so on and so forth). The 305 is a smog era motor and everyone knows that. No need to down it. Its purpose wasn't to go fast, but more likely to embarass the owner .

 

Wherever or whomever you got this "so called '87 B4C" is full of They never even made the B4C until 1991. Now the TPI setup may have come on a '91 or '92 B4C and the owner transferred it to an '87. B4C production numbers as follows:

1991=592
1992=589

And NO there were no flukes, prototypes, one offs, concepts. Only B4C production for 3rd gen was in 1991 and 1992 period. What you bought was probably some kind of entry level Camaro or IROC. Sorry to get so personal on this but I hate false claims, and a lot of people on these boards with any knowledge of the 3rd Gen will back me up.

 

I apoligize for the rash statements of my previous post, I see you noticed it was not a B4C. Good luck and win some more races!

 

Chevy's 302 was designed for trans am racing. It was a 327 with a 283's crank which allowed for a 4 inch bore and a 3 inch stroke. That combination made it very easy to rev due to the short stroke. That engine could produce gobs of power and rev like crazy hence why it was so good for trans am racing. In my opinion, the 302 was one of Chevy's greatest engines ever produced.

 

I've actually heard of g92 305 camaro or birds runnin high 14's so they can hold there own pretty well against 5.0's. But than again whats a stang run?

 

A stang should go 14.5-14.9 bone stock. Then when you mod the design of the 302 helps it out, but yes the 5-speed 305s were pretty fast stock!

 

Wow u been watchin motor trend

 

Man what is your problem seriously? Some people actually have a certain amount of knowledge of cars. I come from a family with a long history of muscle cars and I know a thing or two about the old school engines. I didnt learn my knowledge from Motor Trend. I was simply stating what I know about the Chevy 302 engine, I mean damn you have a serious problem with people actually knowing what they are talking about. If you think what I said was wrong then correct me, if not then shut up!

 

You mean its not the bore of a 350 and the stroke of a 265

 

ur right, the 327 and the 350 both have the same bore anyways. My bad I am corrected. Thank you. Still a 4 inch bore and a 3 inch stroke though. But hold on, no wait I am not wrong, so I take that back, lol. The 265 and the 283 both have the same 3 inch stroke so really we are both right.

 

I didnt say u were wrong i come from a family thats always workin on old cars also. My dad restores old cars for a living he has his own shop and i work with him. So thats kewl

 

well this thread is now crappy, and i dont understand why you titled it "beat up a...." didnt sound like a beating to me....

 

Uh because it's embarassing to a nice GT that GM's patheticly designed 305 had enough snot to inch by it at WOT?

 

25THRSS was right. The Chevy 302 was a great engine and could definetly be considered 1 of the best ever, but not more than the SBC 350 obviously. Just so you know the 302 Z28 won more races/championships in its class in SCCA than any other car, a record still unmatched. It also took out pretty much all the big blocks that were around then by all the companies, even Chevy's BBC's such as 396 SS's. While they had more TQ, HP was incredibly underrated on the 302. It was meant for real racing after all.

 

I know you're not implying the stock 302 Zs could take out the hot 396 SS cars... Perhaps you didn't mean for drag racing, but you mention the 396 SS cars and they were never setup for road racing... My dad had both purchased new, a 67 SS with the 375hp 396 and a 69 Z. The SS ran the 1/4 around a half second faster (mid-high 12s vs low 13s) when they were both nearly stock (both had traction bars, 8 inch "cheater" slicks, and some carb tweaking). Also, according to him the high strung nature of the 302 made it a dog for street driving, where as the 396 had power everywhere you could want it...

 

The 302 was designed purely designed for the trans am series road racing. You could buy a 302 Z28 off the show room floor and take it to a road course and be competitive right off the bat. Those cars had a redline of like 6 grand from the factory, but the engine would rev and make power well up to about 8,000 rpm. The only reason chevy put the redline at 6 k was because the weak 4 speed trannys couldnt handle the stress of high rpm's. The 302 could take out many a big block cars. That engine was just purely awesome! And IROCZTWENTYGR8 was right. I'm not sure exactly what chevy rated them at, I think it was in the high 200 hp range, but it was more like high 400 hp range from the factory.

 

Not to mention a 1969 DZ 302 Z28 fetches a real good price nowadays.

 

Yeap, kinda sux cause I wouldnt mind having one myself, would be a real sweet car to own!

 

Yup. Stock for stock the 302 would eventually outrun the BBC's. That high RPM HP was just too much. I've heard many cases completely opposite from owners than yours. Except that the TQ of the SS was more fun while street driving. Fact is SS's were 14Sec. cars that couldn't handle or brake like the Z28's and were usually slower in the 1/4 Mile. Check out this link for even some tests from back then, 67-69: http://corvettegold.com/musclecars.htm Any 1st Gen is alot now, and any 302 Z28 is the most expensive, besides the COPO ZL1, which was also really underrated by GM. Z28 is the Camaro legend afterall.

 

The 375hp 396 was a completely different beast than the other 396s.

Did you look at the website you linked too? The year 69 link is the only one I saw with times for the 375hp 396 Camaro SS and the 302 Z. The 69 Z28 ran 14s, the 375hp 396 ran a 13.00 from the link you provided... In the other two years where they list the Z28, but no times for the 375hp 396 the Z28 doesn't not come close to besting the 396s 13.00...

They obviously didn't run that Z28 hard enough in the 69 tests (launch it like you hate it hardcore to get a decent time with that 302...) and that is not a realistic time, but it's still not gonna take out the 375hp 396. That 396 motor was underrated like crazy (425hp rating in the Vette the year before and that was supposedly underrated). That and trying to test either car in true factory stock form with the tires skinnier than Kias come with now doesn't yeild very good times to gauge either car's real potential...

My dad had both cars, and drove them both at the dragstrip with decent tires. There is no way the 302 Z28 was taking out that 375hp 396 SS... It was a solid half second slower thereabouts both with the same set of tires, and traction bars as the only mods.

Now maybe if you mean on a road course, then yeah the Z takes it. But since barely anyone drives their street car around road race tracks, and standing start drag races were the test on the street, I'd say the Z28 clearly was not the king of the streets... King of the track? Yeah clearly.

And the 302 was rated at 290hp at like 5200 rpm. Obviously a laughable rpm to claim the hp at for that motor.

BTW, The SS ended up going best of 12.1x's with cold air, headers, and carb tweaking. Still on the 8 inch "cheater" slicks (basically like a drag radial type tire, had some tread) that didn't let it launch as hard as it could have. He didn't keep the 69 Z28 for all that long, got rid of it for a 70 or 71 Judge I think it was.

 

Either way, ide still rather have the 302, awesome motor in my opinion. By far better engineered that the 396 and would handle on rails. Like I said, it was a showroom stock racecar.